Creative has nothing for _______

[Red Impact]

There really seems to be the default reason whenever we here a wrestler let go.

Honestly, I've rarely bought this as a reason for letting a wrestler go. There's a rare instance like when they brought back Slick, but otherwise I think it's just the least controversial way to get rid of a performer that the management has an issue with in some way.

All the stories from former writers in the company just give me doubt that the people who seem to have one of the worst jobs in the company actually have so much influence that they could get a guy fired if others actually wanted him there.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

I've always wondered why it's the wrestler who gets fired when "creative" "has nothing for them"

Surely it's "creatives" job to erm, be creative and actually think of something for a wrestler to do. If they can't do it then get shot of the "creative" team and don't punish the wrestler for their mistakes.

[thuschongswing]

I wouldn't doubt at all it's the real reason, for the simple fact that WWE Creative can literally be THAT incompetent.

All the stories from former writers in the company just give me doubt that the people who seem to have one of the worst jobs in the company actually have so much influence that they could get a guy fired if others actually wanted him there.

To give you an idea how bad this is, they have more power than John Cena, the face of the company himself. Imagine if we had a similar kind of 'caste system' (for lack of a better term) in the days of Stone Cold...we'd be talking about WCW right now.

[Indifference Abounds]

Dec 24, 2010 10:15:33 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

I've always wondered why it's the wrestler who gets fired when "creative" "has nothing for them"

Surely it's "creatives" job to erm, be creative and actually think of something for a wrestler to do. If they can't do it then get shot of the "creative" team and don't punish the wrestler for their mistakes.

I've got to agree with this, really.

If creative has "nothing" for a superstar, why not just limit their appearances or put them on Superstars until you either have some ideas for them or another member of the roster becomes available for a feud. If you think the guy has potential, and a future in your company, why let go of him just because you're not sure how to use him at that point?

When you're got a roster as thin as Smackdown's and your writers are having difficulty coming up with ideas for some of your superstars, doesn't it make more sense to bring in more/new writers than drop the guys they can't provide for?

[Ryback on a Pole!]

I've never understood why creative struggle to come up with storylines for wrestlers.

It's not hard.

Take Curt Hawkins, he's a cocky guy so give him a mini push where he starts using someone elses finisher. Maybe Kofi's Trouble in Paradise (Curts an agile guy so I'm sure he can pull it off. . .Plus Kofi is actually the only mid-card face who people care about so I had to use him as an example) He uses it as a finisher for a while, Kofi gets pissed off about Curt stealing his move and presto, instead mid-card feud and exposure for Curt.

I wrote that in under a minute. I know it's not perfect but surely creative, given the amount of time they've got can think of storylines and feuds for guys on the roster. It honestly can't be all that difficult.

I've seen posters on here write some excellant storylines and feuds. If guys on here can do it then surely a bunch of folks who get paid to write storylines should be able too. I can't remember who it was but one poster here wrote an excellant way of how the Barret vs Cena match should end which turned out to sound way better than what the WWE did.

[Remix]

I think in some cases it's more like Creative come up with ideas that fit an existing plan (e.g. push Dolph Ziggler) and it's more a case of someone like Kaval not fitting into any of the planned things so any ideas that creative may have had for him went to other people.

[skraleth]

Dec 24, 2010 10:34:57 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

I've never understood why creative struggle to come up with storylines for wrestlers.

It's not hard.

Take Curt Hawkins, he's a cocky guy so give him a mini push where he starts using someone elses finisher. Maybe Kofi's Trouble in Paradise (Curts an agile guy so I'm sure he can pull it off. . .Plus Kofi is actually the only mid-card face who people care about so I had to use him as an example) He uses it as a finisher for a while, Kofi gets pissed off about Curt stealing his move and presto, instead mid-card feud and exposure for Curt.

I wrote that in under a minute. I know it's not perfect but surely creative, given the amount of time they've got can think of storylines and feuds for guys on the roster. It honestly can't be all that difficult.

I've seen posters on here write some excellant storylines and feuds. If guys on here can do it then surely a bunch of folks who get paid to write storylines should be able too.

It's one of the things I always find weird with stuff like this, I know its easy to play armchair booker at times but coming up with fueds really doesnt seem hard to me. Like you say people on here come up with good ideas all the time and I don't get why its remotely difficult to stick 2 people in a fued to get them some air time and to get the crowd to care. The kaval thing for instance why not just have him fued with any of the SD! heels that are sat about doing nothing instand of the random jobbing.

[Red Impact]

Dec 24, 2010 10:24:45 GMT -5 thuschongswing said:

I wouldn't doubt at all it's the real reason, for the simple fact that WWE Creative can literally be THAT incompetent.

All the stories from former writers in the company just give me doubt that the people who seem to have one of the worst jobs in the company actually have so much influence that they could get a guy fired if others actually wanted him there.

To give you an idea how bad this is, they have more power than John Cena, the face of the company himself. Imagine if we had a similar kind of 'caste system' (for lack of a better term) in the days of Stone Cold...we'd be talking about WCW right now.

I don't get where that notion that they're all that powerful comes from.

Certain members sure, the McMahons, the head bookers, those are the people who have always had the power. But for all the writers who aren't even allowed to have a snack in a 10 hour teleconference? If the creative department said that John Cena was changing his gimmick and becoming a fighting pilgrim who was teleported through time to the 21st century, there's no way he'd be getting it. Cena would laugh in their faces and the idea would be scrapped.

But the stories that floated around from former writers indicated that they had no power. They were constantly criticized and berated, treated like crap, and many ideas they came up with were shot down instantly by the higher ups.

[thuschongswing]

Dec 24, 2010 10:43:34 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

Dec 24, 2010 10:24:45 GMT -5 thuschongswing said:

I wouldn't doubt at all it's the real reason, for the simple fact that WWE Creative can literally be THAT incompetent.



To give you an idea how bad this is, they have more power than John Cena, the face of the company himself. Imagine if we had a similar kind of 'caste system' (for lack of a better term) in the days of Stone Cold...we'd be talking about WCW right now.

I don't get where that notion that they're all that powerful comes from.

Certain members sure, the McMahons, the head bookers, those are the people who have always had the power. But for all the writers who aren't even allowed to have a snack in a 10 hour teleconference? If the creative department said that John Cena was changing his gimmick and becoming a fighting pilgrim who was teleported through time to the 21st century, there's no way he'd be getting it. Cena would laugh in their faces and the idea would be scrapped.

But the stories that floated around from former writers indicated that they had no power. They were constantly criticized and berated, treated like crap, and many ideas they came up with were shot down instantly by the higher ups.

Well, of course not the lesser stooge writers, but I'd imagine someone like a Brian Gerwirtz would be just below Vince and Stephanie on the totem pole.

I remember a story where John Cena lobbied to turn heel in mid 2006 (right around his ONS match against RVD) and drop down the card a bit to stem the fan backlash he was getting, and was flatly rejected. Probably by Vince, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was Gerwirtz and co. IMO that would have been much better than to simply continue his push and wait for him to grow into his new role, because he still could turn face a year or so later, and (I think) would be even MORE popular than he is now.

'Course, it may be NEWZ, so take it with a grain of salt

[punksdisciple]

It's a crap excuse.

[Apricots And A Pear Tree]

I think sometimes its not so much creative not having anything for you,but the bookers not wanting to do anything with you.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Well you can't push everyone everytime but yeah its a lame excuse. If you really want them for the future you can put them in a holding pattern for the time being.

[saintpat]

It's just a way of saying 'WWE has decided this guy doesn't fit into our plans.' Happens all the time in the real world -- you hire a guy, he doesn't work out and you don't see any way he can contribute. Maybe he isn't what you thought he was. Maybe he has a bad attitude. Etc., etc.

If every wrestler who has been released in the last 2-3 years was still on the roster, please explain to me how WWE could get them all TV time and develop all their characters.

Would the IWC be happier if WWE released people with explanations like:

"Matt Hardy has gotten fat and gone completely insane. ... Kaval is a spot monkey who we figured would be a good jobber, but he wants to be a main eventer and that just wasn't going to happen. ... The company has grown sick and tired of Carlito bashing WWE in the press and mailing in his performances. ...

"We wish them all well in future endeavors."

[Red Impact]

Dec 24, 2010 11:34:47 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I've heard in a few interviews that they usually have something for everyone on the roster but, Vince doesn't want to use them so he fires them instead.

That's pretty much how I imagine it. If not Vince directly, then someone with more power than the writers.

We've seen on this forum that anyone can come up with ideas, and I don't think the creative crew is less intelligent that the average internet goer. But having ideas doesn't mean that the people who actually decide it want to put forth the effort with guys. No offense to the forum, but we're not all outstanding brilliant minds. Any of these people can come up with ideas, which makes it hard to buy that there's anyone they simply couldn't come up with something to do.

[Andrew is Good]

I think it's twofold. I think there are times where creative has nothing for someone, which is kinda stupid to be honest. It's their job to come up with something, and the fact they have nothing for someone speaks ill of creative and not the wrestler. Why aren't the people in creative let go? But then again, you can't fire your daughter.

For some people it's the stock reason to cover up the real reason. Two examples come to mind are Rob Conway and Team 3D. Conway was going to restart La Resistence on Smackdown, and was mailed his gear. Johnny eventually called and said creative had nothing for him, which is obviously false. Team 3D's example is even weirder, as Brother Ray had been in contact with creative, and a member of creative had e-mailed him a plan for a 6 month angle. When they were let go, creative had nothing for them, according to Johnny Ace.

[dreamer75]

Dec 24, 2010 11:44:04 GMT -5 saintpat said:

It's just a way of saying 'WWE has decided this guy doesn't fit into our plans.' Happens all the time in the real world -- you hire a guy, he doesn't work out and you don't see any way he can contribute. Maybe he isn't what you thought he was. Maybe he has a bad attitude. Etc., etc.

If every wrestler who has been released in the last 2-3 years was still on the roster, please explain to me how WWE could get them all TV time and develop all their characters.

Would the IWC be happier if WWE released people with explanations like:

"Matt Hardy has gotten fat and gone completely insane. ... Kaval is a spot monkey who we figured would be a good jobber, but he wants to be a main eventer and that just wasn't going to happen. ... The company has grown sick and tired of Carlito bashing WWE in the press and mailing in his performances. ...

"We wish them all well in future endeavors."

If I was going to be fired by them I would want an honest reason like those than the bs of "creative has nothing for you"

[Kevin Hamilton]

It's bogus, whether it's true or not.

If it's a line to cover another reason, it sounds ridiculous.

If it's true, then it's creative that should be let go, because creating stuff for the guys and gals is their entire job.

[pink]

Dec 24, 2010 10:34:57 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

I've never understood why creative struggle to come up with storylines for wrestlers.

It's not hard.

Take Curt Hawkins, he's a cocky guy so give him a mini push where he starts using someone elses finisher. Maybe Kofi's Trouble in Paradise (Curts an agile guy so I'm sure he can pull it off. . .Plus Kofi is actually the only mid-card face who people care about so I had to use him as an example) He uses it as a finisher for a while, Kofi gets pissed off about Curt stealing his move and presto, instead mid-card feud and exposure for Curt.

I wrote that in under a minute. I know it's not perfect but surely creative, given the amount of time they've got can think of storylines and feuds for guys on the roster. It honestly can't be all that difficult.

I've seen posters on here write some excellant storylines and feuds. If guys on here can do it then surely a bunch of folks who get paid to write storylines should be able too. I can't remember who it was but one poster here wrote an excellant way of how the Barret vs Cena match should end which turned out to sound way better than what the WWE did.

But here's the thing, you have to find continuity with this feud. What, are you going to make a long feud between Curt and Kofi over Curt using his finisher?

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

I don't think it's that hard. They don't literally have 'nothing' for you, it's just a nice way of saying, 'you will never amount to anything, get the f*** out'.

It's just like when your company 'restructures' your department and kicks you out.

[whitecrxsses]

Dec 24, 2010 12:27:36 GMT -5 @pink said:

Dec 24, 2010 10:34:57 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

I've never understood why creative struggle to come up with storylines for wrestlers.

It's not hard.

Take Curt Hawkins, he's a cocky guy so give him a mini push where he starts using someone elses finisher. Maybe Kofi's Trouble in Paradise (Curts an agile guy so I'm sure he can pull it off. . .Plus Kofi is actually the only mid-card face who people care about so I had to use him as an example) He uses it as a finisher for a while, Kofi gets pissed off about Curt stealing his move and presto, instead mid-card feud and exposure for Curt.

I wrote that in under a minute. I know it's not perfect but surely creative, given the amount of time they've got can think of storylines and feuds for guys on the roster. It honestly can't be all that difficult.

I've seen posters on here write some excellant storylines and feuds. If guys on here can do it then surely a bunch of folks who get paid to write storylines should be able too. I can't remember who it was but one poster here wrote an excellant way of how the Barret vs Cena match should end which turned out to sound way better than what the WWE did.

But here's the thing, you have to find continuity with this feud. What, are you going to make a long feud between Curt and Kofi over Curt using his finisher?

Give them more of a reason to hate each other in their actual matches. Curt cheating and screwing Kofi over, Kofi besting Curt and frustrating him etc.