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Post by Kevwhatshisname on May 17, 2006 16:02:35 GMT -5
Sure -- it was his genius that forced a wrestler to be hung by an arena ceiling and fall to his death in front of thousands of people. A family man was killed -- his children lost their father. The stunt was set up just so the wrestler could do a gag trip in the ring. That was the punchline: a gag trip. Yeah, that's genius. R.I.P. Owen. If this is true. PRAISE VINCE MCMAHON! luving botcher. I'm getting sick and damn tired of this troll! What the hell did Owen do to you. If he was alive you wouldn't have the balls to step to him about that piledriver he gave Austin. SHOW SOME F'N RESPECT!!!
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Post by shastamcnasty on May 17, 2006 16:03:41 GMT -5
Okay before I answer this, remember that it was OWEN that agreed to do that stunt and since it was OWENS life and only OWEN can choose what to do with his life, it is in fact OWENS fault that he died (and the company that built the accessories for that stunt... More them than owen.). If somebody told you to jump off of a four story building so you could get more popularity and money for yourself and told you that they had equipment to make it safe, would you? Bottom line to this is you're jumping from a fatal distance and taking somebodys word that it will be safe. I'm saying this AS AN OWEN FAN WHEN HE WAS ALIVE!!!
I created a thread once with this question in it so I believe I'll answer it. He is in fact a genius. You're still watching the show despite how much you complain about it right? Vince couldn't give a crap about what you think. He's going to do whatever he feels is right for his company and in the end he is going to take your money from all the pay per view buys you provide him with. You don't matter to Vince, your money matters and since you're hooked, it's automatic for him. He doesn't need to change his product since there is no major competition out there for him (TNA is not competition, it is like the old ECW... New ECW is to eliminate TNA, then it will be abolished as well).
However, geniuses are more prone to insanity based on their own power. Vince may be ready already into the minor insanity portion of his power. Exploiting death, mocking God and John Cenas title reign (haha;)) may be just the beginning. Remember, Adolf Hitler during his time, was once considered a genius and just a political leader. He was greeted with open arms from the western world and during the 30's, was named Times Man Of The Year!!! Him taking over countries, as wrong as his methods were, were brilliantly successful. He went insane with the whole Genocide thing and world conquest thing. That was from his building success. The power consumed him and it became his heroin, he always needed more, and more until he became wreckless and eventually that led to the allies winning WW2.
Like that history lesson?
Vince has an unholy stranglehold on the business and until he gets major competition that he cannot beat, get used to seeing the success of his genius.
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Post by whothoughtofthis on May 17, 2006 16:06:33 GMT -5
vince was lucky, not a genius,
his competition was incompetent in the showman sense, (verne) incompetent in a business sense (watts) incompetent in a wrestling sense (herd)
the only person who could have ran with vince( big jim crockett) died and his family didn't know how to run a business.
vince was in the right area at the right time
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Post by Kevwhatshisname on May 17, 2006 16:10:03 GMT -5
Hey, he at least got rid of that Owen "overrated piece of crap because he died" Hart He should learn to Piledrive. Oh wait, he's dead! Why does he still get to post, but Warriorthug can't he doesn't disrespect wrestlers who died entertaining people. I some people shouldn't be allowed around keyboards.
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on May 17, 2006 16:15:53 GMT -5
Hey, he at least got rid of that Owen "overrated piece of crap because he died" Hart He should learn to Piledrive. Oh wait, he's dead! Why does he still get to post, but Warriorthug can't he doesn't disrespect wrestlers who died entertaining people. I some people shouldn't be allowed around keyboards. I'm surprised either is allowed to post. Semper Fi, Erik Majorwitz
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on May 17, 2006 16:21:18 GMT -5
Hey, he at least got rid of that Owen "overrated piece of crap because he died" Hart He should learn to Piledrive. Oh wait, he's dead! Why does he still get to post, but Warriorthug can't he doesn't disrespect wrestlers who died entertaining people. I some people shouldn't be allowed around keyboards. Everyone is open to their own opinion, and as much as you disagree I doubt he will change.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 16:27:37 GMT -5
Why does he still get to post, but Warriorthug can't he doesn't disrespect wrestlers who died entertaining people. I some people shouldn't be allowed around keyboards. Everyone is open to their own opinion, and as much as you disagree I doubt he will change. Their point is that this guy took a perfectly good discussion on a wholly separate topic, and turned it into the "Owen Hart deserved to die thread." I'd rather be thought of as making contributions instead of making opinions. You can finish the cliche about opinions and rear canals...
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on May 17, 2006 16:31:07 GMT -5
Everyone is open to their own opinion, and as much as you disagree I doubt he will change. Their point is that this guy took a perfectly good discussion on a wholly separate topic, and turned it into the "Owen Hart deserved to die thread." I'd rather be thought of as making contributions instead of making opinions. You can finish the cliche about opinions and rear canals... Wow, I try and cease the possible flame war only to be attacked myself. Thank you for that, any other wise musings you have to impart on us?
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on May 17, 2006 16:40:45 GMT -5
Their point is that this guy took a perfectly good discussion on a wholly separate topic, and turned it into the "Owen Hart deserved to die thread." I'd rather be thought of as making contributions instead of making opinions. You can finish the cliche about opinions and rear canals... Wow, I try and cease the possible flame war only to be attacked myself. Thank you for that, any other wise musings you have to impart on us? noted
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Post by Kevwhatshisname on May 17, 2006 16:42:16 GMT -5
I'm not here to flame. I don't think we should be allowed to make fun of someone's death if we not allowed to swear or post naked pics. I shouldn't get kicked out if he doesn't because he's baiting. I thought I locked the thread with my comments.
Well someone compared Hitler to Vince. Who's to say Hitler wasn't a genius? I believe he was a evil genius, now he's is boarderline crazy.
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Post by messiah on May 17, 2006 16:49:00 GMT -5
If we define a genius as whatever the hell Vince is then we seriously have to come up with a new term for guys like Newton, Einstein and Tesla. Vince is no genius. He is a semi-competant buisness man with a piece of coal for a heart. He will also OD on Viagara.
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Post by Legion on May 17, 2006 16:49:01 GMT -5
Yes. Yes he is. A flawed genius, but a business genius all the same.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 17, 2006 17:23:07 GMT -5
Not a genius, but a ruthless man with a good head for marketing.
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Post by David Troy a.k.a legendmythman on May 17, 2006 17:29:02 GMT -5
nope. He's lucky and a good businessman. But he keeps pissing on good opprotunities a lot of them due to his ego. Whys he still successful cause he was INCREDIBLY lucky 2 times in his career whwn he needed to be and because the talent on his roster keeps bringing people in to watch their matches.
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Post by Magneto on May 17, 2006 17:34:04 GMT -5
He used to be considered a genius but he hasn't done anything innovative or ground breaking in a long time. It's pitiful.
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Post by Legion on May 17, 2006 20:41:29 GMT -5
He used to be considered a genius but he hasn't done anything innovative or ground breaking in a long time. It's pitiful. He doesn't need to anymore, he was such a good business man in the past that he swallowed up his major competition and nothing thats left can remotely rival him. That the major problem with the 75% poor product we're getting at the minute, he was too big for his own boots and now its pretty much a choice between the WWE or nothing (and i know people can say TNA, ROH etc. but i'm thinking in terms of massive worldwide distribution). Without his genius to push what he had and drive the others out, granted mixed with their own short comings, he's got a microsoft like monopoly in his chosen profession, thus a genius in that he excells in that particular area.
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Post by tardis99 on May 17, 2006 20:52:49 GMT -5
This convoluted perversion of the word 'genuis' makes a mockery of both it and those who use it in such unmerited circumstances.
Vince McMahon is NOT a genius
Paul Heyman is NOT a genius
One has created a highly successful entertainent show and the other had a moderately successful cable TV show.
Not unlike the following people: erald W. Abrams J. J. Abrams Debbie Allen Melissa Sue Anderson David Angell Joe Ansolabehere David Anspaugh Desi Arnaz Lewis Arquette Paul Attanasio Todd Baker Paris Barclay Jack Barry (television) Ira Steven Behr Harve Bennett Justin Berfield Josh Berman Rick Berman Eric Bischoff Bill Bixby Scott Bloom Steven Bochco Brannon Braga Andy Breckman Kevin Bright James L. Brooks Harvey Bullock (writer) Allan Burns Stephen J. Cannell Carmen Finestra Jennifer Celotta Glen Charles Les Charles Marc Cherry Dick Clark (entertainer) Joan Ganz Cooney Don Cornelius Jerome Courtland Caprice Crane Carlton Cuse Dan Fesman Greg Daniels Brian Dannelly Danny DeVito Ted Demme Vin Di Bona Paul Dini Shelley Duvall Dick Ebersol Ralph Edwards Peter Engel (television producer) George Finkel Kayce Freed Leonard Freeman Fred Freiberger Mark Frost Bryan Fuller Lowell Ganz Jeff Garlin James Garner Greg Garrison Jennie Garth Bruce Geller Michael Gelman Paul Germain Elon Gold Gary David Goldberg Leonard Goldberg Mark Goodson Brian Grazer Brad Grey Merv Griffin Javier Grillo-Marxuach Matt Groening Michael Gross (artist) Lee Gunther Gary Halvorson Larry Harmon Arne Harris Susan Harris David Hasselhoff Jim Henson Lawrence Hertzog Nat Hiken Stephen Hillenburg Buck Houghton Ron Howard Roy Huggins Al Jean Jim Mallon Kenneth Johnson Quincy Jones Spike Jonze Mike Judge Allan Katz Leonard Katzman Burt Kearns David E. Kelley Daniel Kellison Phil Keoghan Jimmy Kimmel Jonathan Kimmel Sid and Marty Krofft Katy Kurtzman Helen Kushnick Michael Landon Doug Langdale John Langley Glen A. Larson Irving Paul Lazar Norman Lear Michele Lee Sheldon Leonard Harvey Levin Steven Levitan Damon Lindelof TJ Lubinsky Andrea Mackris John Masius
Mike Medavoy Will Meugniot David Milch Susan Miller (producer) David Mirkin Don Mischer Ronald D. Moore Gary Morton Paul Mullie Lorenzo Music Marti Noxon Nelle Nugent Rockne S. O'Bannon Bill Oakley (TV writer) Don Ohlmeyer Mark V. Olsen Trey Parker David Peckinpah Alan Poul Priscilla Presley Eric Radomski Mike Reiss Don Reo Shonda Rhimes Richard Correll Brian Robbins Jimmy Roberts Gene Roddenberry Philip Rosenthal J.D. Roth Kermit Schaefer Danny Schechter Will Scheffer Edgar J. Scherick Thomas Schlamme Dan Schneider (TV producer) Michael Schur Josh Schwartz Sherwood Schwartz Mike Scully Fred Seibert John Semper Matthew Senreich Alan Shalleck Naren Shankar Larry Shaw (director) Cybill Shepherd Allan Sherman Suzy Shuster Fred Silverman Russell Simmons Sam Simon Aaron Sorkin Aaron Spelling Alan Spencer John Stamos Darren Star Bob Stewart (television) Matt Stone Shelby Storck J. Michael Straczynski David Susskind Wanda Sykes Jay Tarses Brandon Tartikoff Robert Teitel Danny Thomas Tony Thomas George Tillman, Jr. Grant Tinker Bill Todman Mike Tollin Tracy Tormé Jonathan Tzachor Nancy Valen Frank von Zerneck Jay Ward Jack Webb.
Are they all geniuses or can we put this ridiculous exploitation of the word to bed once and for all?
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Post by samson on May 17, 2006 21:00:39 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff is in that list, lol.
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Post by jcdenton on May 17, 2006 21:02:42 GMT -5
Vin Di Bona
AFV, and what?
well I did like Storming the Castle (I wonder if any one else remebers that)
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Post by Legion on May 17, 2006 21:15:50 GMT -5
gen·ius n. pl. gen·ius·es 1. a)Extraordinary intellectual and creative power. b)A person of extraordinary intellect and talent: “One is not born a genius, one becomes a genius” (Simone de Beauvoir). c)A person who has an exceptionally high intelligence quotient, typically above 140.
2. a)A strong natural talent, aptitude, or inclination: b)has a genius for choosing the right words. c)One who has such a talent or inclination: a genius at diplomacy.
3. The prevailing spirit or distinctive character, as of a place, a person, or an era: the genius of Elizabethan England.
4. pl. ge·ni·i (jn-) Roman Mythology. A tutelary deity or guardian spirit of a person or place.
5. A person who has great influence over another.
6. A jinni in Muslim mythology.
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Although we could all disagree with number one as Vince is not about to find a new theory of quantum physics, i think we can all agree he can be defined as a genius using numbers 2, 3, and/or 5
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