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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 15:11:17 GMT -5
Silly WWE bookers, you CANNOT HURT A PALLET!
Those things are borderline indestructible and heavy as all hell. That was just a very contrived spot. There was no way to do it safely and make it look convincing at the same time. They had to pick one or the other, and they chose not to have Wade get seriously injured by a bunch of chairs. Ultimately, they would have been better of just not doing that spot at all and should've chosen something easier to do.
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Post by TripleMerc on Dec 21, 2010 15:21:01 GMT -5
I thought it was more symbolic than anything... Cena buried Barrett under a pile of chairs, how is that not at least a little embarrassing for Barrett? I mean, I don't think it would hurt anything but the eardrums, but if I was Barrett I'd be incredibly ashamed that I was beaten down enough to allow that to happen to me.
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Post by Viva on Dec 21, 2010 15:25:47 GMT -5
I know, right? He should take notes. |
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 21, 2010 15:56:48 GMT -5
Selling....what? It's not like the chairs are so heavy that they broke through the table. Duh, man. It wasn't devastating, so they've been overselling it as devastating the entire time. You don't have to believe it, but that is the purpose. Punk is selling it as a gross misuse of his stardom. he's the only one that can get away with it because of his star power, and everyone turns a blind eye. Which is why the announcers have been putting it over as vicious. It doesn't matter if it's unconventional logic. It's WRESTLING. There is a difference between suspending belief and then having to put up with just plain idiotic nonsensical shit like Wade Barrett being taken out by that spot. |
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Post by spagett on Dec 21, 2010 16:10:11 GMT -5
I absolutely hate this attitude. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's like the old JR clip "how do you learn to fall off a 20 foot ladder?" YOU DON'T. The price of pulling off a really awesome spot is that it freaking hurts. Jeez, if today's fans had it their way the only way we would've gotten stuff like Foley being thrown from the Cell is if he had wires hooked to him and fell in slow motion. And this is a bad thing? That almost killed Foley. And for what? A one night reaction that still didn't get him sufficiently over as a heel. He had to show the genuinely nice Mick Foley personality to get over in the attitude era. To the extent whereby people didn't want to see him take punishment because they liked the guy. And at the end of the day, this isn't meant to be real. It's meant to be trained wrestlers doing things that look dangerous but are safe. And doing them when it means something, not for every feud and every type of match. Maybe then we'll see wrestlers like Morrison still healthy at forty and not looking as beat-up as Jeff Hardy and Abyss. The Foley Hell in a Cell spot wasn't a one night reaction in any way shape or form. It's probably second only to Hogan slamming Andre as an iconic WWe moment. Plus the spot wasn't meant to get him over as a heel. It helped turn him babyface. |
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 21, 2010 16:20:50 GMT -5
And this is a bad thing? That almost killed Foley. And for what? A one night reaction that still didn't get him sufficiently over as a heel. He had to show the genuinely nice Mick Foley personality to get over in the attitude era. To the extent whereby people didn't want to see him take punishment because they liked the guy. And at the end of the day, this isn't meant to be real. It's meant to be trained wrestlers doing things that look dangerous but are safe. And doing them when it means something, not for every feud and every type of match. Maybe then we'll see wrestlers like Morrison still healthy at forty and not looking as beat-up as Jeff Hardy and Abyss. The Foley Hell in a Cell spot wasn't a one night reaction in any way shape or form. It's probably second only to Hogan slamming Andre as an iconic WWe moment. Plus the spot wasn't meant to get him over as a heel. It helped turn him babyface. It wasnt their plan to turn Mankind. That only happened afterwards because fans respected him for living through it. There wasnt a plan though to have him get thrown off the cage and then turn face. |
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 21, 2010 16:27:35 GMT -5
Retroactively. Post KOTR, he went back to minimal heat.
He was still a heel till Summerslam.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2010 16:39:52 GMT -5
I'm of the school of thought if it looka too contrived to at least look like it hurts, it shouldn't be done. Cena chokeslammed into the spotlight or Batista AA'd off the car both looked devastating and were done relatively safely.
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Post by Remix on Dec 21, 2010 17:24:09 GMT -5
Let's pretend in Kayfabe land that the table that Barrett was under was low enough that it was in contact (which judging by Wade crying out in pain after Cena dropped it it was) that means that the impact of the chairs hitting the table would have been passed onto Barrett causing the damage. Beats no table, and Wade being legitimately hit with chairs. Safety comes first. I absolutely hate this attitude. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's like the old JR clip "how do you learn to fall off a 20 foot ladder?" YOU DON'T. The price of pulling off a really awesome spot is that it freaking hurts. Jeez, if today's fans had it their way the only way we would've gotten stuff like Foley being thrown from the Cell is if he had wires hooked to him and fell in slow motion. There's a difference between taking a 15 ft fall and having 35 steel chairs dropped on you from a height. Even in the Attitude Era they wouldn't consider doing that spot unprotected because there is litterally no way to make the spot remotely safe without doing what they did do. With a Ladder or off the cell roofyou can reduce the actual injuries you recieve by falling correctly, with 35 freefalling chairs you can't do shit except lie there and cover your head. Which would result in broken bones at the least and death at worst. That's why Barrett was covered before the avalanche. Intentionally giving a wrestler a potentially career ending injury is a bad investment. After all, which part of Foley's fall through the Cell did more damage, the fall itself or the chair that smacked him in the face? |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 21, 2010 17:31:57 GMT -5
With him being under the table, the entire spot was goofy looking in my view. No part of him was vulnerable to folding chair assault; it just looked silly. Beats no table, and Wade being legitimately hit with chairs. Safety comes first. Then do something else. There's nothing that says they had to do the hundred falling chairs anyway, but regardless, what they went with looked stupid. |
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 21, 2010 17:33:01 GMT -5
The rules of wrestling dictate that the chairs hit the object he was directly attached to is good enough to logically deduce he was hurt by them.
I figure this par for the course in the same realm where the Steiners are nearly killed by the Outsiders, and rather than seek jail time for attempted manslaughter, they prefer the possibility to lay on top of them for three seconds.... that'll show 'em.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 21, 2010 17:33:47 GMT -5
After all, which part of Foley's fall through the Cell did more damage, the fall itself or the chair that smacked him in the face? I'm guessing it was being thrown off of the cage and landing almost on his head while going through the announce table and smashing into a monitor, all of which somehow implanted his tooth into his nostril, that did more damage than anything. I could be wrong, though; I'm not a doctor. |
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Post by Remix on Dec 21, 2010 17:43:23 GMT -5
After all, which part of Foley's fall through the Cell did more damage, the fall itself or the chair that smacked him in the face? I'm guessing it was being thrown off of the cage and landing almost on his head while going through the announce table and smashing into a monitor, all of which somehow implanted his tooth into his nostril, that did more damage than anything. I could be wrong, though; I'm not a doctor. IIRC, he didn't smash up his face until it was hit by the chair that fell through the cage with him. His trip through the announce table was (in his own opinion) less painful than the one he'd take from halfway up the cell in his TV HIAC match against Kane. |
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 21, 2010 18:09:44 GMT -5
I liked the spot for its symbolism of Cena burying Barrett tbh. It wasnt meant to hurt, Cena wasnt trying to hurt him, he was just asserting his dominance.
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Post by Big L on Dec 21, 2010 18:15:56 GMT -5
Punk had a beef with Cena being there when he was fired and still being involved in the storyline. Sure did |
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Post by 4real on Dec 21, 2010 18:18:13 GMT -5
I liked the spot for its symbolism of Cena burying Barrett tbh. It wasnt meant to hurt, Cena wasnt trying to hurt him, he was just asserting his dominance. Yes this pretty much plus kayfabe speaking Barrett probably shat himself wondering what the heck Cena was doing to him with the sound of the chairs crashing down. |
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Dec 21, 2010 18:38:24 GMT -5
I thought it was more symbolic than anything... Cena buried Barrett under a pile of chairs, how is that not at least a little embarrassing for Barrett? I mean, I don't think it would hurt anything but the eardrums, but if I was Barrett I'd be incredibly ashamed that I was beaten down enough to allow that to happen to me. |
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