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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Nov 10, 2010 22:58:48 GMT -5
How the hell did the Jazz become Raven's FLock? Can't understand. They are the most clean cut good guys in the league. Damn they have been awesome the last week. Now if they can play an entire game I will be really impressed. Jazz - Raven's flock (solid mid-card team that has long featured a bunch of dirty white guys (Stockton, Hornacek, Korver, Kirilenko, Okur); close to realizing the 'main event' picture but something keeps holding them back; possesses a seven-foot tall guy in their squad)
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 10, 2010 23:12:56 GMT -5
How the hell did the Jazz become Raven's FLock? Can't understand. They are the most clean cut good guys in the league. Damn they have been awesome the last week. Now if they can play an entire game I will be really impressed. Jazz - Raven's flock (solid mid-card team that has long featured a bunch of dirty white guys (Stockton, Hornacek, Korver, Kirilenko, Okur); close to realizing the 'main event' picture but something keeps holding them back; possesses a seven-foot tall guy in their squad) That works.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 10, 2010 23:47:16 GMT -5
Chris Jericho beat Bobby Eaton in a nail bitter.
Also, is it just me, or is Russell Westbrook as good as Kevin Durant is? This is the second time this season that I know both Durant and Westbrook scored the same amount of points. Tonight it was 31 apiece, the other game was 28 apiece.
I swear if they keep this up, it'll be a travesty for Westbrook and Durant to not be on the All-Star team together. Durant's pretty much a lock for the team, but Westbrook totally deserves to be there as well.
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Nov 11, 2010 0:04:03 GMT -5
You think you can make that judgment about a team whose entire roster was essentially overturned from last year and has played 8 games? Seems a bit hurried. Last night's Heat / Jazz game showed that if a guy has the best night of his life and makes more 3 pointers than he has in his entire career that a very good team can beat another very good team. The ending of that game was unlike anything I have ever seen, and the likelihood of it ever occurring again are microscopic. I like Milsap, and I think the Jazz are an excellent, well coached team with a lot of good players. I think they'll make the WC Finals. But people should discredit the heat at their own peril; on sheer talent alone they will blow out most teams they play, even if they haven't fully gelled. You can't judge an entire season by one game, but certain situations and individual moments can act as microcosms for the season. Last night, three moments stood out to me as primary reasons why we shouldn't automatically raise the banner in South Beach. 1. Paul Millsap's put-back as time expired in regulation. Millsap sped through the lane and right past Udonis Haslem and Chris Bosh. Neither Bosh nor Haslem made the effort to box out, and, to be honest, neither are really that good on the glass to begin with. Miami's lack of a legitimate post presence affects them negatively on both ends of the floor, and the elite teams with more skilled big men (Boston, Miami, LA Lakers) should be able to eat them up down low. 2. LeBron James' disappearing act in the final minutes of regulation and overtime. James took two shots in the last seven minutes of basketball last night. He recorded no steals, blocks or assists and only a single rebound. The mark against James throughout his entire career is that he is a front-runner who fades when the pressure intensifies. The Heat don't figure to be in many close games this season, but so far, James has vanished in one (last night) and had a solid finish in the other (opener at Boston). 3. Deron Williams: 21 points, 14 assists. Those numbers are indicative of Miami's lack of a true presence at point guard. Point guard is just as glaring a hole in Miami's lineup as center is. Their depth chart at point guard reads as follows: Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Eddie House. None of those three are true point guards, and unless Chalmers has a break-out, a la Rajon Rondo in 2007-08, the Heat's starting five are merely two superstars, one good player and two scrubs. Also, this idea of "talent wins out" is very deceiving. It's what the Cavs' fans used last year when things didn't work. Shaq, Jamison, and LeBron never truly meshed, and people wrote it off as, "Oh well, Shaq was injured and Jamison is new, but once they gel, they have too much talent", something that never happened. And for all the talk the past seven years about how Cleveland never brought in any help for LeBron, I would say excluding Wade (who I still think is majorly overrated), the Heat are actually much, much worse than the Cavs were the past couple of years.
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Post by nate5054 on Nov 11, 2010 0:06:19 GMT -5
How the hell did the Jazz become Raven's FLock? Can't understand. They are the most clean cut good guys in the league. Damn they have been awesome the last week. Now if they can play an entire game I will be really impressed. Jazz - Raven's flock (solid mid-card team that has long featured a bunch of dirty white guys (Stockton, Hornacek, Korver, Kirilenko, Okur); close to realizing the 'main event' picture but something keeps holding them back; possesses a seven-foot tall guy in their squad) Korver? Dirty?
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 11, 2010 0:12:55 GMT -5
You can't judge an entire season by one game, but certain situations and individual moments can act as microcosms for the season. Last night, three moments stood out to me as primary reasons why we shouldn't automatically raise the banner in South Beach. 1. Paul Millsap's put-back as time expired in regulation. Millsap sped through the lane and right past Udonis Haslem and Chris Bosh. Neither Bosh nor Haslem made the effort to box out, and, to be honest, neither are really that good on the glass to begin with. Miami's lack of a legitimate post presence affects them negatively on both ends of the floor, and the elite teams with more skilled big men (Boston, Miami, LA Lakers) should be able to eat them up down low. 2. LeBron James' disappearing act in the final minutes of regulation and overtime. James took two shots in the last seven minutes of basketball last night. He recorded no steals, blocks or assists and only a single rebound. The mark against James throughout his entire career is that he is a front-runner who fades when the pressure intensifies. The Heat don't figure to be in many close games this season, but so far, James has vanished in one (last night) and had a solid finish in the other (opener at Boston). 3. Deron Williams: 21 points, 14 assists. Those numbers are indicative of Miami's lack of a true presence at point guard. Point guard is just as glaring a hole in Miami's lineup as center is. Their depth chart at point guard reads as follows: Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Eddie House. None of those three are true point guards, and unless Chalmers has a break-out, a la Rajon Rondo in 2007-08, the Heat's starting five are merely two superstars, one good player and two scrubs. Also, this idea of "talent wins out" is very deceiving. It's what the Cavs' fans used last year when things didn't work. Shaq, Jamison, and LeBron never truly meshed, and people wrote it off as, "Oh well, Shaq was injured and Jamison is new, but once they gel, they have too much talent", something that never happened. And for all the talk the past seven years about how Cleveland never brought in any help for LeBron, I would say excluding Wade (who I still think is majorly overrated), the Heat are actually much, much worse than the Cavs were the past couple of years. The Cavs at least have a semi-consistent bench. The Heat live and die by their bench. If their bench takes the night off, the Heat are most likely going to lose. If they decide they want to earn their pay check, the Heat have a really high chance of winning. But more times than not, that Heat bench just phones it in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 0:20:06 GMT -5
Also, this idea of "talent wins out" is very deceiving. It's what the Cavs' fans used last year when things didn't work. Shaq, Jamison, and LeBron never truly meshed, and people wrote it off as, "Oh well, Shaq was injured and Jamison is new, but once they gel, they have too much talent", something that never happened. And for all the talk the past seven years about how Cleveland never brought in any help for LeBron, I would say excluding Wade (who I still think is majorly overrated), the Heat are actually much, much worse than the Cavs were the past couple of years. The Cavs at least have a semi-consistent bench. The Heat live and die by their bench. If their bench takes the night off, the Heat are most likely going to lose. If they decide they want to earn their pay check, the Heat have a really high chance of winning. But more times than not, that Heat bench just phones it in. The thing with their bench is that they're more than capable of playing well. Eddie House and James Jones on the offensive side, and Haslem is a decent all-arounder when given the minutes.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 11, 2010 0:23:39 GMT -5
The Cavs at least have a semi-consistent bench. The Heat live and die by their bench. If their bench takes the night off, the Heat are most likely going to lose. If they decide they want to earn their pay check, the Heat have a really high chance of winning. But more times than not, that Heat bench just phones it in. The thing with their bench is that they're more than capable of playing well. Eddie House and James Jones on the offensive side, and Haslem is a decent all-arounder when given the minutes. It truly is puzzling. We KNOW at least 3 or 4 of their bench guys can play at least decent basketball, but for some reason, they just haven't been able to do it yet in Miami. Do they expect the Big 2 + Bosh to do the lionshare of the hard work night in and night out?
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Post by Massive G on Nov 11, 2010 0:42:46 GMT -5
You can't judge an entire season by one game, but certain situations and individual moments can act as microcosms for the season. Last night, three moments stood out to me as primary reasons why we shouldn't automatically raise the banner in South Beach. 1. Paul Millsap's put-back as time expired in regulation. Millsap sped through the lane and right past Udonis Haslem and Chris Bosh. Neither Bosh nor Haslem made the effort to box out, and, to be honest, neither are really that good on the glass to begin with. Miami's lack of a legitimate post presence affects them negatively on both ends of the floor, and the elite teams with more skilled big men (Boston, Miami, LA Lakers) should be able to eat them up down low. 2. LeBron James' disappearing act in the final minutes of regulation and overtime. James took two shots in the last seven minutes of basketball last night. He recorded no steals, blocks or assists and only a single rebound. The mark against James throughout his entire career is that he is a front-runner who fades when the pressure intensifies. The Heat don't figure to be in many close games this season, but so far, James has vanished in one (last night) and had a solid finish in the other (opener at Boston). 3. Deron Williams: 21 points, 14 assists. Those numbers are indicative of Miami's lack of a true presence at point guard. Point guard is just as glaring a hole in Miami's lineup as center is. Their depth chart at point guard reads as follows: Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Eddie House. None of those three are true point guards, and unless Chalmers has a break-out, a la Rajon Rondo in 2007-08, the Heat's starting five are merely two superstars, one good player and two scrubs. Also, this idea of "talent wins out" is very deceiving. It's what the Cavs' fans used last year when things didn't work. Shaq, Jamison, and LeBron never truly meshed, and people wrote it off as, "Oh well, Shaq was injured and Jamison is new, but once they gel, they have too much talent", something that never happened. And for all the talk the past seven years about how Cleveland never brought in any help for LeBron, I would say excluding Wade (who I still think is majorly overrated), the Heat are actually much, much worse than the Cavs were the past couple of years. Absurd. The Heat's bench isn't great, but rather ordinary. Seeing as they are quite top heavy, this ultimately matters very little, particularly come playoff time. Additionally, if any Cavs fan last year thought that Shaq (200 years old) and Jamison (done - why do you think the Wizards gave him up for nothing?) would be the missing links, they're dumb and delusional. I was an NBA scout for over 2 years. Trust me when I tell you that Dwyane Wade is, at worst, the fourth best player in the league (when healthy). Bosh is legit in the top 25. He's probably the best "third best" player in the league. As someone mentioned, Haslem, House, Jones, and Miller especially are all at least competent. This Heat team is orders of magnitude better than any Cavs team of the last decade. They will win 60 games, at least. They will cruise to many of these wins, during which "the big 3" will be sitting out many a fourth quarter. They are legit contenders. Like I said before, they might not ever figure it out; Spoelstra might not be capable, their interior D might do them in, they might struggle to adapt to newly defined roles. But if they DO figure it out, people can kiss the Eastern Conference goodbye for the next 5-6 years, at least.
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Post by stealthamo on Nov 11, 2010 2:17:34 GMT -5
Tonight's results from the WCBA (World Championship Basketball Association):
David Arquette defeated Booker T in a squash (Milwaukee over Atlanta 108-91) Raven's Flock defeated the Steiner Bros. (Utah over Orlando 104-94) Juventud Guerrera defeated Perry Saturn (Washington over Houston 98-91) Alex Wright went over Jerry Flynn (Charlotte over Toronto 101-96) Glacier defeated Bret Hart (New Jersey over Cleveland 95-87) High Voltage defeated Mongo in a super high-octane match (Golden State over New York 122-117) Chris Jericho over Bobby Flynn in a high-octane battle (Oklahoma City over Philadelphia 109-103) Lex Luger over DDP in a squash (Dallas over Memphis 106-91) Larry Zybysko defeated Disco Inferno in a fairly one-sided match (San Antonio over LA Clippers 107-95) Silver King defeated Disorderly Conduct (Minnesota over Sacramento 98-89)
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 11, 2010 2:48:28 GMT -5
Hey....I have a question for everyone else. I'm pretty sure we are ALL in agreement that Oklahoma City's official font is bland, generic, and boring as all f***(really that's all that's wrong with their uniforms, the colors a f***ing awesome, they just need to fix the font). Well...what if they made the "Rise Together" font(my name for the font style) as their main font? For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here is the font in question. Personally, that's a bitching font style. Or at least it humbles the current font's ass old country style. So, what about the rest of y'all? Should the Thunder make the smart choice and move from Generic MS Word Font #192093 to this font?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 11, 2010 6:13:30 GMT -5
Jazz rally from 18 down tonight to beat the Magic in Orlando. Starting to think this isn't just Miami-centric. It's not just Miami-centric when you've got Deron Williams in the backcourt. I'm not a Jazz fan, but I'm a D-Will fan and hopefully he keeps this up and becomes a more mainstream player. When talking about great players in the NBA, he's forgotten about. Also between D-Will, CP3, Derick Rose, Russel Westbrook, John Wall, and Rondo, it's a great time for young point guards. That's not even including guys like Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris, and Eric Bledsoe.
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Post by ani on Nov 11, 2010 9:34:02 GMT -5
That's just really unfortunate wording
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Post by BearDogg-X on Nov 11, 2010 10:44:07 GMT -5
Standings so far(as of Wednesday's games):
East Atlantic Sting(Boston) 6-2 Mongo(New York) 3-5 Glacier(New Jersey) 3-5 Bobby Eaton(Philadelphia) 2-6 Jerry Flynn(Toronto) 1-7
Central Bret Hart(Cleveland) 4-4 Eddie Guerrero(Chicago) 3-3 Greg Valentine(Indiana) 3-3 David Arquette(Milwaukee) 4-5 Nasty Boys(Detroit) 2-6
Southeast Steiner Bros.(Orlando) 5-2 Booker T(Atlanta) 6-3 nWo(Miami) 5-3 Juventud Guerrera(Washington) 2-4 Alex Wright(Charlotte) 2-6
West Southwest Ric Flair(New Orleans) 7-0 Larry Zybysko(San Antonio) 6-1 Lex Luger(Dallas) 5-2 DDP(Memphis) 4-5 Perry Saturn(Houston) 1-6
Northwest Ultimo Dragon(Portland) 6-3 Raven's Flock(Utah) 5-3 Chris Jericho(Oklahoma City) 4-3 Fire & Ice(Denver) 4-4 Silver King(Minnesota) 2-7
Pacific Goldberg(LA Lakers) 8-0 High Voltage(Golden State) 6-2 Disorderly Conduct(Sacramento) 3-4 Rey Mysterio(Phoenix) 3-4 Disco Inferno(LA Clippers) 1-8
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Post by the5thhorseman on Nov 11, 2010 21:20:19 GMT -5
The fact that Jerry Stackhouse is on the Heat shows you how thin they really are. Stackhouse was done at least 2 years ago and wasnt a big player for the Mavs even before that.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 11, 2010 23:04:26 GMT -5
Eat it!!! Celtics are 2-0 against Miami
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Nov 11, 2010 23:06:05 GMT -5
If the Celtics are Sting, Ray Allen is Sting's bat (at least when playing the nWo).
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Post by Jay Carroll on Nov 12, 2010 0:26:10 GMT -5
Paul Pierce on tonight's victory: I just became a Paul Pierce fan. ****** The fact that Jerry Stackhouse is on the Heat shows you how thin they really are. Stackhouse was done at least 2 years ago and wasnt a big player for the Mavs even before that. I'd make the argument that Stackhouse contributed to both Dallas and Milwaukee, just as more of a "veteran presence" than an on-court, effective player. He was pretty much the only Maverick that didn't look shellshocked during the 2006 Finals debacle (and shouldn't have been T'd up and tossed out for Game 6) and also during the Golden State series. As far as suiting up for the Heat... a paycheck and a chance at a title. No more, no less.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Nov 12, 2010 1:16:24 GMT -5
The fact that Jerry Stackhouse is on the Heat shows you how thin they really are. Stackhouse was done at least 2 years ago and wasnt a big player for the Mavs even before that. I'd make the argument that Stackhouse contributed to both Dallas and Milwaukee, just as more of a "veteran presence" than an on-court, effective player. He was pretty much the only Maverick that didn't look shellshocked during the 2006 Finals debacle (and shouldn't have been T'd up and tossed out for Game 6) and also during the Golden State series. As far as suiting up for the Heat... a paycheck and a chance at a title. No more, no less. [/quote] He contributed to Dallas but the last time he did anything for them was that GS series. He would make a better coach at this point than someone playing minutes for a supposed title contender. I loveed Stack on the Mavs but he was and is done.
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Post by stealthamo on Nov 12, 2010 1:20:15 GMT -5
Tonight's results from the WCBA (World Championship Basketball Association):
Eddie Guerrero went over High Voltage in a squash (Chicago over Golden State 120-90) Sting defeated the NWO in a high-octane battle (Boston over Miami 112-107) Fire & Ice defeated Goldberg in a high-octane battle (Denver over LA Lakers 118-112)
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