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Post by Phosphor Glow on Apr 3, 2011 5:12:07 GMT -5
Is a damned awesome Metallica record.
I know some people give it flack simply because it's post-1980s Metallica...but really, it's f***ing fantastic. I really feel it combines the best elements of thrashy 80's Metallica and the groovier 90's Metallica into one amazing package.
Just an incredible record, end to end.
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Post by Corporate H on Apr 3, 2011 5:37:07 GMT -5
I have to agree with you, this album kicks ass. Metallica finally seems to have gotten that balance correct, yet somehow I think most people could give a shit less after St. Anger, etc.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Apr 3, 2011 5:43:23 GMT -5
I have to agree with you, this album kicks ass. Metallica finally seems to have gotten that balance correct, yet somehow I think most people could give a s*** less after St. Anger, etc. Yeah, I think a lot of fans felt betrayed after St. Anger. Personally, I dug that album...but it's far from their best. But yeah, they really did just strike the perfect balance. Not to mention the production is absolutely f***ing perfect. I wish their 80's albums sounded this good, production-wise.
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Post by kevservo on Apr 3, 2011 5:46:42 GMT -5
Death Magnetic SUCKED. But I'd rather listen to it than St. Anger. Which sounded like it was recorded in a coffee can up Lars Ulrich's ass.
Metallica died on a dark road in Sweden in '86.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 8:30:58 GMT -5
Death Magnetic SUCKED. But I'd rather listen to it than St. Anger. Which sounded like it was recorded in a coffee can up Lars Ulrich's ass. Metallica died on a dark road in Sweden in '86. I respect your opinion but I personally disagree. Metallica made a shit ton of great music post Burton, and Death Magnetic contains a good deal of it. I think people really wanted Metallica to keep re making the same stuff and not evolving. Which Slayer pretty much did and now they are boring as shit.
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Post by kevservo on Apr 3, 2011 8:56:21 GMT -5
Death Magnetic SUCKED. But I'd rather listen to it than St. Anger. Which sounded like it was recorded in a coffee can up Lars Ulrich's ass. Metallica died on a dark road in Sweden in '86. I respect your opinion but I personally disagree. Metallica made a s*** ton of great music post Burton, and Death Magnetic contains a good deal of it. I think people really wanted Metallica to keep re making the same stuff and not evolving. Which Slayer pretty much did and now they are boring as s***. I'm going to pretend you didn't just disrespect Slayer and talk about Metallica. They made two albums worth of DECENT music post-Burton but the real Metallica died in that bus wreck. And Justice For All was really good, had some classic stuff like One and Blackened but the audio quality was crap, and the Black Album, while containing a few pretty good songs, was mostly forgettable garbage. Not even your precious Enter Sandman. A masterpiece in comparison to anything they did since doesn't hold up to Battery or For Whom the Bell Tolls, Ask 100 real Metallica fans what they think the best Metallica song is and let me know how many choose songs off the Black album. Look, there's evolving and then there's selling out. Led Zeppelin evolved. The Beatles evolved. Metallica sold out and it backfired on them SPECTACULARLY, ended up losing more fans than they hoped to gain and whatever fans they didn't lose during the Load (of crap) years turned their backs on them during the Napster debacle, and they've been scrambling to get them back ever since. St. Anger was a desperate, half-assed, incoherant apology. Death Magnetic was a slightly more sincere one. If you want my actual opinion of DM, it's that it was a misstep in the right direction. Ditching Bob Cock Rock for a real producer really helped. I'd like to see the next album take everything Death Magnetic managed to do right and do it faster and louder, then we'll be talking. It's really funny, because they have the Aerosmith Factor. The latter-day albums are s***, but they're seriously one of the greatest bands on the planet to see live. Even during the Load of Crap/ReHash years they ALWAYS without question killed it in concert. Oh, and if you're wondering what I thought about S&M, it was different, but a good kind of different. Since they -were- playing the old stuff which they always destroy with.
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 3, 2011 9:04:36 GMT -5
Burton Metallica > Anything post
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Apr 3, 2011 9:18:38 GMT -5
Honestly, outside of a few songs, I much prefer the newer Metallica to the old. Don't get me wrong, their old stuff is fantastic, but I've grown up with their newer music and have always preferred it.
I did find DM to be a great balance between the two eras myself.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:19:20 GMT -5
Slayer was the best band in the world from about 86 - 91, and Divine Intervention was a fine album too. Everything since then? Generic bullshit.
The real Lynard Skynard died in their plane crash. The creative nexus and the most important players all died, everything since has been a well meaning cover band.
Metallica however, lost an excellent bass player. As sad as that was, the creative element for the most part is still here, along with the lead guitar player. And one of the main reasons people revere Burton so much is because he passed before metallica released those albums everyone hates on. Had he lived, or the bus not crashed..he would be lumped in with the rest of them about now.
As for "real" Metallica fans opposed to "fake" ones (I suppose), you can keep that. I like what I like for no other reason then that I like it. Whatever fan subcatagory that lumps me into so be it.
Back to the point of the thread, Death Magnetic. The first Metallica album since the Black Album that I actually wanted to listen to in it's entirety over and over again. More aggressive, good songs and good playing. Not putting it up with the first three, or even the black album which I rank as the fourth best..but better than the rest and enjoyable in and of itself.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:22:44 GMT -5
Burton Metallica > Anything post And I'd agree with that, but that doesn't mean everything post sucked. And as great as Burton was, his loss had for less to do with the decline then people claim. Honestly, losing Dave Mustaine and finally getting through those songs he wrote had way more effect on that than losing Burton did.
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 3, 2011 9:29:57 GMT -5
Didn't say it sucked, just that Burton era was better IMO.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:31:47 GMT -5
Didn't say it sucked, just that Burton era was better IMO. Very little can compare with those first three albums.
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Post by kevservo on Apr 3, 2011 9:34:41 GMT -5
*sigh* what the f*** happened to this world? Ed, you know Cliff was a HUGE reason Metallica's first three albums are considered some of the greatest metal albums ever recorded, right, and that he CO-WROTE a great deal of their early material such as oh...songs that you may have heard of like Master of Puppets, Damage, Inc, almost everything on Ride the Lightning, Battery...I would HARDLY call his impact OR his loss minimal. Dude wasn't just some bassist the band let think he's actually contributing like most bands do, he was a major creative force within Metallica.
Oh, and I do largely hate Garage, Stink, but I still recommend people buy it, but just for Disc 2 and ignore everything on the first disc except for the Mercyful Fate medley, Whiskey in the Jar and Astronomy.
The video for Whiskey had a house full of drunk lesbians. Credit is deserved.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:38:43 GMT -5
*sigh* what the f*** happened to this world? Ed, you know Cliff was a HUGE reason Metallica's first three albums are considered some of the greatest metal albums ever recorded, right, and that he CO-WROTE a great deal of their early material such as oh...songs that you may have heard of like Master of Puppets, Damage, Inc, almost everything on Ride the Lightning, Battery...I would HARDLY call his impact minimal. Dude wasn't just some bassist the band let think he's actually contributing like most bands do, he was a major creative force within Metallica. Oh, and I do largely hate Garage, Stink, but I still recommend people buy it, but just for Disc 2 and ignore everything on the first disc except for the Mercyful Fate medley, Whiskey in the Jar and Astronomy. The video for Whiskey had a house full of drunk lesbians. Credit is deserved. I never said Burton wasn't important, but to be the sole reason the real Metallica is dead apparently he'd have to be a lot more so. He had a big hand, but he didn't do it by himself. He co - wrote five songs. Great songs, and I'm sure his contributions were good but that still doesn't make the "Metallica died in Sweden" argument work.
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Post by kevservo on Apr 3, 2011 9:41:29 GMT -5
*sigh* what the f*** happened to this world? Ed, you know Cliff was a HUGE reason Metallica's first three albums are considered some of the greatest metal albums ever recorded, right, and that he CO-WROTE a great deal of their early material such as oh...songs that you may have heard of like Master of Puppets, Damage, Inc, almost everything on Ride the Lightning, Battery...I would HARDLY call his impact minimal. Dude wasn't just some bassist the band let think he's actually contributing like most bands do, he was a major creative force within Metallica. Oh, and I do largely hate Garage, Stink, but I still recommend people buy it, but just for Disc 2 and ignore everything on the first disc except for the Mercyful Fate medley, Whiskey in the Jar and Astronomy. The video for Whiskey had a house full of drunk lesbians. Credit is deserved. I never said Burton wasn't important, but to be the sole reason the real Metallica is dead apparently he'd have to be a lot more so. He had a big hand, but he didn't do it by himself. You'd be surprised what a difference group dynamic makes. The real Metallica IS dead, but believe it or not you'd never know it from hearing them live. That's what frustrates me about them, they NEVER lost the magic, they just make crappy albums now, but they're trying, really really trying to fix it.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:47:14 GMT -5
Correction, according to my album liner notes he co wrote ten songs. Argument still stands.
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Post by biafra on Apr 3, 2011 9:53:34 GMT -5
Not saying you do it, but I've always been irritated who would rather blow Cliff Burton's dead corpse than give James or Lars ANY credit for those classic albums. I strongly believe that Burton is seen like he is because he died before they started making albums not up to the par of the classic stuff. had he lived, people would be shitting on Cliff too.
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Apr 3, 2011 9:56:50 GMT -5
I think its a pretty damn good album. Best since AJFA...(Which happens to be my favorite album)
And even though I love practically everything Metallica has done (Including St Anger and Load/ReLoad), my favorite song from them is "Wherever I May Roam". Not alot from the Burton era has quite matched the love that song has with me (Though Welcome Home and Call of Cthulhu come close)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 11:08:18 GMT -5
I have to agree with you, this album kicks ass. Metallica finally seems to have gotten that balance correct, yet somehow I think most people could give a s*** less after St. Anger, etc. Yeah, I think a lot of fans felt betrayed after St. Anger. Personally, I dug that album...but it's far from their best. But yeah, they really did just strike the perfect balance. Not to mention the production is absolutely f***ing perfect. I wish their 80's albums sounded this good, production-wise. The production is actually the only flaw of the album for me. You can honestly tell something's wrong with how it sounds, and i'm as far from being an audiophile as I am. Of course, if you looked around, i'm not the only one with said opinion. Production issues aside, the album still does kick ass, and it's easily the best Metallica album since The Black Album. And it's probably better than ...AJFA. And I may get flamed on for this, but I actually love St. Anger. Is it their best work? FAR FROM IT! Sure, there's the whole "trash can" issue there, and the "no solos" thing, and I can understand that, but it shows a band trying to make a come back, and make one of those "back to basics" albums. It's amazing that people destroy it, because I believe if St. Anger was made by a brand new band that was trying to make a name for themselves, the album would've been critically acclaimed. But since it was Metallica, it was not meant to be. And this is all coming from a person who grew into Metallica via Load and ReLoad.
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Post by Young Game on Apr 3, 2011 11:23:09 GMT -5
I've always kinda felt sorry for Jason Newsted during his early years in Metallica. He got hazed soooo bad. It's like the band was still so angry and pissed off over losing Cliff, and the only place they could focus their anger was poor Jason Newkid.
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