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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 26, 2010 14:10:45 GMT -5
Nobody complained about Orton's angle because a lot of people didn't know exactly how damaging concussions were back then. They weren't a hot-button issue back then. People know a lot more now. That is the problem................it is such a hot button topic now. With all the knowledge that we now have, doing an angle where a man with a concussion is being forced to wrestle is sort of tasteless.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Oct 26, 2010 14:18:55 GMT -5
Since TNA is tackling topical yet controversial topics like concussions, I can't wait for them do wrestling related storylines of the following: -Abortion -Gay Marriage -Don't Ask, Don't Tell -Steroid Abuse -Incest -Racism -Religious Discrimination -Alcoholism I think they are working on the gay marriage(OJ-EY), steroid abuse(Rob Terry, Mr Pectacular), and I can see the Pope being in a dual racism/religious discrimination angle with Bischoff
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 26, 2010 14:33:41 GMT -5
Since TNA is tackling topical yet controversial topics like concussions, I can't wait for them do wrestling related storylines of the following: -Abortion -Gay Marriage -Don't Ask, Don't Tell -Steroid Abuse -Incest -Racism -Religious Discrimination -Alcoholism WWE has 'em beat except on abortion, roids (in storyline terms), & Don't Ask. Russo already has incest under his belt, and McMahon nearly did.
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Post by The QC Loser on Oct 26, 2010 15:03:29 GMT -5
The easiest way to always look at wrestling angles is easy. If the heel is the one endorsing it it is bad. If the face is endorsing it then it is good. There you go that is it. The Imortals are the heels therefor them having Anderson wrestle hurt is just them doing the heelish move of giving themselves the advantage. Now adding the concusion to it is just trying to capitalize on current events. I would think the hurt (broken??) arm would be more than enough but oh well.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 26, 2010 15:33:27 GMT -5
So everyone's up in arms about TNA doing this concussion angle, but when WWE did it with McIntyre dropping Hardy on his head every chance he got for weeks earlier this year no-one said anything? At least Anderson didn't end up actually wrestling. The angle actually seems interesting to me. you forgot Randy Orton punting guys in the head too. But hey.....that's perfectly ok. With McIntyre/Hardy, I wasn't watching Smackdown at the time so I did not and cannot comment on it. With Orton, other than Trips, everytime someone was punt kicked, it was treated as a huge deal and something serious. It wasn't joked about.
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Post by comahan on Oct 26, 2010 15:50:56 GMT -5
you forgot Randy Orton punting guys in the head too. But hey.....that's perfectly ok. With McIntyre/Hardy, I wasn't watching Smackdown at the time so I did not and cannot comment on it. With Orton, other than Trips, everytime someone was punt kicked, it was treated as a huge deal and something serious. It wasn't joked about. I certainly dont think theyre joking about it, or they wouldnt have had several people go to Bischoff and try and talk him out of doing it, or a heel who's done his share of terrible things over the past year treat it as serious as it seems he treated it. I think theres just as good an argument to be made that this is a promotion of safety as it is that its treating the matter lightly. Seeing how everyone reacts to the audacity of super heel Bischoff's ruling will show anyone not up to date with the whole concussion deal just how seriously most people take something like that.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 26, 2010 15:53:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll freely admit that I could be wrong at it will come off a lot better (and I really hope it does), this just being such a touchy subject it and with how over the top TNA gets with things, I worry that they will take this over the top as well.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2010 15:54:20 GMT -5
I think this concussion storyline is just a way TNA wants viewers to tune in to watch. I remember Bischoff said that they were going to start doing some controversial things. Dixie called Eric a smug s*** and was uncensored. J-WOWW makes an appearance. Jeff Hardy turns heel. The softcore lesbian duo of Madison and Tara.This the latest attempt to bring in ratings. Sometime in the near future, one of the Knockouts is going to be topless in the ring.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 26, 2010 15:58:23 GMT -5
I think this concussion storyline is just a way TNA wants viewers to tune in to watch. I remember Bischoff said that they were going to start doing some controversial things. Dixie called Eric a smug s*** and was uncensored. J-WOWW makes an appearance. Jeff Hardy turns heel. The softcore lesbian duo of Madison and Tara.This the latest attempt to bring in ratings. Sometime in the near future, one of the Knockouts is going to be topless in the ring. TNA's been there, done that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2010 16:19:35 GMT -5
I think this concussion storyline is just a way TNA wants viewers to tune in to watch. I remember Bischoff said that they were going to start doing some controversial things. Dixie called Eric a smug s*** and was uncensored. J-WOWW makes an appearance. Jeff Hardy turns heel. The softcore lesbian duo of Madison and Tara.This the latest attempt to bring in ratings. Sometime in the near future, one of the Knockouts is going to be topless in the ring. TNA's been there, done that. On Spike not ppv. TNA barely talks about the Lollipop incident. But I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't do it there again. And not another Awesome Kong's boob slip. I almost got that image out of my head.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 26, 2010 17:47:06 GMT -5
The only thing I can figure is that Morgan was momentarily insane at the point where he attacked Hernandez. After all he was doing his whole Eddie Brock "We" gimmick at that point, and now he seems more or less lucid. Maybe he was acting nuts due to having a concussion of his own? Maybe when he was doing the "we" gimmick, he had just forgotten to take his 'vitamins' & now he's taking them again.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 26, 2010 17:56:57 GMT -5
"Let's be really concerned about Anderson's real concussion and play that up but let's ignore Eric Young's fake concussion and brain trauma because he's funny!" That's my gripe with it. Fake concussions are fake and funny because it's wrestling but real concussions are really real and not funny. I'm pretty sure that Anderson doesn't have a concussion, I think it's just a gash.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Oct 26, 2010 18:13:30 GMT -5
Since TNA is tackling topical yet controversial topics like concussions, I can't wait for them do wrestling related storylines of the following: -Abortion -Gay Marriage -Don't Ask, Don't Tell -Steroid Abuse -Incest -Racism -Religious Discrimination -Alcoholism Yea, the WWE's got them beat on alot of those topics -gay marriage (billy and Chuck) -Steroid abuse (Triple H teasing Chris Masters) -Racism (White boy challenge, Benjamin feeling he was being discriminated because he's black) -Religious Discrimination (vince vs God) Alcoholism (Road Warrior Hawk) They almost had incest with The Burchills, and of course, Vince being the father of Stephanie's baby.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2010 18:19:15 GMT -5
Since TNA is tackling topical yet controversial topics like concussions, I can't wait for them do wrestling related storylines of the following: -Abortion -Gay Marriage -Don't Ask, Don't Tell -Steroid Abuse -Incest -Racism -Religious Discrimination -Alcoholism Yea, the WWE's got them beat on alot of those topics -gay marriage (billy and Chuck) -Steroid abuse (Triple H teasing Chris Masters) -Racism (White boy challenge, Benjamin feeling he was being discriminated because he's black) -Religious Discrimination (vince vs God) Alcoholism (Road Warrior Hawk) They almost had incest with The Burchills, and of course, Vince being the father of Stephanie's baby. I want to see TNA's versions of these things because lord knows redoing something WWE has done before haven't stop them before. I want to see if they really willing to cross the line.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Oct 26, 2010 18:36:31 GMT -5
Okay, so it's kind of shocking that they're using the concussion stuff for an angle.
But am I the only one who thinks that this is a brilliant way to turn a guy? I mean, Benoit may be the main connection being invoked, but there's more to concussions in this business than simply Benoit, and there's nothing inherently tasteless about a guy standing up for a colleague who is being forced into a situation that, on its face, IS tasteless and cruel.
It's one of the few angles where there can be no equivocation about the face being 100% right, and 100% good for standing up like he does. If this were John Cena standing up for somebody booked into a match with a concussion, I can't imagine that even the smarkiest of smarks in the crowd would boo him because, say what you will, anyone who would force someone to wrestle with a concussion is a TOTAL HEEL, while anyone standing up so that the concussed party wouldn't have to be in that situation is a TOTAL FACE, with no ambiguity whatsoever.
God help me, but I like it.
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Post by flatsdomino on Oct 26, 2010 20:47:35 GMT -5
I actually like it, and I hate 95% of what TNA does nowadays. It's like a "Very Special Episode" of TNA where they tackle a hot-button issue and warn against it. Bischoff is like the "cool guy" in high school telling all the kids nothing's wrong with the "special pills" he's selling them. All that's missing is Morgan stepping in front of the screen out of character after the show to warn against playing/wrestling with a concussion and tell us some sort of hotline or organization you can contact.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Oct 27, 2010 9:20:21 GMT -5
And frankly, Morgan being the one to do that makes it even better, 'cause he's a guy who doesn't really have a problem with causing a concussion, and yet even he isn't down with someone wrestling while suffering from one. I'm not sure how that makes sense though. So causing blantantly causing someone a concussion with a boot to the head and into a ringpost, laughing about it, gloating about, saying he would gladly do it again and attempt to do it to another wrestler - okay. Asking someone to wrestle with a concussion - not okay? It just doesn't make sense. You may not understand how it makes sense... but it does. There's a difference between wanting to hurt someone and put that person on the shelf for a while, and wanting to see a hurt person get into the ring and possibly die because they're not taking care of their injury and are risking it getting worse. Morgan clearly has no problem with the first if it suits his agenda, but is apparently not comfortable at all with the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 10:38:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure how that makes sense though. So causing blantantly causing someone a concussion with a boot to the head and into a ringpost, laughing about it, gloating about, saying he would gladly do it again and attempt to do it to another wrestler - okay. Asking someone to wrestle with a concussion - not okay? It just doesn't make sense. You may not understand how it makes sense... but it does. There's a difference between wanting to hurt someone and put that person on the shelf for a while, and wanting to see a hurt person get into the ring and possibly die because they're not taking care of their injury and are risking it getting worse. Morgan clearly has no problem with the first if it suits his agenda, but is apparently not comfortable at all with the latter. It still doesn't make sense. I'm not a doctor, but giving someone a concussion on purpose after a match seems equally as dangerous as having them wrestle with a concussion.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Oct 27, 2010 11:40:14 GMT -5
If you can't see the difference between the two, then I don't know what to tell you, as it can be reduced to a pretty simple formula. Causing a concussion = bad; causing a concussion + forcing someone to keep competing = worse. Someone can have no qualms about doing something bad but still have reservations about something that is worse, and that's a perfectly believable and sensible occurrence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 11:42:07 GMT -5
If you can't see the difference between the two, then I don't know what to tell you, as it can be reduced to a pretty simple formula. Causing a concussion = bad; causing a concussion + forcing someone to keep competing = worse. Someone can have no qualms about doing something bad but still have reservations about something that is worse, and that's a perfectly believable and sensible occurrence. I think we'll have to agree to disagree with you on this one. I understand what you're saying, but don't agree that it fits with the continuity of the character they've created thus far and will chalk it up to "creative liberties" by the writers.
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