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Post by agent817 on Oct 9, 2010 16:12:36 GMT -5
I used to think PG didn't make a difference, I was wrong. go and watch the Raw Diva's Summer Spectacular if you think PG rating doesn't make a differance. LAME LAME LAME, it's not just a lack of blood or lack of skimpy clothing, its the fact that I feel like I'm watching a show marketed for 5 or 6 year olds. Hell if I was 12 years old I'd think the crap WWE puts out now is lame. Are you talking about when the Divas were dressed in regular one piece swimsuits? I thought that was sort of pushing it. Their wrestling outfits are skimpier than that. Doesn't matter if they were bikinis or such, but even I thought that kind of pushed it.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Oct 9, 2010 16:16:41 GMT -5
If the only result of PG is less jack-off material for some people, then I won't be too upset.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 9, 2010 16:21:16 GMT -5
People resent PG because of what it represents. So much has changed. Stuff that was done 10 years ago is taboo now. The "really violent" matches hardly differ from regular ones. Matches being stopped for even the slightest drop of blood, cartoonish skits with a leprechaun, the obvious dancing around saying profanity, LAME commentary by a once-great Jerry "Puppies" Lawler...All of this represents a changing of the guard, which leaves longtime fans feeling jaded & bitter, which is why the UFC skyrocketed during a time when wrestling's popularity sharply declined.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Oct 9, 2010 16:22:55 GMT -5
People resent PG because of what it represents. So much has changed. Stuff that was done 10 years ago is taboo now. The "really violent" matches hardly differ from regular ones. Matches being stopped for even the slightest drop of blood, cartoonish skits with a leprechaun, the obvious dancing around saying profanity, LAME commentary by a once-great Jerry "Puppies" Lawler...All of this represents a changing of the guard, which leaves longtime fans feeling jaded & bitter, which is why the UFC skyrocketed during a time when wrestling's popularity sharply declined. Jerry Lawler's lame commentary started LONG before PG, as did the UFC's rise and even the debut of Hornswoggle.
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Post by mydixiewrecked on Oct 9, 2010 16:34:14 GMT -5
another thing that rubs me the wrong way is if you listen to Vince interviews from the Attitude era, he defends the WWF's right to air adult material vigorously, now all of the sudden he does a complete 180 and decides to market WWE to kids right around the time Linda decides to make a senate run? If you buy that I've got bridge to sell you
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Oct 9, 2010 16:41:15 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll take anything from current WWE over 1998-2001. I find both RAW and Smackdown very entertaining, whereas in the Attitude era I would miss large portions of the show because of the vast amount of wrestlers I didn't like on the roster.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 9, 2010 17:29:25 GMT -5
I'm a grown-assed man watching some clod say Poopy and a f***ing Leprechaun.
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Post by edgedge on Oct 9, 2010 17:32:14 GMT -5
The only thing I don't like about PG is the lack of blood.
It's not that I need to see it in every match, but some feuds call for at least a little of the red stuff.
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Post by AndyUK on Oct 9, 2010 17:56:36 GMT -5
I'm a grown-assed man watching some clod say Poopy and a f***ing Leprechaun. Yeah, it's stupid but wrestling has ALWAYS been stupid. Every era of wrestling is full of stuff that is completely ridiculous. To me, WWE have ALWAYS marketed their product towards kids, even during the Attitude Era. Older kids maybe but kids nonetheless because the Attitude Era certainly wasn't a mature adult show. It was very immature and was marketed towards horny teenagers who thought bad language and blood were cool.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Oct 9, 2010 18:00:54 GMT -5
Scapegoat. Very similar to how people blame creative for everything.
Look, if you have overall dissatisfaction with the product, determine what portions of the show you don't like and try to cut it out. Don't yearn for an entire period of time out of sheer nostalgia.
I'm going to lay a harsh truth. Look at your favorite era of wrestling. There was as much good as there was bad with it, and the same can be said of the current period of wrestling.
There are going to be fans who look back at the current "PG" era as their Golden Era of Wrestling. Don't be jaded just because you wish you could be young again and openly enjoy the product instead of having to come up with excuses for a product you most likely outgrew years ago.
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Post by twiggy101 on Oct 9, 2010 18:01:22 GMT -5
I don't watch Raw as often anymore because I'm not holding my breath for something shocking to happen on live TV. And what's the point of having eye-candy divas if they don't show enough skin? They can't wrestle or be sexy enough to get me excited.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 9, 2010 18:01:34 GMT -5
Somebody said it right on the first page: going by what I've read and what little I've seen, I think the issue with this whole "PG" situation is that people feel that they're still booking and presenting their product nearly the same way they have for over ten years, but simply removed excess female flesh, blood, and profanity.
I'm an old school fan; that means I still pop in my old PPV tapes and enjoy them, despite the over the top cartoony nature of many of the gimmicks. That said, that circus atmosphere was the WWF's identity, and they stuck to it, and stayed pretty consistent with it. They still pulled off some serious angles, still had some "mature" moments, but at least they had a direction and an identity that pervaded.
I think a lot of people feel that's missing now.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 9, 2010 18:35:01 GMT -5
Remember the nwo angle? Remember how revolutionary it was? Well, IIRC, that was rated PG as well, as was all the other wcw stuff during the monday night wars, yet wcw still did get quite a bit of teen/adult fans during that period, so its not like PG is a negative stigma.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 9, 2010 18:37:16 GMT -5
...So its not like PG is a negative stigma. But the WWE is turning it into one. They can do what they did back then. They just won't.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Oct 9, 2010 18:47:52 GMT -5
Honestly... thank Benoit. Ever since that brought a lot of bad publicity, Vince reined things in and played it safe. Similar to the aftermath of his steroid trial,he cut loose guys like Warrior and Bulldog and pushed smaller guys for awhile.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 9, 2010 18:52:22 GMT -5
Do you think the fans who were watching Bruno and Backlund like their serious WWF turning into a real life cartoon with Hogan and crew? WWE always tries to evolve with the audience while still shrilling to kids. It's just that the young adults and kids from the Attitude Era grew up and are watching UFC because it's cooler to them. So WWE stepped up its marketing to kids and families in order to make up the loss. Kids are loving this era while some adults hate it. Just like how my dad hated Hulk Hogan but knew that was my favorite wrestler, so he tolerated the kiddie wrestling show as he called it in the 80's.
TV-14 nor TV-MA is not going to fix WWE's problems overnight. Their problems run much deeper than a rating.
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 9, 2010 20:53:53 GMT -5
Honestly... thank Benoit. Ever since that brought a lot of bad publicity, Vince reined things in and played it safe. Similar to the aftermath of his steroid trial,he cut loose guys like Warrior and Bulldog and pushed smaller guys for awhile. And the irony of it all is that Benoit would have loved working in WWE during the PG era. The issue I have with the PG-era WWE is that you are constantly reminded of their PG rating every.damn.time. It's definitely being done not because it's for the kids but because WWE feels it has to do it, to make it more palatable for voters looking for any hint that Linda's Senate run can be derailed.
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Post by Prince of Darkness on Oct 9, 2010 22:16:30 GMT -5
Also, as someone who used to be a 10 year old boy, I will say this. I hated the backstreet boys and other boy bands that were around that time, because I thought they were stupid. Most 10 year old boys did. I don't think 10 year old boys are going to get excited about seeing Justin Bieber. That's not appealing towards the audience at all. John Cena is a tough guy, and a fighter. No matter how lame he can be, I can understand why kids would like him. If I was 10, I'd probably be a huge John Cena fan. But, I would hate Justin Bieber. And I don't really know the kid's music, but just with his gimmick, I know I would hate him. It's not a PG thing. It's WWE not knowing their audience. Couldn't agree more. Most 10 year old boys either listen to moron rock,* or whatever their parents listen too. Approximately zero 10 year old boys want to see Justin Bieber in any capacity other than a waterballon target. *Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock were huge among 10 year olds back in the day.
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Post by Prince of Darkness on Oct 9, 2010 22:23:57 GMT -5
All he's going to do is sing the national anthem at wrestlemania. Thats just 2-3 minutes. Thats it. I don't see a problem with this. No one complained when Boyz 2 Men performed at Wrestlemania 15. It's the principal of the thing. Justin Bieber has no business being in a wrestling ring even for three minutes. No one in the audience likes him, because 10 year old boys hate Justin Bieber, probably even more so than 30 and 40 year old men. When I was 10, I listened to moron rock, or whatever my parents listened too, but I always hated things like the Backstreet Boys, Aaron Carter, and the Disney Channel. And outside of Austin vs. The Rock, Wrestlemania XV was the worst Wrestlemania ever. So don't hold it up as some sort of paragon of the Attitude Era. Justin Bieber isn't even an American. Though that's not even in the top 100 list of things that's wrong with Justin Freaking Bieber singing the national anthem. I know you can't compare the two, I grew up on Boyz 2 Men and and I heard some of Bieber's work. I'm just saying to the poster who said "WWE doesn't know it's audiance" when discussing Bieber, that the musical performances in past Wrestlemania openings involved groups/artists who a lot of WWF/WWE fans don't listen too or even heard of (Boyz To Men, Ashanti, John Legend, Fantasia, Nicole Scherzinger, etc.). I just wanted to know who be better to sing the national anthem since no one appaently wants to see Bieber Fever running wild in Wrestlemania even if its just 2 minutes? How about Billy Corgan? He's a fan, and he won't mispronounce any of the wrestlers names.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Oct 9, 2010 22:28:15 GMT -5
America the Beautiful isn't the national anthem.
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