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Post by smokey1980 on Sept 17, 2010 17:59:54 GMT -5
I have hated this for awhile. STILL no explanation for Sting's heel turn to begin with, and it's just a mess that no one cares about. Just finish it already, one way or another.
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Post by EJS on Sept 18, 2010 2:02:54 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there.
The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett.
Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 18, 2010 2:29:49 GMT -5
You can just picture Cena and Joe on the phone after every Impact.
Cena: Is this how you wanna spend your career in wrestling? Jump to WWE as soon as you can. Start making some real money and wrestling some real competitors.
And then I dunno, Joe's blubbering on the other end or something.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Sept 18, 2010 2:59:20 GMT -5
Another thing about this is that Sting ans Nash's contract both expire soon. Nash right after BFG and Sting either soon after or at the end of the year. And Joe's could be up this year if he never signed an extension. WWE would sign all three quickly (Sting for the HOF and DVD, Nash as either an agent, wrestler or both and Joe as a wrestler)
So this program would be even more dead in the water in the very near future.
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Post by Snowman on Sept 18, 2010 13:44:29 GMT -5
Heel Sting could have been Epic. When he destroyed RVD it was the first time I can remember that the crowd actually booed him.
But then they failed to capitalise on it and have just dragged it out, without the storyline actaully going anywhere.
Sting would be better at this point leaving TNA and going to WWE for a year long run, then retiring with a nice DVD and a hall of fame induction.
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Post by primetime110 on Sept 18, 2010 16:54:08 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there. The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett. Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this. Jarrett started it with Sting taking up for hogan and bischoff.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 18, 2010 17:34:38 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there. The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett. Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this. I really don't get how people don't understand this. Sting, Pope, and Nash are pretty much looking for the same thing for different reasons. They all have an issue with management, where Sting has the good/evil approach, Nash is about his spot, and Pope about getting disrespected. You know, all this talk of how confusing it is makes me feel smarter for understanding it all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2010 19:15:34 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there. The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett. Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this. I really don't get how people don't understand this. Sting, Pope, and Nash are pretty much looking for the same thing for different reasons. They all have an issue with management, where Sting has the good/evil approach, Nash is about his spot, and Pope about getting disrespected. You know, all this talk of how confusing it is makes me feel smarter for understanding it all. I love the fact that Sinister makes up his own reasons for things and then pretends the storylines aren't confusing. haha
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 18, 2010 19:34:36 GMT -5
I just hope they end this crap soon. Nash needs to GTFO. We need to know why Sting is a heel. Jarrett needs to stop being featured in angles and either just wrestle or stay backstage. Joe needs to be somewhere that he can shine.
It really goes to show how much TNA has lost their focus in the last few years. You had Joe, Styles, and Daniels tear the house down, main eventing PPV's back in 2005. Fast forward 5 years and they got rid of Daniels and are wasting Joe. I'm glad that they at least appreciate AJ as much as they do, but they really need to stop associating the good wrestlers with over the hill veterans. I know they think that they're getting Joe more over by associating him with Jarrett, Sting, and Nash...but they're doing the complete opposite.
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 18, 2010 20:12:05 GMT -5
When they had Sting take the World Title belt and go on about DECEPTION, I was interested in this. Sadly, TNA has run this storyline WAAAY too long. I stopped caring a long time ago. Adding Joe/Pope isn't going to change that. The payoff to this better be damn impressive.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 18, 2010 21:21:15 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there. The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett. Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this. I really don't get how people don't understand this. Sting, Pope, and Nash are pretty much looking for the same thing for different reasons. They all have an issue with management, where Sting has the good/evil approach, Nash is about his spot, and Pope about getting disrespected. You know, all this talk of how confusing it is makes me feel smarter for understanding it all. Same here. In some ways, it makes me love this storyline even more.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 18, 2010 21:36:39 GMT -5
When they had Sting take the World Title belt and go on about DECEPTION, I was interested in this. Sadly, TNA has run this storyline WAAAY too long. I stopped caring a long time ago. Adding Joe/Pope isn't going to change that. The payoff to this better be damn impressive. I agree completely. I was very interested during the RVD/Sting feud. Sadly TNA didn't stick with that as a feud, and instead involved every other old guy on the roster before basically abandoning it and never having the big payoff. Knowing TNA.
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Post by EJS on Sept 18, 2010 23:40:29 GMT -5
It would make more sense without Sting being involved. Sting should have continued on with Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie and there should have been some development there. The Nash/Jarrett feud actually DOES make sense if Sting is removed. Even Joe's involvement does work (as long as you can ignore when he was kidnapped like TNA has). I liked them bringing up that he was suspended and Nash working that into a theory that management cut him a deal on that for helping Jarrett. Now Pope... don't know what the f*** he's doing in this. I really don't get how people don't understand this. Sting, Pope, and Nash are pretty much looking for the same thing for different reasons. They all have an issue with management, where Sting has the good/evil approach, Nash is about his spot, and Pope about getting disrespected. You know, all this talk of how confusing it is makes me feel smarter for understanding it all. Pope has absolutely no legitimate reason to be upset with kayfabe management. He's featured often, and was put in the top 8 world title tournament. What does Sting gain being so sidetracked on Double J? When his beef is with Hogan/Bischoff (and maybe Dixie, a bit unclear if he was saying she's corrupt or just ignorant). Double J is way lower on the totem pole these days, go after the guys pulling the strings, not the puppet.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 19, 2010 6:20:33 GMT -5
It's like M. Night Shyamalan is writing this storyline. I'm waiting on the shocking twist that will ultimately disappoint. {Spoiler}Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, Sting, and Nash are working together secretly to take over TNA with the approval of Bob Carter. Deception.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 19, 2010 7:23:51 GMT -5
It's like M. Night Shyamalan is writing this storyline. I'm waiting on the shocking twist that will ultimately disappoint. {Spoiler}Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, Sting, and Nash are working together secretly to take over TNA with the approval of Bob Carter. Deception. I honestly half expect something like that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 9:20:54 GMT -5
I really don't get how people don't understand this. Sting, Pope, and Nash are pretty much looking for the same thing for different reasons. They all have an issue with management, where Sting has the good/evil approach, Nash is about his spot, and Pope about getting disrespected. You know, all this talk of how confusing it is makes me feel smarter for understanding it all. Pope has absolutely no legitimate reason to be upset with kayfabe management. He's featured often, and was put in the top 8 world title tournament. What does Sting gain being so sidetracked on Double J? When his beef is with Hogan/Bischoff (and maybe Dixie, a bit unclear if he was saying she's corrupt or just ignorant). Double J is way lower on the totem pole these days, go after the guys pulling the strings, not the puppet. Exactly - Pope is a main eventer in TNA, he constantly gets featured - what is he complaining about? On top of that, Jarrett and Bischoff on the same side!?! Just because Bischoff had some ridiculous face turn Jarrett supposed to not hold a grudge that he embarrassed and fired him? The story line isn't confusing in that people can't understand what's going on - it just doesn't makes sense in terms of character and story logic.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 9:35:31 GMT -5
Pope has absolutely no legitimate reason to be upset with kayfabe management. He's featured often, and was put in the top 8 world title tournament. What does Sting gain being so sidetracked on Double J? When his beef is with Hogan/Bischoff (and maybe Dixie, a bit unclear if he was saying she's corrupt or just ignorant). Double J is way lower on the totem pole these days, go after the guys pulling the strings, not the puppet. Exactly - Pope is a main eventer in TNA, he constantly gets featured - what is he complaining about? On top of that, Jarrett and Bischoff on the same side!?! Just because Bischoff had some ridiculous face turn Jarrett supposed to not hold a grudge that he embarrassed and fired him? The story line isn't confusing in that people can't understand what's going on - it just doesn't makes sense in terms of character and story logic. Pope got pissed after the Hardy/Angle announcement was made at the beginning, and he went to Bischoff over that, and also got pissed when he got told by Teschmacher that he left, the same issue Nash had when he tried to get to see them. It's pretty much the same issue everyone here though would hpen to Pope where he'd get abandoned, but in kayfabe. Also, Bischoff didn't fire Jarrett, he fired Foley. And even past that, Jarrett is focusing on Hogan more than Bischoff, just lumping him in since they were brought in together. The issue is that Nash has been going on about how Hogan is all about the power and for himself, and Jarrett has been telling Nash to prove it. Sting came in cause Nash has the same cause, Pope as well. Hogan cause he's the target of all them and Joe has the mercenary role or in it for the benefit of himself via Nash's way of thinking. Really, it makes sense, and it's all been on TV
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 9:38:19 GMT -5
Exactly - Pope is a main eventer in TNA, he constantly gets featured - what is he complaining about? On top of that, Jarrett and Bischoff on the same side!?! Just because Bischoff had some ridiculous face turn Jarrett supposed to not hold a grudge that he embarrassed and fired him? The story line isn't confusing in that people can't understand what's going on - it just doesn't makes sense in terms of character and story logic. Pope got pissed after the Hardy/Angle announcement was made at the beginning, and he went to Bischoff over that, and also got pissed when he got told by Teschmacher that he left, the same issue Nash had when he tried to get to see them. It's pretty much the same issue everyone here though would hpen to Pope where he'd get abandoned, but in kayfabe. Also, Bischoff didn't fire Jarrett, he fired Foley. And even past that, Jarrett is focusing on Hogan more than Bischoff, just lumping him in since they were brought in together. The issue is that Nash has been going on about how Hogan is all about the power and for himself, and Jarrett has been telling Nash to prove it. Sting came in cause Nash has the same cause, Pope as well. Hogan cause he's the target of all them and Joe has the mercenary role or in it for the benefit of himself via Nash's way of thinking. Really, it makes sense, and it's all been on TV You're right - he EMBARASSED Jeff thoroughly, but again - we're not supposed to remember that? So Nash and Pope are mad because they can't figure out how to SCHEDULE A MEETING?!?!? And how is that the same as Sting's cause? Because we have NO idea what Sting's motivation is at this point other than someone is being deceived. No man, it makes no sense. Hell man, even the announcers said they have no idea what's going on with this story.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 10:22:52 GMT -5
Pope got pissed after the Hardy/Angle announcement was made at the beginning, and he went to Bischoff over that, and also got pissed when he got told by Teschmacher that he left, the same issue Nash had when he tried to get to see them. It's pretty much the same issue everyone here though would hpen to Pope where he'd get abandoned, but in kayfabe. Also, Bischoff didn't fire Jarrett, he fired Foley. And even past that, Jarrett is focusing on Hogan more than Bischoff, just lumping him in since they were brought in together. The issue is that Nash has been going on about how Hogan is all about the power and for himself, and Jarrett has been telling Nash to prove it. Sting came in cause Nash has the same cause, Pope as well. Hogan cause he's the target of all them and Joe has the mercenary role or in it for the benefit of himself via Nash's way of thinking. Really, it makes sense, and it's all been on TV You're right - he EMBARASSED Jeff thoroughly, but again - we're not supposed to remember that? So Nash and Pope are mad because they can't figure out how to SCHEDULE A MEETING?!?!? And how is that the same as Sting's cause? Because we have NO idea what Sting's motivation is at this point other than someone is being deceived. No man, it makes no sense. Hell man, even the announcers said they have no idea what's going on with this story. First off, yeah, Jarrett got embarrassed by Bischoff, but still got back at him after the guitar concert and Eric pretty much cut the crap after Hogan made sure he wasn't losing control. It's how JJ got his music and theme back. Plus, as I mentioned, this is about Hogan himself, with Bischoff as more of a hanger on. Secondly, it's more than a meeting that made Pope and Nash mad. The reasons they wanted the meeting in the first place are still there. It wasn't like they were happy and then just decided to see management. Nash has issues with the concept of stepping aside off his spot without someone facing him for it, and Pope was mad at the aftermath of No Surrender, how Hardy, Angle and Anderson are moving on and he was left behind. and Lastly, Sting's cause isn't as unknown as you might think it is. Really, we know he has issues with Hogan & Co, we know he has talked about Deception, and we know how he's gone after those that support them. Pretty much the same things that were used for Nash. The only thing that isn't answered is the proof, as to why Sting would believe it, why Nash is saying all the things about Hogan. That's what the announcers bring up, where they keep asking for proof and keep asking for Sting and Nash to give proof instead of just going after Jarrett and Hogan.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 19, 2010 10:27:01 GMT -5
If you have to put this much thought into a single storyline containing a bunch of oldtimers, Joe, and the Pope... yeah it sucks.
I can't imagine any good wrestling matches coming out of this, nobody getting over moreso than when it began, and it keeps two genuinely talented wrestlers out of possibly better feuds.
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