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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 5, 2006 22:45:19 GMT -5
Many of ECW's big stars weren't exactly ECW exclusive.
- Shane Douglas was a Dynamic Dude and a Dean.
- Rob Van Dam was once a WCW jobber named Robbie V.
- Chris Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Tajiri, Tanaka, Mike Awesome were all stars in Japan.
- Jerry Lynn...Mr. JL.
- Terry Funk was a hardcore legend before ECW.
- Mick Foley was a WCW midcarder.
- Bam Bam Bigelow was a WWF midcarder.
- Justin Credible was a WWF jobber.
- Al Snow was a WWF jobber.
- Chris Candido was a WWF midcarder.
- Raven was Scotty frickin' Flaming/Johnny Polo
So please think about these facts before you bemoan *insert midcarder here* possibly being in the new ECW.
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Post by Tha Kid Joker on Jun 5, 2006 22:47:14 GMT -5
+1 for having Ness in your avatar.
No, I don't have anything constructive towards the topic to say in this thread.
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 5, 2006 22:47:34 GMT -5
Many of ECW's big stars weren't exactly ECW exclusive. - Shane Douglas was a Dynamic Dude and a Dean. - Rob Van Dam was once a WCW jobber named Robbie V. - Chris Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Tajiri, Tanaka, Mike Awesome were all stars in Japan. - Jerry Lynn...Mr. JL. - Terry Funk was a hardcore legend before ECW. - Mick Foley was a WCW midcarder. - Bam Bam Bigelow was a WWF midcarder. - Justin Credible was a WWF jobber. - Al Snow was a WWF jobber. - Chris Candido was a WWF midcarder. - Raven was Scotty frickin' Flaming/Johnny Polo So please think about these facts before you bemoan *insert midcarder here* possibly being in the new ECW. Okay, thinking about it.... Still thinking... Thinking some more... Nope, still doesn't make sense to put Test in ECW (BTW, don't take me too seriously, I'm just messing around, welcome to the forums, I hope you like it). |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 5, 2006 22:48:51 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler burying ECW doesn't make me want to go see it.
Having more WWE guys on the card than ECW guys doesn't make me wanna see it.
It just gives me a sense of apathy.
I kind of want to see Sandman and the Cena/RVD match for reactions alone.
But neh.
EDIT - And hey, welcome aboard, amigo.
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Post by Friday Night Kearney! on Jun 5, 2006 22:50:45 GMT -5
Is ECW gonna be taped at SD! infront of an SD! crowd?
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Jun 5, 2006 22:56:28 GMT -5
Many of ECW's big stars weren't exactly ECW exclusive. - Shane Douglas was a Dynamic Dude and a Dean. - Rob Van Dam was once a WCW jobber named Robbie V. - Chris Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Tajiri, Tanaka, Mike Awesome were all stars in Japan. - Jerry Lynn...Mr. JL. - Terry Funk was a hardcore legend before ECW. - Mick Foley was a WCW midcarder. - Bam Bam Bigelow was a WWF midcarder. - Justin Credible was a WWF jobber. - Al Snow was a WWF jobber. - Chris Candido was a WWF midcarder. - Raven was Scotty frickin' Flaming/Johnny Polo So please think about these facts before you bemoan *insert midcarder here* possibly being in the new ECW. Yes, kudos to having Ness in your avatar. It's good to see such grand appreciation for obscure Nintendo characters on this forum. You very well could be a "living legend"! Welcome to Wrestlecrap, friend! Anyway, I don't think it's so much that ECW will possibly have more WWE guys in it, but look at the current card for One Night Stand. Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton? Come on now. John Cena headlining an ECW show? I think people are worried that ECW might reek too much of WWE. I guess we'll have to wait and see. As for this year's ONS, last year's show was awesome, I just hope I will be saying that again this year... |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 5, 2006 22:57:53 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler burying ECW doesn't make me want to go see it. Well to be fair, Lawler was burying ECW back in the '90s.
Having more WWE guys on the card than ECW guys doesn't make me wanna see it.
This is true if you are talking about ONS. However, I wouldn't say that it is true of the actual ECW show. We will just have to wait and see. I don't think WWE has handled ONS 2 very well either because of the whole "WWE" feel to it. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 5, 2006 23:03:01 GMT -5
Well saying Vince doesn't do well with things he doesn't understand or doesn't care about I don't think it's odd that ONS has a WWE feel, for better or worse is debatable.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jun 5, 2006 23:03:19 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler burying ECW doesn't make me want to go see it. Well to be fair, Lawler was burying ECW back in the '90s.
Having more WWE guys on the card than ECW guys doesn't make me wanna see it.
This is true if you are talking about ONS. However, I wouldn't say that it is true of the actual ECW show. We will just have to wait and see. I don't think WWE has handled ONS 2 very well either because of the whole "WWE" feel to it. Fair enough. I'm just not all that hot for ECW, is all. We'll see how it develops (if they have it in Canada). |
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 5, 2006 23:04:33 GMT -5
I don't mind the WWE putting guys in the new ECW brand, its the whole WWE vs ECW at ONS2 that gets me. Last years show was former ECW guys against former ECW guys, and it was great, entertaining show. Even though I think the match will be good, I don't really like the whole Angle/Orton match at ONS2, it should be on Wednesday, just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2006 23:09:40 GMT -5
Lawler was playing the heel... if he wanted to bury ecw, why would he appear on it to take on Dreamer and bring Jim Cornette with him as backup? It's an act. Lawler wrestled arena brawls in his day in Memphis.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 5, 2006 23:10:23 GMT -5
ECW never hid the fact that it made stars out of the wrestlers who could not get over elsewhere or the wrestlers that were getting over but the company didn't get behind them. I think some compared it to the island of misfit toys. I've read many posts where people have suggested taking some guys who weren't in ECW and aren't being used much in WWE and sending them to the new ECW.
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Post by wwerules60 on Jun 5, 2006 23:13:12 GMT -5
Lawler was playing the heel... if he wanted to bury ecw, why would he appear on it to take on Dreamer and bring Jim Cornette with him as backup? It's an act. Lawler wrestled arena brawls in his day in Memphis. I think Lawler really hates ECW. I think he is shooting most of the time |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 5, 2006 23:14:52 GMT -5
Lawler was playing the heel... if he wanted to bury ecw, why would he appear on it to take on Dreamer and bring Jim Cornette with him as backup? It's an act. Lawler wrestled arena brawls in his day in Memphis. I think Lawler really hates ECW. I think he is shooting most of the time I get the sense from listening to Lawler over the years and on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, that he truly was not a fan of ECW. I'm sure he played it up and exaggerated, but why take so many shots all the time, even before ECW was apart of the storyline? |
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Post by jpinkston57 on Jun 5, 2006 23:17:46 GMT -5
I get the sense from listening to Lawler over the years and on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, that he truly was not a fan of ECW. I'm sure he played it up and exaggerated, but why take so many shots all the time, even before ECW was apart of the storyline? Because they succeeded where his goof-ass Memphis promotion failed: as an innovative competitor to WWE and WCW that both needed to see as a serious threat. |
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Post by mrobert21 on Jun 5, 2006 23:26:35 GMT -5
I get the sense from listening to Lawler over the years and on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, that he truly was not a fan of ECW. I'm sure he played it up and exaggerated, but why take so many shots all the time, even before ECW was apart of the storyline? Because they succeeded where his goof-ass Memphis promotion failed: as an innovative competitor to WWE and WCW that both needed to see as a serious threat. Quoted For Big Ups Truth Fact: Every wrestler in wrestling history has worked at some time in another promotion. Fact: The sun will rise tomorrow. Fact: Who gives a f***. We are not talking just having ECW guys with WWF ties. We are not talking WWF invaders watching a show. We are not talking young guys with no affiliation being molded into ECW. We are talking WWF for life mid carders and jobbers being the whole of a promotion named ECW with no thought paid to the history of the promotion. |
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 5, 2006 23:28:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Bruno Sammartino was ever an ECW fan? ;D
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Jun 5, 2006 23:28:54 GMT -5
Yeah Lawler takes ECW filling a bingo hall. Lawler's USWA was no better with its two row tv studio.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 6, 2006 1:29:37 GMT -5
Any "jobbers" or "midcarders" won't be all that's a part of ECW though.
There will also be ECW guys like RVD, Sandman, Dreamer, etc. Basically any guys who can still go and who aren't tied up in TNA have been signed, it seems like.
My point is that people complaining about midcarders from WWE coming into ECW haven't really been paying attention to the history of ECW themselves. ECW took plenty of midcarders/jobbers from WWF/WCW and made them into stars or at least made them into legit threats. That was one of the major points of ECW as well as something all us ECW fans were quick to point out back in the day. The fact that Heyman could get Aldo Montoya, Leif Cassidy or freakin' DOINK THE CLOWN(yes it really happened)over.
I'm a big ECW fan. I wouldn't be giving this a chance if Paul wasn't behind the wheel, but he is, so I'm going to give it a chance. Heyman relished in getting castoffs, losers, and people the smarks hated over in the ECW setting. Sure, Test coming into ECW and getting a push sounds bad right now, but if you told me back then that Johnny Polo was going to come into ECW and get a main event push culminating in a world title run, well, I would have said that sounds like a terrible idea.
ONS 2 does look pretty crappy compared to last year's, but you have to keep in mind whereas last year's was a tribute to the ECW of old, this year it's the starting point of the future of ECW. You can't get a new iteration off the ground if you're still stuck in the past...that is one of the things that killed WCW and also one of the things that most fans complain about. I understand where Heyman/Vince are coming from with the new ECW, so I'm willing to give it a go.
As far as Lawler goes, if he truly hated ECW I doubt he wouldn't have been involved with the old invasion angle back in the day, nor wrestled on an ECW PPV. All he did back then by doing that was give ECW big exposure to the WWF fans and help it get bigger.
You have to keep in mind that ECW was never intended as direct competition to the WWF. They always had a working relationship(including talent trades). Hell, Al Snow was sent to ECW as part of that, and he ended up getting called back up to the WWF when he managed to create a character and get over there.
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