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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jan 27, 2011 13:08:03 GMT -5
Before I say anything, I will acknowledge that I'm in a horrible mood today and just not feeling very well to boot. Having said that, you know what I wish WWE would do? Get rid of the ring. Get rid of of the wrestlers, the referees, and the announcers. Hire a bunch of generic models and become the mix of SNL and soap operas they apparently want to be. Then the moronic part of my brain that hopes they will someday produce a wrestling product that makes me want to watch it again will finally accept it and move on. Ok, I'm sick of this argument that the WWE is not wrestling Yeah, I know than they love to focus way more in the soap opera aspect and other things, but at the same time, the wrestling is still the selling point of the company, they still had the PPV's which always are heavily based on wrestling, There's superstars, and there is also raw and smackdown which at times had a decent mix of ''sports entertainment'' and wrestling, other times they overuse the sports entertainment, and rarely but at times their shows present lots of wrestling You can judge that the shows are predictable, the matches boring, and other things which are arguments very valid, but saying that the WWE doesn't want wrestling is just the typical bitter and generic argument from guys who just hate the WWE, hell, on raw I always saw matches, which at times are very good (or REALLY short) People loves to show us the revisionism of mcmahon which is true, but lots of smark had also lots of comments with revisionism from it, people love to trash the comapny, but never praise them when they had excellent matches, like bryan vs ziggler, or other ones from this year
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Post by zeez on Jan 27, 2011 13:08:35 GMT -5
Well the Diva Search, like past ones, will feature models with no talent or charisma competing in stupid competitions that serve no purpose other than wasting time that could be given to wrestling matches that could become so much better if given those extra few minutes.
But on the other hand, boobs.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 27, 2011 13:10:39 GMT -5
Not many want to say it, but they have gotten mileage out of the Diva search chicks. Of course, there were some losers too.
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Post by draus on Jan 27, 2011 13:28:45 GMT -5
It's just smarks whining about one less possible segment for boring IWC darlings like William Regal to possibly partake in. Honestly it's just bored and tiresome the way the IWC overreacts to stuff like this. Except that, you know, William Regal hasn't been on TV for weeks and barely appears even on Superstars anymore. Whilst other 'internet darlings' have either been released (Kaval) or stuck in crappy angles (Daniel Bryan). If anything these guys need MORE screen time so they can actually attempt to get over with the crowd. So because the WWE has destroyed the diva's division by releasing most of their good talent and hiring nothing but models who have done nothing for the company except stand there and look pretty, therefore means they should hire more models? And how in the blue hell is a PG rated diva search going to attract many male viewers? Its not like the women are going to be scantily dressed or kissing each other, more than likely they'll compete in 'NXT' type obstacle courses or knowledge based quizzes. The most sexual thing we'll see is one of the diva's kissing a lower midcarder like Zack Ryder and hearing nothing of it again. How edgy and groundbreaking. FACT: Fans are more interested in women's angles when the women can actually wrestle and actually have some level of charisma above that of a dead fly. FACT: The diva's search has been a complete flop since its creation. Fans have boo'd segments (e.g. 2004's pie 'eating' contest, which not even The Rock could save), the first two diva searches flopped so badly the third was moved to WWE.COM. A vast majority of the winners and runner-ups have achieved nothing within the company and have since been released. The only success story from the diva search is Michelle McCool and possibly Layla, and even then it took them 3-4 years to get anywhere in the company. So instead of trying to give young talent TV time in an attempt to get them over with the crowd and make potential new main eventers, the WWE should just take them off TV and instead in their place put some useless bimbo's who will do nothing for the company? Unless you didn't notice, Santino and Kozlov are pretty over with the crowd, the guest host angle is dead, and Ted DiBiase is feuding with Daniel Bryan (and even then his matches last about 3 minutes on Raw). You know what the most pointless angles on Raw are? The diva's segments! So we're going to be replacing pointless diva segments with more pointless diva segments. Makes sense. Plus, knowing how Cole acts now you can bet it'll be worth watching for the commentary alone. You mean like how Cole commentated NXT Season 3? You know, the season which got the lowest ratings in the shows existence and got it kicked off TV and onto WWE.COM? That show where the winner hasn't even had a match on TV yet despite winning it 2 months ago. The show which was laughed at by the majority of people as being completely horrible? Hell, even people within the company like Joey Styles and Howard Finkel knew the show was craptacular. The womens division within the WWE is beyond salvageable, and anyone who is a fan of the product knows that. Women like Del Rey and MsChif and Cheerleader Melissa are never going to be anywhere near a WWE ring because that's not how WWE operates. Of course they could learn a thing or two from TNA, whose Knockout division at its peak was scoring the highest rated segments. Face it, the division itself is a novelty act. WWE could care less about well these women can work. And that was my point with NXT 3. It was so terrible that it was fun to watch. The key to stuff like that is to take things like it lightly. When smarks start going on about the models and such taking part in this bad segments...well, that's the point. I highly doubt the creative thing is thinking that the audience is taking this stuff seriously, which is why they have Cole and Mathews dumping on the thing, so at least try to salvage some sort of comic relief out of the thing. And to the guys that mention the Rock segment from 2004, whether you want to admit it or not, the audience back then was a lot different than the audience today. There were still a few stragglers left from the later Attitude Era years, and the crowds still had some energy in them. You look at the audience today and you see tons of kids and casual fans, the majority of which don't care about some midcarders in a 5-7 minute match, they have low attention spans, so what better way to fix that than to do some goofy variety show segment that will keep them interested? Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but the core audience of the WWE today is more interested in the segments and angles than they are with actual matches that don't include the top guys.
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Post by Stevie H on Jan 27, 2011 14:17:07 GMT -5
I'm glad the Diva Search is returning, sure you get some no talent wannabes like Carmella, but we have got quite a few of our current Divas from the Diva Search, such as Layla, Maryse, Eve, etc.
So I'm not overly hating of it, I just hope we get some genuine people in it, and not just a bunch of women wanting to use WWE as a push off to the next step into other things.
Also, as long as the segments aren't too long I don't mind at all.
I know there is a lot of indy female talent out there, but it doesn't mean that the females they hire don't try. Layla and Eve for example, have shown a lot of improvement over their time in WWE, they could have just coasted through and just be a cat fight style Diva but they've made the effort to learn. Michelle McCool was a Diva Search alumni too weren't she, and she's really tried hard too.
I'm all for the Diva Search returning, it just depends on who they pick. Also, you never know some indy females might make it on Tough Enough.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 27, 2011 14:22:42 GMT -5
The womens division within the WWE is beyond salvageable, and anyone who is a fan of the product knows that. Women like Del Rey and MsChif and Cheerleader Melissa are never going to be anywhere near a WWE ring because that's not how WWE operates. Of course they could learn a thing or two from TNA, whose Knockout division at its peak was scoring the highest rated segments. Face it, the division itself is a novelty act. WWE could care less about well these women can work. If this was the case, Natalya and Beth Phoenix would never be on the rosters right now. Both are more focused on wrestling than gimmickry (Laycool, for example) and these gals would still be parading around in bikinis. Doesn't explain why Gail's not used as much, though. If that's comedy, I'd hate to see what passes for "Crap" these days. And please do NOT say "the current product". NXT season 3 should have just cancelled the show altogether, it was a poor excuse for television that even TNA would be embarrassed to show.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 27, 2011 14:35:59 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I have an idea for you guys that don't want to watch......come closer......... {Spoiler}It's called a remote, it changes the channel ;D I'm sure a lot of people, myself included, wont be watching it. Doesn't mean we don't have opinions on it and wont post them on, get this, a discussion forum.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Jan 27, 2011 14:42:48 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I have an idea for you guys that don't want to watch......come closer......... {Spoiler}It's called a remote, it changes the channel ;D I'm sure a lot of people, myself included, wont be watching it. Doesn't mean we don't have opinions on it and wont post them on, get this, a discussion forum. Agreed, the poorest argument for a DISCUSSION is to say 'Well I like it/Dislike it but I don't care because I have a choice to watch it or not. It's the same comments SpoonyOne gets for his vlogs on TNA. It's his opinion on a show. Anyway...I though Christy Hemme was a good find but I hope the WWE doesn't put this on television, especially with PG era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 15:23:17 GMT -5
The womens division within the WWE is beyond salvageable, and anyone who is a fan of the product knows that. Women like Del Rey and MsChif and Cheerleader Melissa are never going to be anywhere near a WWE ring because that's not how WWE operates. Of course they could learn a thing or two from TNA, whose Knockout division at its peak was scoring the highest rated segments. Face it, the division itself is a novelty act. WWE could care less about well these women can work. In no way shape or form is the diva's division beyond salvation. We still have some good wrestlers on the roster (Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Melina, Gail Kim), its just that they're being underutilized and not being put in good storylines which will make people care about them. Was the women's division in 1998 and 1999 unsalvageable when the likes of Miss Kitty and Sable were running around? Look at the transition from 1999 to 2003, when we had the likes of Trish Stratus, Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly and Gail Kim. Women who knew how to wrestle and had charisma. Its not beyond hope in the slightest, all the WWE has to do is start hiring less models and more women who can actually wrestle. There are women in the Indy's who can wrestle AND have charisma AND look good as well. Its not like those type of women don't exist. And that was my point with NXT 3. It was so terrible that it was fun to watch. The key to stuff like that is to take things like it lightly. When smarks start going on about the models and such taking part in this bad segments...well, that's the point. I highly doubt the creative thing is thinking that the audience is taking this stuff seriously, which is why they have Cole and Mathews dumping on the thing, so at least try to salvage some sort of comic relief out of the thing. Comic Relief would be Santino's tea-party on Raw with Sheamus. A segment on the show which the crowd laughed at, and also helped develop their feud. NXT Season 3 wasn't comic relief, it was a sham, it was put on simply to disgrace the women's divison further. Ratings tumbled, people within the company bashed it, it received horrible reviews from everyone. Whats funny about your argument is that you bash smarks, yet it seemed the IWC were amongst the only people who liked it. It even had a small cult following on these forums whilst it aired. Good comic relief does not cause ratings to fall, and for a show to get thrown off TV. Lets just say hypothetically that the WWE knew that NXT was going to be thrown off SyFy mid-way through Season 3. You might say that since they knew the season wasn't going to be fully shown on TV, they might as well book it in a laughable, funny way. But what I don't get about that is, what in the blue hell was the point of making the show as horrible as it was? If the show was good, the show would've done better ratings, may have had a chance to stay on TV, and even if it didn't more people would visit WWE.COM and watch the show. Instead, it was completely terrible and people tuned out. Thats just bad business. And to the guys that mention the Rock segment from 2004, whether you want to admit it or not, the audience back then was a lot different than the audience today. There were still a few stragglers left from the later Attitude Era years, and the crowds still had some energy in them. You look at the audience today and you see tons of kids and casual fans, the majority of which don't care about some midcarders in a 5-7 minute match, they have low attention spans, so what better way to fix that than to do some goofy variety show segment that will keep them interested? Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but the core audience of the WWE today is more interested in the segments and angles than they are with actual matches that don't include the top guys. So you mention the audiences back then had more energy in them, yet it was that exact same audience which boo'd that pie eating contest out of the building. So are you saying if that segment aired today it wouldn't get boo'd? I'm sure it would go down terrificly infront of a bunch of 12 year olds with their mothers looking on. And the part where you mention today's audience, they don't care about the midcarders because guess what, THE BOOKERS HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM A RISEN TO CARE ABOUT THEM. Look at the way the midcard has been booked over the past 2-3 years, its a disgrace. You have guys on Smackdown fighting over and over again for weeks, months, with absolutely nothing on the line. You have wrestlers debut, get given no mic time, and then are expected to get over by themselves without being given a proper gimmick. You have tag teams being broken up for no apparent reason, title changes once every blue moon because the champions lack any credible challengers. And I ask you, if the WWE has more kid and casual fans who like angles over matches in non-main eventers, then why is it that NXT did such bad ratings? It got, on average, worse ratings then ECW (a show dominated by WRESTLING), a show which it replaced in the exact same timeslot.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 27, 2011 15:43:17 GMT -5
Ok, I'm sick of this argument that the WWE is not wrestling Well they are not wrestling.They are Sports Entertainment.Just ask Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 15:57:14 GMT -5
...why
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 27, 2011 15:59:56 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I have an idea for you guys that don't want to watch......come closer......... {Spoiler}It's called a remote, it changes the channel ;D That's great for the people watching the show on television. What about the people who paid money to see a good show? I'm sorry, but if I pay $50 plus for a show, I'm hoping that it's going to be worth my money. So when a bunch of untalented chicks looking to try to be famous stinking up the place, is that worth my money? Especially when there are other parts of the show that I want to see. Why not have everything on the show be, at least somewhat good, and have people who are out there and know what they're doing.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 27, 2011 16:03:26 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I have an idea for you guys that don't want to watch......come closer......... {Spoiler}It's called a remote, it changes the channel ;D That's great for the people watching the show on television? What about the people who paid money to see a good show? Um...communal piss break?
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Post by BigWill on Jan 27, 2011 16:06:13 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I have an idea for you guys that don't want to watch......come closer......... {Spoiler}It's called a remote, it changes the channel ;D That's great for the people watching the show on television. What about the people who paid money to see a good show? I'm sorry, but if I pay $50 plus for a show, I'm hoping that it's going to be worth my money. So when a bunch of untalented chicks looking to try to be famous stinking up the place, is that worth my money? Especially when there are other parts of the show that I want to see. Why not have everything on the show be, at least somewhat good, and have people who are out there and know what they're doing. "They'll watch it, and will like it dammit!"
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Post by stealthamo on Jan 27, 2011 16:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 27, 2011 16:14:58 GMT -5
How people are reacting, you would think they just fired Daniel Bryan again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 16:21:13 GMT -5
Honestly, the only thing that'd keep me from changing the channel every week on this is if Miz hosts again.
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Post by Giul T. on Jan 27, 2011 16:30:40 GMT -5
They must really want that Gooker Award back. Daria displays my feeling entirely. Not a big no, not a tantrum, just a facepalm and a low sigh. They're starting this s*** again.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Jan 27, 2011 16:32:06 GMT -5
I really don't see how this is going to work ith a PG raitng. Smarks and casual fans hated it back then and now, since they cannot do sexy stuff and they are targetting kids, who believes in cooties, I think it would be disastrous. Hell, NXT 3 should have been the indication.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 27, 2011 16:46:24 GMT -5
I wonder about this.
I mean I get why some fans would want this, but why would WWE?
I get the feeling, that at the end of the day, WWE is going to do whatever they think will make them money. And a lot of times, that means they'll look at what made them money in the past.
And looking at the women who've made them the most money, how many of them had a ton of indy experience? They were either nonwrestlers, models, or "Special attractions", like Chyna.
So they continue to hire models, a good number of which work out for them, Kong, and a 6-9 women.
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