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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 10:30:37 GMT -5
You're right - he EMBARASSED Jeff thoroughly, but again - we're not supposed to remember that? So Nash and Pope are mad because they can't figure out how to SCHEDULE A MEETING?!?!? And how is that the same as Sting's cause? Because we have NO idea what Sting's motivation is at this point other than someone is being deceived. No man, it makes no sense. Hell man, even the announcers said they have no idea what's going on with this story. First off, yeah, Jarrett got embarrassed by Bischoff, but still got back at him after the guitar concert and Eric pretty much cut the crap after Hogan made sure he wasn't losing control. It's how JJ got his music and theme back. Plus, as I mentioned, this is about Hogan himself, with Bischoff as more of a hanger on. Secondly, it's more than a meeting that made Pope and Nash mad. The reasons they wanted the meeting in the first place are still there. It wasn't like they were happy and then just decided to see management. Nash has issues with the concept of stepping aside off his spot without someone facing him for it, and Pope was mad at the aftermath of No Surrender, how Hardy, Angle and Anderson are moving on and he was left behind. and Lastly, Sting's cause isn't as unknown as you might think it is. Really, we know he has issues with Hogan & Co, we know he has talked about Deception, and we know how he's gone after those that support them. Pretty much the same things that were used for Nash. The only thing that isn't answered is the proof, as to why Sting would believe it, why Nash is saying all the things about Hogan. That's what the announcers bring up, where they keep asking for proof and keep asking for Sting and Nash to give proof instead of just going after Jarrett and Hogan. We still know nothing about Sting's motivation. He has issues with Hogan (though he hasn't said what) and that Deception is involved (though he hasn't elaborated at all) and that he's going after those who support Hogan (and he hasn't said why). A big part of the "story" is how Sting's motivations are really unknown. And so Pope is mad because he's "being left behind"? What does that even mean? He lost the match - he didn't get left behind. So basically Nash and Sting's motivations are shrouded in mystery and Pope's are nonsensical.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 10:35:12 GMT -5
If you have to put this much thought into a single storyline containing a bunch of oldtimers, Joe, and the Pope... yeah it sucks. I don't see where anyone has to put so much thought. Everything I mentioned was on iMPACT, which you should be watching in the first place to actually get it. Nothing's hidden or needs further examination, they say it all outright.
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Post by El Hijo De Slapnuts on Sept 19, 2010 10:55:42 GMT -5
THis storyline confuses me,it stopped making sense a while ago,it's the snack break!
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 11:17:43 GMT -5
First off, yeah, Jarrett got embarrassed by Bischoff, but still got back at him after the guitar concert and Eric pretty much cut the crap after Hogan made sure he wasn't losing control. It's how JJ got his music and theme back. Plus, as I mentioned, this is about Hogan himself, with Bischoff as more of a hanger on. Secondly, it's more than a meeting that made Pope and Nash mad. The reasons they wanted the meeting in the first place are still there. It wasn't like they were happy and then just decided to see management. Nash has issues with the concept of stepping aside off his spot without someone facing him for it, and Pope was mad at the aftermath of No Surrender, how Hardy, Angle and Anderson are moving on and he was left behind. and Lastly, Sting's cause isn't as unknown as you might think it is. Really, we know he has issues with Hogan & Co, we know he has talked about Deception, and we know how he's gone after those that support them. Pretty much the same things that were used for Nash. The only thing that isn't answered is the proof, as to why Sting would believe it, why Nash is saying all the things about Hogan. That's what the announcers bring up, where they keep asking for proof and keep asking for Sting and Nash to give proof instead of just going after Jarrett and Hogan. We still know nothing about Sting's motivation. He has issues with Hogan (though he hasn't said what) and that Deception is involved (though he hasn't elaborated at all) and that he's going after those who support Hogan (and he hasn't said why). A big part of the "story" is how Sting's motivations are really unknown. And so Pope is mad because he's "being left behind"? What does that even mean? He lost the match - he didn't get left behind. So basically Nash and Sting's motivations are shrouded in mystery and Pope's are nonsensical. Pope was mad since he had lost the match, yet they were throwing Angle and Hardy in after theirs. You saw it on TV, with Pope flipping out after the opening segment. And without going into spoilers here, it goes into more than that. Really, I don't know what else to say here. It has not been complicated on Tv, yet people still found a way to find it that.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Sept 19, 2010 12:02:12 GMT -5
We still know nothing about Sting's motivation. He has issues with Hogan (though he hasn't said what) and that Deception is involved (though he hasn't elaborated at all) and that he's going after those who support Hogan (and he hasn't said why). A big part of the "story" is how Sting's motivations are really unknown. And so Pope is mad because he's "being left behind"? What does that even mean? He lost the match - he didn't get left behind. So basically Nash and Sting's motivations are shrouded in mystery and Pope's are nonsensical. Pope was mad since he had lost the match, yet they were throwing Angle and Hardy in after theirs. You saw it on TV, with Pope flipping out after the opening segment. And without going into spoilers here, it goes into more than that. Really, I don't know what else to say here. It has not been complicated on Tv, yet people still found a way to find it that. I gotta say, what you're saying makes 100% logical sense. It's just...I don't think TNA is displaying it well enough for everyone to understand.
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Post by dantheman on Sept 19, 2010 12:07:38 GMT -5
Im seriously starting to believe sinister is Vince Russo
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 12:11:32 GMT -5
Im seriously starting to believe sinister is Vince Russo You know, it's really disheartening when you're considering a troll for going the equivalent of "it's not that bad".
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Post by Pseudonym on Sept 19, 2010 12:39:56 GMT -5
My honest reaction to this entire angle is Dixie Carters blank face.. (AKA All her facial expressions)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 13:22:57 GMT -5
We still know nothing about Sting's motivation. He has issues with Hogan (though he hasn't said what) and that Deception is involved (though he hasn't elaborated at all) and that he's going after those who support Hogan (and he hasn't said why). A big part of the "story" is how Sting's motivations are really unknown. And so Pope is mad because he's "being left behind"? What does that even mean? He lost the match - he didn't get left behind. So basically Nash and Sting's motivations are shrouded in mystery and Pope's are nonsensical. Pope was mad since he had lost the match, yet they were throwing Angle and Hardy in after theirs. You saw it on TV, with Pope flipping out after the opening segment. And without going into spoilers here, it goes into more than that. Really, I don't know what else to say here. It has not been complicated on Tv, yet people still found a way to find it that. Yeah because Hardy & Angle's match went to convoluted draw - Pope just lost his. His motivations don't make any sense. Just like Sting's and Nash's don't. Its just a poorly thought out storyline.
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Post by EJS on Sept 19, 2010 15:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that pope flipped out and stuff. Just saying... he didn't have a reason to, it's just a random "we're turning this character into a paranoid heel because we ran out of things to do with him".
Still don't get why Sting should be bothering with Jarrett. He hasn't gotten any closer to SHOWING US THE TRUTH since he got suspended by Dixie. He came back and now he barely interacts with Hogan and Bischoff and instead fights their footsoldiers, Jarrett and now Joe.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 19, 2010 16:24:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that pope flipped out and stuff. Just saying... he didn't have a reason to, it's just a random "we're turning this character into a paranoid heel because we ran out of things to do with him". Still don't get why Sting should be bothering with Jarrett. He hasn't gotten any closer to SHOWING US THE TRUTH since he got suspended by Dixie. He came back and now he barely interacts with Hogan and Bischoff and instead fights their footsoldiers, Jarrett and now Joe. Pope was pissed after losing to Anderson, especially since he has some heat with him stemming from his attack, as well as Anderson's sudden face turn after Hardy's defeat of Anderson. So, he's pissed that he's gone on to this thing, with the supposed blessing of Hogan and Co with the tournament. Plus, it's not acting like he needs to be believed, as Jarrett had the same response people had here where they wonder what he means. And speaking of Jarrett, I wouldn't think to call Jarrett and Joe foot soldiers to avoid dealing with Hogan and Bischoff. They were dealing with Hogan since the beginning. Besides, Hogan himself isn't around to wrestle anymore (but will if he wants to) and Bischoff's not a wrestler. Really, it's not Sting and Nash going after those guys to avoid facing Hogan, but that those guys are stopping them from doing it.
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Post by Shazam on Sept 19, 2010 16:46:30 GMT -5
Well, a thought.
A)I firmly believe that originally "THEM" was supposed to be Paul Heyman and whoever. Now that it has fallen through, they're going to have to rewrite the script while in the middle of it.
I don't see how it can be anyone else at this point except Sting & Nash.
Conversely, if they REALLY wanted to dig deep, when Samoa Joe was kidnapped right around the inception of the Hogan Era, he cut a POW style promo claiming "THEY" were taking over. I believe this has been addressed in other threads.
They have Joe hang around Jarrett for a few weeks then turn on him. Abyss reveals "THEY" to be Sting & Nash, Joe joins up, and you have this group of 4 well established guys running amok. Main angle: Hogan & Bischoff have to go. Since Hogan & Bischoff are faces, they are the heels.
However, they may let Sting & Nash run their mouth and steal some face heat like they did in the MEM. I think this also represents Sting's & Nash's last runs with the company each, so expect them to get some face time in their swan song. Abyss will be the standard bearer, and might even grab the strap, but they will be around.
I dunno, I don't really see how this can be booked properly at this point, the window of opprotunity passed on this two or three months ago. But, that's my guess, so if you're bored of it now, just wait a little bit, and it'll get a lot worse...
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Post by EJS on Sept 19, 2010 18:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that pope flipped out and stuff. Just saying... he didn't have a reason to, it's just a random "we're turning this character into a paranoid heel because we ran out of things to do with him". Still don't get why Sting should be bothering with Jarrett. He hasn't gotten any closer to SHOWING US THE TRUTH since he got suspended by Dixie. He came back and now he barely interacts with Hogan and Bischoff and instead fights their footsoldiers, Jarrett and now Joe. Pope was pissed after losing to Anderson, especially since he has some heat with him stemming from his attack, as well as Anderson's sudden face turn after Hardy's defeat of Anderson. So, he's pissed that he's gone on to this thing, with the supposed blessing of Hogan and Co with the tournament. Plus, it's not acting like he needs to be believed, as Jarrett had the same response people had here where they wonder what he means. And speaking of Jarrett, I wouldn't think to call Jarrett and Joe foot soldiers to avoid dealing with Hogan and Bischoff. They were dealing with Hogan since the beginning. Besides, Hogan himself isn't around to wrestle anymore (but will if he wants to) and Bischoff's not a wrestler. Really, it's not Sting and Nash going after those guys to avoid facing Hogan, but that those guys are stopping them from doing it. Yeah I get that Jarrett is pretty much there to deflect Stings attention away from whatever his mission really is, problem is he's doing too good a job at that. Sting hasn't accomplished jack shit in a long while. By the time he tells us what all the DECEPTION is, it will be too late and TNA will be taken over completely!
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 19, 2010 22:32:41 GMT -5
There is no defending this storyline. At all. It's at Lost levels of "where are they going with this?" the storyline has been going on for months, and we don't actually know WHY what's happening is happening at ALL. So we're just watching the storyline unfold mindlessly, with no explanation for what's happening. Which would be fine if it were just wrestling matches, but it's supposed to be this complex story arc involving all of TNA, with only cryptic, esoteric promos to explain everyone involved's motives.
Let's review, shall we?
Sting turns heel, almost SIX MONTHS ago, for reasons unexplained. He seems to have some issue with Hogan, Bischoff and management, and is taking up the fight against them, talking about "deception"...but not actually explaining what he's talking about.
Then Jarrett gets sucked into it, for whatever reason, defending Hogan and Bischoff, both of whom he was feuding with at the start of the Hogan/Bischoff era. But whatever, he's defending the honor of TNA, I can accept that...even though that's supposedly what Sting is doing, so Jarrett should be with Sting. And Sting is too busy with Jarrett to even focus on Hogan, who is, if I remember, his main focus. But he might not be. Or he might, after all. yeeeaah....
Then Nash joins up with Sting, and talks about how they're fighting "the good fight", without explaining what the "good fight" is, why he's with Sting, or what the hell anyone is talking about.
Then Joe comes back from suspension after being kidnapped by ninjas (which was never explained). Having big issues with management himself, Joe decides to...help management in thier fight against the renegades Sting and Nash, while everyone remains clueless why these alliances are beng formed in the first place. Meanwhile, Jarrett trashes Joe on Reaction while praising Nash and Sting, further deepening the mystery as to what's happening here and who we should cheer for and WHAT EVRYONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT LETTING US IN ON. And this is supposed to be a MAJOR storyline on TNA.
Don't even get me started on turning Pope heel when he should be the face in the Anderson feud, how hs reasoning for being heel is completely nonsensical, how him BEING a heel is completely nonsensical, and WHY he's aligned with Nash and Sting's purpose.
MAINLY BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT NASH AND STING'S PURPOSE IS.
ugh.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 20, 2010 0:19:02 GMT -5
There is no defending this storyline. At all. It's at Lost levels of "where are they going with this?" the storyline has been going on for months, and we don't actually know WHY what's happening is happening at ALL. So we're just watching the storyline unfold mindlessly, with no explanation for what's happening. Which would be fine if it were just wrestling matches, but it's supposed to be this complex story arc involving all of TNA, with only cryptic, esoteric promos to explain everyone involved's motives. Let's review, shall we? Sting turns heel, almost SIX MONTHS ago, for reasons unexplained. He seems to have some issue with Hogan, Bischoff and management, and is taking up the fight against them, talking about "deception"...but not actually explaining what he's talking about. Then Jarrett gets sucked into it, for whatever reason, defending Hogan and Bischoff, both of whom he was feuding with at the start of the Hogan/Bischoff era. But whatever, he's defending the honor of TNA, I can accept that...even though that's supposedly what Sting is doing, so Jarrett should be with Sting. And Sting is too busy with Jarrett to even focus on Hogan, who is, if I remember, his main focus. But he might not be. Or he might, after all. yeeeaah.... Then Nash joins up with Sting, and talks about how they're fighting "the good fight", without explaining what the "good fight" is, why he's with Sting, or what the hell anyone is talking about. Then Joe comes back from suspension after being kidnapped by ninjas (which was never explained). Having big issues with management himself, Joe decides to...help management in thier fight against the renegades Sting and Nash, while everyone remains clueless why these alliances are beng formed in the first place. Meanwhile, Jarrett trashes Joe on Reaction while praising Nash and Sting, further deepening the mystery as to what's happening here and who we should cheer for and WHAT EVRYONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT LETTING US IN ON. And this is supposed to be a MAJOR storyline on TNA. Don't even get me started on turning Pope heel when he should be the face in the Anderson feud, how hs reasoning for being heel is completely nonsensical, how him BEING a heel is completely nonsensical, and WHY he's aligned with Nash and Sting's purpose. MAINLY BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT NASH AND STING'S PURPOSE IS. ugh. Now you're just making things up. 1. Sting's reasoning is pretty much right there. It's a mistrust in Hogan and Bischoff. 2. Jarrett didn't just start backing Hogan and Bisch for the hell of it. Yeah, he was pissed off at the beginning, but he apologized afterwards. He was cool with Hogan, but not with Bisch until Hogan pretty much set him straight over his little ego trip with JJ. After that was when JJ started going after Sting. And, really, JJ was made an example of by Sting when he went after his arm, so you'd think it'd be enough reason to be pissed off at a guy around here. 3. Nash has explained the good fight, stopping Hogan and Bisch and revealing the true nature they have. 4. If you wanna go with Joe's reason to joining this thing, it's cause it's setting him up to go after the title again. If you go with Nash's, it's to get in with management to get himself made 5, JARRETT NEVER BURIED JOE AND PRAISED NASH AND STING! I don't know what interview you frigging saw on Reaction, but that wasn't it at all. He pretty much said the reason Sting and Nash are in the same place cause of their connections, while Joe didn't have that benefit. I've already talked enough about Pope, and I'm sick of repeating myself. You know what, keep being confused and complain for all I care. I'll done. I'll be somewhere else, actually understanding it and not letting all the overanalyzing and overthinking get in my way of enjoying it.
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Post by BlahBlah on Sept 20, 2010 0:22:13 GMT -5
There is no defending this storyline. At all. It's at Lost levels of "where are they going with this?" the storyline has been going on for months, and we don't actually know WHY what's happening is happening at ALL. So we're just watching the storyline unfold mindlessly, with no explanation for what's happening. Which would be fine if it were just wrestling matches, but it's supposed to be this complex story arc involving all of TNA, with only cryptic, esoteric promos to explain everyone involved's motives. Let's review, shall we? Sting turns heel, almost SIX MONTHS ago, for reasons unexplained. He seems to have some issue with Hogan, Bischoff and management, and is taking up the fight against them, talking about "deception"...but not actually explaining what he's talking about. Then Jarrett gets sucked into it, for whatever reason, defending Hogan and Bischoff, both of whom he was feuding with at the start of the Hogan/Bischoff era. But whatever, he's defending the honor of TNA, I can accept that...even though that's supposedly what Sting is doing, so Jarrett should be with Sting. And Sting is too busy with Jarrett to even focus on Hogan, who is, if I remember, his main focus. But he might not be. Or he might, after all. yeeeaah.... Then Nash joins up with Sting, and talks about how they're fighting "the good fight", without explaining what the "good fight" is, why he's with Sting, or what the hell anyone is talking about. Then Joe comes back from suspension after being kidnapped by ninjas (which was never explained). Having big issues with management himself, Joe decides to...help management in thier fight against the renegades Sting and Nash, while everyone remains clueless why these alliances are beng formed in the first place. Meanwhile, Jarrett trashes Joe on Reaction while praising Nash and Sting, further deepening the mystery as to what's happening here and who we should cheer for and WHAT EVRYONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT LETTING US IN ON. And this is supposed to be a MAJOR storyline on TNA. Don't even get me started on turning Pope heel when he should be the face in the Anderson feud, how hs reasoning for being heel is completely nonsensical, how him BEING a heel is completely nonsensical, and WHY he's aligned with Nash and Sting's purpose. MAINLY BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT NASH AND STING'S PURPOSE IS. ugh. First of all, kickass summary. Much appreciated. Second of all, there is a major fundamental problem if the angle needs this much explanation. It's wrestling. Not Science.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 9:19:58 GMT -5
What's worse is that the whole crux of the angle is the "mystery" of Sting's mistrust of Hogan, however for the angle to have any legs at all - they'd have to reveal what that is upfront so people know what's going on.
This has been a dead angle since its inception.
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