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Post by cobrafan on Oct 9, 2010 9:36:34 GMT -5
It's the lack of good storylines for me. Yeah...they have the Nexus storyline but it isn't that great. Even the WWE/WHC feuds don't have much of a storyline other than: wrestler A wants wrestler B's title. At least in the Attitude era there were storylines in feuds for the WWE, IC, Tag, and even the European and to some extent Hardcore title. Now there's nothing.
Hell...it took me a few minutes to remember who the tag and IC champs are. Back then, you knew who all the champs were because they were shown often and had somewhat interesting mini-feuds surrounding the titles. Now titles are rarely defended and most either forget who the champs are or simply gave up on caring about them.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 9, 2010 9:38:00 GMT -5
The Attitude Era had some of the greatest stuff in the history of wrestling. It also had some of the worst, stupidest stuff, but people don't like to remember that.
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Post by waluigi on Oct 9, 2010 9:39:49 GMT -5
Hornswoggle vs. Chavo lasted for four months on end
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 9, 2010 9:49:50 GMT -5
The Attitude Era had some of the greatest stuff in the history of wrestling. It also had some of the worst, stupidest stuff, but people don't like to remember that. All you got to do is read some of the Wrestlecrap inductions to behold the greatness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 10:46:30 GMT -5
Being PG isn't the problem. WWE is right now in a transition from the aftermath of the Attitude Era and a new era popping up in a year or two. WWE tries to appeal to children, but uses the Attitude Era style of booking feuds and matches. Once WWE gets away from the Attitude Era, then we will see something great, unique, and integrity-ridden.
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Post by Beartato on Oct 9, 2010 11:38:40 GMT -5
PG isn't the problem at all. Nitro was able to kick RAW's ass in the ratings for a year and a half with a PG product. The thing is, WCW did PG the right way. They didn't have bad language or excessive blood or sexual content, but they did have serious angles with interesting characters that were aimed at adults. WWE's problem these days is that they're doing exactly what Vince always badmouthed ECW for, which is trying to only appeal to a portion of their fanbase rather than the entire fanbase. WWE is so concerned with little kids that they're neglecting the large adult section of fans. Again going back to Nitro, little kids and adults alike loved things like the NWO vs. Sting angle, just further proving that PG isn't the problem. Trying to be a kids show is the problem. These are my sentiments EXACTLY. I don't hate "PG," I actually love that there's no blood anymore, and I'm glad the lame "edgy" angles are gone, and they can create intensity without excessive profanity and garbage wrestling. I just hate that it's trying to be a kid's show. Hell, it's like if Batman TAS was trying to cater to only children. It obviously wasn't. It was rated TVY7 and had some of the most compelling storylines on tv that adults loved but of course kids loved too. They're alienating adult audiences, and that's the problem.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Oct 9, 2010 11:47:50 GMT -5
For me, its a few factors that I don't attribute to PG necessarily, but the current product as a whole.
One thing is the lack of effort on some of the guys are going through the motions but not trying. Don't get me wrong; it's not everyone.
For me, the lack of blood is a big thing. Now, I don't mean we need a bloodbath every week. *cough* TNA *cough* What I mean is, the use of blood to accentuate an angle. The biggest thing where I think this could be used is Dashing Cody Rhodes. I love the gimmick, and it gives Cody some personality. But I think it would be a great angle/storyline/whatever to have a face trying to "rearrange the facial features" of DCR, and trying to bust him open. Its just a small thing, but to me it could put Cody over huge.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 9, 2010 11:55:57 GMT -5
PG isn't the problem at all. Nitro was able to kick RAW's ass in the ratings for a year and a half with a PG product. The thing is, WCW did PG the right way. They didn't have bad language or excessive blood or sexual content, but they did have serious angles with interesting characters that were aimed at adults. WWE's problem these days is that they're doing exactly what Vince always badmouthed ECW for, which is trying to only appeal to a portion of their fanbase rather than the entire fanbase. WWE is so concerned with little kids that they're neglecting the large adult section of fans. Again going back to Nitro, little kids and adults alike loved things like the NWO vs. Sting angle, just further proving that PG isn't the problem. Trying to be a kids show is the problem. A year old and still right. A lot of people forget that the first year or so of the Attitude Era was PG. The problem isn't PG, it's Vince feels this PG era must be dumbed down. The Cena/Nexus, Paul Bearer/Kane/Taker stuff is the first time they have put some effort into making a meaningful storyline and it's working as people are taking notice.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 9, 2010 12:21:36 GMT -5
I'm one of the people who doesn't really want to see blood for the sake of blood (in other words, blading). If someone bleeds incidentally, fine, that can stay, but I've never liked blading, especially when someone like Flair or Shawn would just slice the shit out of their foreheads and bleed out as much as they could and hope they didn't pass out before the end of the match.
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Post by Raul on Oct 9, 2010 12:38:45 GMT -5
Instead of blaming PG, people should blame the writing.
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Post by buttersock on Oct 9, 2010 12:39:27 GMT -5
The angles are less compelling. The wrestlers, some of them anyway, can come across as cookie cutter, but I think that has a lot to do with WWE's booking. It's not the naked women, because I'd be happy if I was to never see a lingere pillow fight again. The blood is good because it can add to drama to an angle. Like, a Hell in a Cell looks kinda stupid without some sort of blood. Jim Ross made a comment about PG. He said that he had no problem with wrestlers going out there and having great matches, or something along those lines. I completely screwed that up. I'm fine with PG, it's just the characters aren't as interesting anymore, there's not a lot of focus on guys as there used to be, and that's probably one of the problems as well. Also, as someone who used to be a 10 year old boy, I will say this. I hated the backstreet boys and other boy bands that were around that time, because I thought they were stupid. Most 10 year old boys did. I don't think 10 year old boys are going to get excited about seeing Justin Bieber. That's not appealing towards the audience at all. John Cena is a tough guy, and a fighter. No matter how lame he can be, I can understand why kids would like him. If I was 10, I'd probably be a huge John Cena fan. But, I would hate Justin Bieber. And I don't really know the kid's music, but just with his gimmick, I know I would hate him. It's not a PG thing. It's WWE not knowing their audience. All he's going to do is sing the national anthem at wrestlemania. Thats just 2-3 minutes. Thats it. I don't see a problem with this. No one complained when Boyz 2 Men performed at Wrestlemania 15.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Oct 9, 2010 12:57:07 GMT -5
The angles are less compelling. The wrestlers, some of them anyway, can come across as cookie cutter, but I think that has a lot to do with WWE's booking. It's not the naked women, because I'd be happy if I was to never see a lingere pillow fight again. The blood is good because it can add to drama to an angle. Like, a Hell in a Cell looks kinda stupid without some sort of blood. Jim Ross made a comment about PG. He said that he had no problem with wrestlers going out there and having great matches, or something along those lines. I completely screwed that up. I'm fine with PG, it's just the characters aren't as interesting anymore, there's not a lot of focus on guys as there used to be, and that's probably one of the problems as well. Also, as someone who used to be a 10 year old boy, I will say this. I hated the backstreet boys and other boy bands that were around that time, because I thought they were stupid. Most 10 year old boys did. I don't think 10 year old boys are going to get excited about seeing Justin Bieber. That's not appealing towards the audience at all. John Cena is a tough guy, and a fighter. No matter how lame he can be, I can understand why kids would like him. If I was 10, I'd probably be a huge John Cena fan. But, I would hate Justin Bieber. And I don't really know the kid's music, but just with his gimmick, I know I would hate him. It's not a PG thing. It's WWE not knowing their audience. All he's going to do is sing the national anthem at wrestlemania. Thats just 2-3 minutes. Thats it. I don't see a problem with this. No one complained when Boyz 2 Men performed at Wrestlemania 15. Wait... you can't really compare Boyz II Men and Justin Bieber. That's kinda crazy. That's like comparing the Four Horsemen to DJ Gabriel.
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Post by Stevie H on Oct 9, 2010 13:00:31 GMT -5
The only thing about PG I don't like is no Divas appearing in Playboy anymore.
I hoped Layla or Eve would pose one day. Oh well....
The rest of PG doesn't bother me, you can make a compelling storyline and not have to resort to blood, swearing, etc.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 9, 2010 13:09:17 GMT -5
I think a lot of it, at least for me, is that it's such a shift in attitude and approach that it feels like the big fans of wrestling are being left behind in favor of a younger audience that's not guaranteed to be there for the long run. I also feel like there have been certain situations and storylines (Edge and Orton particularly) where the lack of edge to how actions are portrayed or what can be said had soften the impact that people can have on the show. The funny thing is, because the WWE can't go for the quick shock anymore, it's made them (somewhat) have to strengthen their booking and writing to make up the difference in things, and when something shocking does happen (the formation of Nexus), it carries that much more weight.
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Post by buttersock on Oct 9, 2010 13:11:04 GMT -5
All he's going to do is sing the national anthem at wrestlemania. Thats just 2-3 minutes. Thats it. I don't see a problem with this. No one complained when Boyz 2 Men performed at Wrestlemania 15. Wait... you can't really compare Boyz II Men and Justin Bieber. That's kinda crazy. That's like comparing the Four Horsemen to DJ Gabriel. I know you can't compare the two, I grew up on Boyz 2 Men and and I heard some of Bieber's work. I'm just saying to the poster who said "WWE doesn't know it's audiance" when discussing Bieber, that the musical performances in past Wrestlemania openings involved groups/artists who a lot of WWF/WWE fans don't listen too or even heard of (Boyz To Men, Ashanti, John Legend, Fantasia, Nicole Scherzinger, etc.). I just wanted to know who be better to sing the national anthem since no one appaently wants to see Bieber Fever running wild in Wrestlemania even if its just 2 minutes?
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 9, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -5
I don't like PG because if restricts them from doing angles that are more adult. That's it. I just hate things that put automatic restrictions on the product. I see it from a business standpoint, and even agree with it from a business standpoint, but from a consumer standpoint I don't like limitations.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 9, 2010 15:15:38 GMT -5
PG doesnt bother me, its the writers and the less emphasis on wrestling/match quality, they could do PG and good match quality and build up to fueds, and probably not many would mind.
No decent mid card and tag team division and just focus on ME. I do wish more emphasis on titles too as the focus of the fued.
probably why I enjoyed wwecw near the last year, it was still PG, but the wrestling and fueds were pretty enjoyable to watch.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 9, 2010 15:42:00 GMT -5
It annoys me whenever I am on YouTube and I see lots of comments bashing PG, whether it's an Attitude Era video or a video during the Ruthless Aggression Era, or even during the times of 2005-2007. People have to know that Attitude is over and has been for a decade now. Sure, we may have had some over the top storylines in 05 and 06 that were bad, like Kurt Angle being a rapist to Sharmell, as well as the Live Sex Celebration. But d0 people remember how family friendly wrestling was in the mid 90s? Now I know I became a fan in the Attitude Era, but I have seen videos of content from the New Generation Era and they weren't that edgy. Of course, in 1996, I think that's when things started to take a bit of a turn. Hell, I think Austin's speech at KOTR 1996 was the first time the word "ass" was heard on WWF TV.
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Post by mydixiewrecked on Oct 9, 2010 15:44:17 GMT -5
I used to think PG didn't make a difference, I was wrong. go and watch the Raw Diva's Summer Spectacular if you think PG rating doesn't make a differance. LAME LAME LAME, it's not just a lack of blood or lack of skimpy clothing, its the fact that I feel like I'm watching a show marketed for 5 or 6 year olds. Hell if I was 12 years old I'd think the crap WWE puts out now is lame.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 9, 2010 15:49:37 GMT -5
Being PG isn't the problem. WWE is right now in a transition from the aftermath of the Attitude Era and a new era popping up in a year or two. WWE tries to appeal to children, but uses the Attitude Era style of booking feuds and matches. Once WWE gets away from the Attitude Era, then we will see something great, unique, and integrity-ridden. The thing is, WWE has been in transition since 2002. They tried the whole Ruthless Agression thing and then there was the brief Anarchy period during the summer which was something truly interesting but got forgotten by the fall in 2008. It seems at times that the WWE is going backwards in how they approach pro wrestling (yeah, I know but still). The faces all like each other and the heels do too and it doesn't matter because whatever illusion of competition that was left has been forgotten in favor of bland entertainment. If I wanted to watch a sitcom I have better options on channels like NBC. One thing I liked about the Attitude Era was that in their major feuds (ex. Austin/Mcmahon) they seemed to actually have build-up and acknowledge past events that led to what was currently going on. It didn't seem nearly as predictable and I'm not saying this out of nostalgia because I went and rewatched episodes of Raw from 1998-2000. I liked how the main storylines involved just about all the regular wrestlers from all levels of the company but now its like if you are not a main eventer you don't count until they need someone to act as cannon fodder to the main heel. I don't know if it's the lower production values or what but it seemed to have an appeal to it that was slowly lost starting from 2002. As for cursing, I don't remember there being much cursing in the WWF during the Attitude Era. At least, it was nothing worse than what I would have heard in school. I mean growing up what I remember was that kids my age hated watching babyish stuff and liked the stuff for teenagers and adults more (ex. popularity of the Simpsons and later South Park, gangsta rap, etc.) Nobody admitted to watching Power Rangers but saying you watched Batman TAS or Celebrity Deathmatch was a-okay. Honestly, if I had been a kid and seen the WWE as it is today I wouldn't have bothered watching it.
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