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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 26, 2010 23:09:22 GMT -5
I have a question: is there a possibility that Claudio would get signed by WWE again? I don't see why not. Brian Lee cost himself a job by offering to skip scheduled dates for ECW so that he could start early, but he eventually was brought back to be in the DoA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2010 23:14:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised Claudio isn't in the WWE right now. Have you seen the man? Sweet god.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 26, 2010 23:17:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised Claudio isn't in the WWE right now. Have you seen the man? Sweet god. Because apparently caring about your future and wanting to progress with the company that hired you is somehow less important than working a bunch of indy shows...
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Post by casualobserver on Nov 26, 2010 23:19:07 GMT -5
I'm surprised Claudio isn't in the WWE right now. Have you seen the man? Sweet god. Because apparently caring about your future and wanting to progress with the company that hired you is somehow less important than working a bunch of indy shows... And screwing over the companies that you had committed your bookings?
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 26, 2010 23:22:51 GMT -5
Because apparently caring about your future and wanting to progress with the company that hired you is somehow less important than working a bunch of indy shows... And screwing over the companies that you had committed your bookings? It's not screwing them over. It's called business. Why it's seen as something horrible and worthy of getting fired over just makes no sense to me.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 26, 2010 23:23:25 GMT -5
That's actually pretty honorable of Vince. Kinda stupid to fire Claudio over, but I guess it's sort of an integrity thing.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 26, 2010 23:27:31 GMT -5
And screwing over the companies that you had committed your bookings? It's not screwing them over. It's called business. Why it's seen as something horrible and worthy of getting fired over just makes no sense to me. Speaking of business...say Claudio just flat out screwed over the companies that booked him and advertised him and didn't bother to honor his bookings. Now say, he screws up on his own while in developmental and gets canned anyways. Now, not only is he out of a WWE job, but he probably would lose out on a lot of jobs thanks to the fact he shot himself in the foot showing he's out for himself. Speaking of which, was it ever 100% confirmed that's why he was fired, or is it just speculation.
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Post by casualobserver on Nov 26, 2010 23:30:51 GMT -5
And screwing over the companies that you had committed your bookings? It's not screwing them over. It's called business. Why it's seen as something horrible and worthy of getting fired over just makes no sense to me. From the WWE perspective, if he's willing to do that to another company for a greater opportunity, what would stop him from doing that to them down the road? It's a red flag. Besides, I would think the WWE and him worked out the condition of his employment, namely the start date and any obligations he had to finish before coming on board. Most other places of work do before bringing new employees on board. If the WWE told him finish your dates and we'll get you started and he went against that, then yes he definitely should be fired.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 26, 2010 23:34:58 GMT -5
I think WWE has done this practice ever since the days of WCW taking talent under WWE's noses. It is WWE trying to discourage people from screwing them later.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 26, 2010 23:40:31 GMT -5
Well, whatever, I just think he should at least get another shot. He seems to be the sort of guy who could really do well in the WWE.
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Post by casualobserver on Nov 26, 2010 23:51:42 GMT -5
Well, whatever, I just think he should at least get another shot. He seems to be the sort of guy who could really do well in the WWE. All that said, he probably will get another shot down the road. Claudio did sign a new deal with RoH recently though, so it might be a while before the WWE comes knocking again.
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Post by y2kam on Nov 27, 2010 0:21:09 GMT -5
Well, whatever, I just think he should at least get another shot. He seems to be the sort of guy who could really do well in the WWE. He will someday, I am sure. In fact, I would be surprised if they hadn't tried to get him back, since. Anyhow, provided this rumour is actually true, I am sure it was just some stupid miscommunication on the part of both parties. This is obviously WWE policy, but Claudio probably thought it was the opposite. I know it could be argued that as the bigger entity, the WWE should take the high road, but it was still a flagrant violation of their policy right off the bat. These are the same guys that fired Danielson for breaking a policy, immediately after he became (arguably) the hottest name in all of wrestling. They can't bend the rules for anyone. [insert HHH rebuttal here].
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Nov 27, 2010 0:26:28 GMT -5
It's not screwing them over. It's called business. Why it's seen as something horrible and worthy of getting fired over just makes no sense to me. From the WWE perspective, if he's willing to do that to another company for a greater opportunity, what would stop him from doing that to them down the road? It's a red flag. Besides, I would think the WWE and him worked out the condition of his employment, namely the start date and any obligations he had to finish before coming on board. Most other places of work do before bringing new employees on board. If the WWE told him finish your dates and we'll get you started and he went against that, then yes he definitely should be fired. Just a question though, WHO would make him a better deal than WWE? They're the biggest organization in the industry. And I doubt Claudio was paid in advance for those indy shows. So he most likely didn't screw them out of any money. I agree with Highroad here, as far as I'm concerned this is nothing but business and shouldn't be grounds for firing him.
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Post by casualobserver on Nov 27, 2010 1:15:57 GMT -5
From the WWE perspective, if he's willing to do that to another company for a greater opportunity, what would stop him from doing that to them down the road? It's a red flag. Besides, I would think the WWE and him worked out the condition of his employment, namely the start date and any obligations he had to finish before coming on board. Most other places of work do before bringing new employees on board. If the WWE told him finish your dates and we'll get you started and he went against that, then yes he definitely should be fired. Just a question though, WHO would make him a better deal than WWE? They're the biggest organization in the industry. And I doubt Claudio was paid in advance for those indy shows. So he most likely didn't screw them out of any money. I agree with Highroad here, as far as I'm concerned this is nothing but business and shouldn't be grounds for firing him. Careful how you use the word "business" because it can go both ways. The WWE felt it wasn't good "business" to invest in a guy who has proven that he cannot keep his obligations, especially when reportedly asked to do so by the WWE.
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Post by Jeremy on Nov 27, 2010 1:40:46 GMT -5
I hope it is the prior engagement cancellation issue and not another reason I heard recently. The second one would be a shame if it were true.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Nov 27, 2010 7:35:03 GMT -5
I agree with WWE on looking down on people cancelling Indy bookings. At the end of the day Vince is still a promoter so maybe he still has his roots, if he was small time i'm sure he would be mighty pissed if someone cancelled on him.
Plus the whole WCW thing someone mentioned a few posts back.
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Post by shadowangel on Nov 27, 2010 7:56:33 GMT -5
I hope it is the prior engagement cancellation issue and not another reason I heard recently. The second one would be a shame if it were true. And what is it? I'm glad he isn't in WWE, he's way to good to let his talent rot in the anti-wrestling swamp that the WWE is. I rather see him at Chikara, ROH or in Germany showing what he can in the ring, giving awesome, unscripted promos and just being his awesome self. And it looks like he likes it that way too, if not, he wouldn't have signed a new contract with ROH recently Same goes for Chis Hero, though Chris Jericho - Chris Hero is still the dream match i wann see.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2010 8:08:26 GMT -5
you know what's funny? We've basically got some confirmation that Vince wouldn't like this based on Cornette remembering what happened to Brian Lee, even if it didn't directly get Claudio cut. But it's the exact sort of thing Vince encouraged people to do when he was putting companies out of business.
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 27, 2010 8:55:06 GMT -5
I would love them to hire Claudio again. Hero, too.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Nov 27, 2010 9:01:00 GMT -5
From the WWE perspective, if he's willing to do that to another company for a greater opportunity, what would stop him from doing that to them down the road? It's a red flag. Besides, I would think the WWE and him worked out the condition of his employment, namely the start date and any obligations he had to finish before coming on board. Most other places of work do before bringing new employees on board. If the WWE told him finish your dates and we'll get you started and he went against that, then yes he definitely should be fired. Just a question though, WHO would make him a better deal than WWE? They're the biggest organization in the industry. And I doubt Claudio was paid in advance for those indy shows. So he most likely didn't screw them out of any money. Rhetorically speaking, it's not entirely impossible that TNA gets big enough to rival the WWE for real. After all, WCW climbed up the ranks and caught up to WWE and even overtook them at some point. If TNA suddenly becomes a force to be worried about buisness wise, what's to stop Claudio skipping any obligations to the WWE before jumping. And I mean when his contract runs out, not the 90 day no compete clause. Compare it to when Christian went to TNA. His contract finished before the Cyber Sunday PPV. He still worked the Smackdown before it AND the PPV regardless. This probably put Christian in some better light for when he left TNA down the road. Also, the argument can be that Claudio is a popular name on the indies. If he drops out of the show, they could lose money in ticket revenue, especially if he was one of the main advertised guys on the show. I know that I've seen some posters and been indifferent when I see a bunch of guys I don't know like "THE DEBUT OF SPUD THE ROCKSTAR" [incidently, I did eventually see Spud in action at the London MCM expo this year. Probably was the most over guy there.] But then I've seen other posters which have someone like Paul Burchill or Chris Hero in centre stage and it seems a little more interesting as I know who they are.
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