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Post by ddtforever on May 17, 2006 13:08:42 GMT -5
Sure -- it was his genius that forced a wrestler to be hung by an arena ceiling and fall to his death in front of thousands of people. A family man was killed -- his children lost their father.
The stunt was set up just so the wrestler could do a gag trip in the ring. That was the punchline: a gag trip.
Yeah, that's genius.
R.I.P. Owen.
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Post by zen444 on May 17, 2006 13:15:51 GMT -5
Sure -- it was his genius that forced a wrestler to be hung by an arena ceiling and fall to his death in front of thousands of people. A family man was killed -- his children lost their father. The stunt was set up just so the wrestler could do a gag trip in the ring. That was the punchline: a gag trip. Yeah, that's genius. R.I.P. Owen. If this is true. PRAISE VINCE MCMAHON! f***ing botcher.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 13:18:43 GMT -5
This question pops up from time to time and it's always fun to answer. If you take a pragmatic approach, and consider what the guy peddles, then yes he is. He can get grown men to shave their chests, armpits, and legs to pretend to fight in their underwear while other grown men pay to see it. In addition, he can get a major television network to air it. Plus, he can get major corporations to advertise on it. THAT requires a bit of genius, or maybe insanity.
From the business standpoint, he actually gets a C+. He understood that, ultimately, there is finite fan base for this product. Sure the industry has boom periods where there is some main stream appeal, and fans are added. But people also outgrow the product. Over the long haul, the people who watch wrestling is relatively stagnant when compared to growth in other industries.
So he has shifted the curve slightly a couple of times (RNR era, Attitude era) and that put his competition out to pasture. Vince realized that if you aren't growing, you're dying. He became a big fish in a moderate pond. He gets props for that, but he has made his share of mistakes that his own fan base is willing to point out. That's why he gets the C+. He is branching off into smarter concepts like films and music. They are offshoots of the current product as opposed to the XFL. So if WWE truly does become a legitimate entertainment empire, I'll have to give him his props for that too.
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Post by jobcena on May 17, 2006 13:18:52 GMT -5
Sure -- it was his genius that forced a wrestler to be hung by an arena ceiling and fall to his death in front of thousands of people. A family man was killed -- his children lost their father. The stunt was set up just so the wrestler could do a gag trip in the ring. That was the punchline: a gag trip. Yeah, that's genius. R.I.P. Owen. this could have happened to anyone.
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Post by jobcena on May 17, 2006 13:22:38 GMT -5
He is branching off into smarter concepts like films and music.. Unless see no evil is actually good i dont see them branching anywhere. but all the signs are pointing to see no evil being bad... Music is another story. WWE cd's have been ok. They hit a home run with john cena tho...
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Post by ddtforever on May 17, 2006 13:27:55 GMT -5
Sure -- it was his genius that forced a wrestler to be hung by an arena ceiling and fall to his death in front of thousands of people. A family man was killed -- his children lost their father. The stunt was set up just so the wrestler could do a gag trip in the ring. That was the punchline: a gag trip. Yeah, that's genius. R.I.P. Owen. this could have happened to anyone. Yes, it could have. And it doesn't matter who it was. The point is that McMurder cost a man his life (and robbed his family of his being) because of a ridiculous stunt (with an even more ridiculous planned outcome) that a wrestler had no business doing. He put a man's life on the line just to get a cheap laugh and to poke fun at his rival company. And the man whose life was suspended 90 feet above the ring was killed. There's nothing genius about that.
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Post by jobcena on May 17, 2006 13:30:42 GMT -5
this could have happened to anyone. Yes, it could have. And it doesn't matter who it was. The point is that McMurder cost a man his life (and robbed his family of his being) because of a ridiculous stunt (with an even more ridiculous planned outcome) that a wrestler had no business doing. He put a man's life on the line just to get a cheap laugh and to poke fun at his rival company. And the man whose life was suspended 90 feet above the ring was killed. There's nothing genius about that. but he had done it abounch of times before. It's not like vince was saying i want to try something new..
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Post by zen444 on May 17, 2006 13:34:44 GMT -5
Hey, he at least got rid of that Owen "overrated piece of crap because he died" Hart
He should learn to Piledrive. Oh wait, he's dead!
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Post by ddtforever on May 17, 2006 13:36:53 GMT -5
Yes, it could have. And it doesn't matter who it was. The point is that McMurder cost a man his life (and robbed his family of his being) because of a ridiculous stunt (with an even more ridiculous planned outcome) that a wrestler had no business doing. He put a man's life on the line just to get a cheap laugh and to poke fun at his rival company. And the man whose life was suspended 90 feet above the ring was killed. There's nothing genius about that. but he had done it abounch of times before. It's not like vince was saying i want to try something new.. Again, the point is, he put a wrestler's life in jeopardy doing a stunt that a wrestler has no business doing. And for what? A childish gag for a childish reaction. He risked a man's life for something stupid.
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Post by jobcena on May 17, 2006 13:40:24 GMT -5
but he had done it abounch of times before. It's not like vince was saying i want to try something new.. Again, the point is, he put a wrestler's life in jeopardy doing a stunt that a wrestler has no business doing. And for what? A childish gag for a childish reaction. He risked a man's life for something stupid. wrestlers put thier lives in danger all the time. It comes with being a wrestler. What if samoa joe loses grip while doing a muscle buster and lands on someones head? What if mick foley falls off of a cell and lands on the back of his neck? What if cena drops hhh on his head doing an fu...
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 13:43:37 GMT -5
but he had done it abounch of times before. It's not like vince was saying i want to try something new.. Again, the point is, he put a wrestler's life in jeopardy doing a stunt that a wrestler has no business doing. And for what? A childish gag for a childish reaction. He risked a man's life for something stupid. Not that making friends matters here, but trivializing Owen Hart's death certainly isn't the road to doing so. I'm new here myself, but I've come to realize that ddt is the board's moral compass. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Let it go man...
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Post by zen444 on May 17, 2006 13:45:29 GMT -5
Hey everyone, let's get mad at D'lo Brown for putting Droz in a wheel chair.
I mean, it couldn't have been an accident.
VINCE MCMAHON THREW THAT DRINK INTO THE RING!
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Post by Buzzard Meat on May 17, 2006 13:46:34 GMT -5
Genius? No. Fortunate? Yup.
When you have Vince's kind of resources, you have the freedom to try a lot of things and see what sticks. Sometimes you get the Rock and Stone Cold, other times you get the XFL.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by ddtforever on May 17, 2006 13:47:32 GMT -5
Again, the point is, he put a wrestler's life in jeopardy doing a stunt that a wrestler has no business doing. And for what? A childish gag for a childish reaction. He risked a man's life for something stupid. wrestlers put thier lives in danger all the time. It comes with being a wrestler. What if samoa joe loses grip while doing a muscle buster and lands on someones head? What if mick foley falls off of a cell and lands on the back of his neck? What if cena drops hhh on his head doing an fu... What if??? When someone is wrestling, they're in danger. When someone is forced to hang from a ceiling just so they can do a silly pratfall, and he can't get out of it because his job is on the line, that isn't wrestling, that's stupidity. Mick Foley's cage falls are just as foolish. If Foley was killed in a fall from a cage, I'd say the same thing. Wrestlers go into wrestling to...guess what?...wrestle! At least guys like Owen Hart did. He didn't go in so he could be suspended like a pinata. And McMurder was the one behind it. Even if it wasn't his idea, he's the one with the creative control and he sure didn't do a thing about stopping it. He endorsed it. That isn't genius. That's a crime.
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Post by ddtforever on May 17, 2006 13:51:02 GMT -5
Again, the point is, he put a wrestler's life in jeopardy doing a stunt that a wrestler has no business doing. And for what? A childish gag for a childish reaction. He risked a man's life for something stupid. Not that making friends matters here, but trivializing Owen Hart's death certainly isn't the road to doing so. I'm new here myself, but I've come to realize that ddt is the board's moral compass. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Let it go man... I'm not trying to trivialize Owen's death, but I apologize if it comes across that way. I just want to make the point that McMahon's idea of creative gold has caused incredible loss; and for that, I in no way consider him a genius. Especially when he continues to prove time and time again that he is anything but a genius. (Just look at his storylines)
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 13:53:59 GMT -5
Not that making friends matters here, but trivializing Owen Hart's death certainly isn't the road to doing so. I'm new here myself, but I've come to realize that ddt is the board's moral compass. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Let it go man... I'm not trying to trivialize Owen's death, but I apologize if it comes across that way. I just want to make the point that McMahon's idea of creative gold has caused incredible loss; and for that, I in no way consider him a genius. Especially when he continues to prove time and time again that he is anything but a genius. (Just look at his storylines) Sorry I didn't mean you. I hit the quote icon on the wrong post.
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Post by bigjimmy on May 17, 2006 14:43:35 GMT -5
he is a genius in as much that he gave the wrestlers more control over their gimmicks which ushered the attitude era. but he either screwed up angles (invasion) or blatently ripped of other promotons (austin reflected angles used in ecw). i may be horribly wrong but thats my feelings.
vince is no genius but he is smart and a damn good buisnessman
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Post by jobcena on May 17, 2006 14:47:15 GMT -5
wrestlers put thier lives in danger all the time. It comes with being a wrestler. What if samoa joe loses grip while doing a muscle buster and lands on someones head? What if mick foley falls off of a cell and lands on the back of his neck? What if cena drops hhh on his head doing an fu... What if??? When someone is wrestling, they're in danger. When someone is forced to hang from a ceiling just so they can do a silly pratfall, and he can't get out of it because his job is on the line, that isn't wrestling, that's stupidity. he wasn't forced to do anything... Even if he got fired he probablly could have made it in wcw... Vince does do tastless crap. But to say this was even close to murder is crazy....
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Post by Kevwhatshisname on May 17, 2006 15:51:10 GMT -5
I just read the first page and I'm suprised. I HATE Vincent Kennedy McMahon but he is a genius for one thing, Taping and breaking off from the old school territory style promotion. He's also lucky he's not dead. I feel he did get lucky with WCW, but he was smart enough to let Austin stunner him every week. He make millons off of that alone.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 16:00:44 GMT -5
I just read the first page and I'm suprised. I HATE Vincent Kennedy McMahon but he is a genius for one thing, Taping and breaking off from the old school territory style promotion. He's also lucky he's not dead. I feel he did get lucky with WCW, but he was smart enough to let Austin stunner him every week. He make millons off of that alone. This just made him the best of the worst. I give him credit for going with the notion that if he wasn't growing he was dying. Gagne, Watts, and other promoters stuck to some idealistic "well we don't do it that way" bullcrap attitude and it got them belly up. No other (never say never I guess) industry acts that way. When Vince has forayed into other ventures, he has typically failed. He won the poker game that he was dealt. But that's because his competition was playing go fish.
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