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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 22, 2011 19:49:21 GMT -5
Call the damn match. I just watched Beth Phoenix vs Layla, a decent effort that got the crowd interested, and Striker calls an attempt for a Fujiwara Armbar by Layla, and rather than inviting any question on it, Cole just no sells it completely as a "Fujiwara whatever". Tis kind of thing was on all the way through the match, but Cole still has time to say Rey Mysterio is the favourite in the Rumble.
Cole has officially gone over the top for me. He is subtracting from the quality of a match.
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Post by greeby on Jan 22, 2011 19:55:13 GMT -5
When he calls himself the "Voice of the WWE" he leaves out the word "Creative". He's basically voicing the opinions of the Creative Monkeys who look down on anyone who actually knows or cares about wrestling
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Post by Beartato on Jan 22, 2011 20:00:30 GMT -5
It is really annoying. I always liked him as an announcer before and never thought he was boring like everyone else. I liked his nerdy little mark thing. But his new thing is just unbearable.
But, prepare for everyone to say you're wrong because hating anything about the wwe just means you're a dumb smark who dislikes everything.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 22, 2011 20:00:33 GMT -5
This is all relative.
It's clearly he focuses on the "Sports Entertainment" aspect while Matt will constantly focus on the "wrestling" aspect which we've all heard Vince dislikes.
I'm either way. I don't mind it being called more as a story, but I don't mind if someone like Matt tries to break down the technical jargon of the moves.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 22, 2011 20:01:03 GMT -5
Half of the announce team are worthless wastes of carbon matter. Striker's about the only one I can stand.
Michael Cole, not only are you not JR, you're not Bobby Heenan either.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 22, 2011 20:10:09 GMT -5
This is all relative. It's clearly he focuses on the "Sports Entertainment" aspect while Matt will constantly focus on the "wrestling" aspect which we've all heard Vince dislikes. I'm either way. I don't mind it being called more as a story, but I don't mind if someone like Matt tries to break down the technical jargon of the moves. But he isnt contributing to a story at all, he is just shouting down Matt Striker, and concentrating on making sure he is the focal point of the show. Smackdown didnt need him. Grisham did solid play by play, and Striker is the best guy on commentary in the WWE. |
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 22, 2011 20:23:48 GMT -5
This is all relative. It's clearly he focuses on the "Sports Entertainment" aspect while Matt will constantly focus on the "wrestling" aspect which we've all heard Vince dislikes. I'm either way. I don't mind it being called more as a story, but I don't mind if someone like Matt tries to break down the technical jargon of the moves. But he isnt contributing to a story at all, he is just shouting down Matt Striker, and concentrating on making sure he is the focal point of the show. Smackdown didnt need him. Grisham did solid play by play, and Striker is the best guy on commentary in the WWE. When I heard Striker calling moves, it got my attention. When I heard Cole questioning him like a bored 3-year old, I almost muted the tv again. Cole's character since the end of NXT1 has been annoying and inconsistent. He needs to just go away. |
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 22, 2011 20:24:23 GMT -5
This is all relative. It's clearly he focuses on the "Sports Entertainment" aspect while Matt will constantly focus on the "wrestling" aspect which we've all heard Vince dislikes. I'm either way. I don't mind it being called more as a story, but I don't mind if someone like Matt tries to break down the technical jargon of the moves. How exactly is obsessively plugging the main event while other matches are going on 'storytelling'? |
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Post by alabastergrim on Jan 22, 2011 20:27:37 GMT -5
Okay...you're not supposed to like Michael Cole. Period. I'm not hating on you or anything, that's just how it is.
If Cole does go overboard, I guarantee you that it's not because he's breaking script or doing something he's not supposed to be doing. He's doing what he's been told to do. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you but the blame doesn't really rest on Cole here.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 22, 2011 20:30:50 GMT -5
I think its a fine line between having a heel persona that can still focus and put guys over (see Ventura and Heenan... most of the time) and having a heel shtick that just dominates the booth and seems more dedicated to getting your character over. Cole has been jumping back and forth on this the past couple of months.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 22, 2011 20:34:56 GMT -5
I pretty much stopped watching WWE about two years ago, and Micheal Cole was one of the sole reasons. Looks like I haven't missed much.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 22, 2011 20:40:07 GMT -5
Okay...you're not supposed to like Michael Cole. Period. I'm not hating on you or anything, that's just how it is. If Cole does go overboard, I guarantee you that it's not because he's breaking script or doing something he's not supposed to be doing. He's doing what he's been told to do. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you but the blame doesn't really rest on Cole here. Okay. So how is this supposed to keep me watching? |
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Post by frogsplash45 on Jan 22, 2011 20:51:29 GMT -5
They need to sit Cole and Grisham down in front of a few Smackdown video games and have them look through the moves lists.
If I am a commentator, in my off-time, I am doing everything I can to sound as knowledgeable as I can. Reading up, browsing videos, everything...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 21:00:58 GMT -5
It's not "doing his job" type heat with me, it's a "shut up before I go through the TV screen" type of heat. He's not reminding me of a good heel, he's reminding me of the a-typical bully in school who when making fun and nitpicking, he would just pick and pick and pick at you just barely every day, to the point of repetition and annoyance.
It's ruining whatever dignity I have with the company.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Jan 22, 2011 21:03:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't mind Cole as a commentator on Smackdown, because contrary to popular belief he has been putting over the heel characters. I mean, just last night I remember him putting over McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Alberto DelRio, Dolph Ziggler, Swagger, and Corre.
It's Raw that I think he flounders, because for whatever reason, he continues to flip flop between supporting faces like Orton, Cena, and Santino, and trying to work his heel gimic.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 22, 2011 21:06:03 GMT -5
This is all relative. It's clearly he focuses on the "Sports Entertainment" aspect while Matt will constantly focus on the "wrestling" aspect which we've all heard Vince dislikes. I'm either way. I don't mind it being called more as a story, but I don't mind if someone like Matt tries to break down the technical jargon of the moves. How exactly is obsessively plugging the main event while other matches are going on 'storytelling'? Selling your Main Event to ensure viewers will stay tuned till the end to watch workers in the Main Event who are more-than-likely the ones the WWE wants to watch the most out of everyone on the roster? |
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 22, 2011 21:10:10 GMT -5
How exactly is obsessively plugging the main event while other matches are going on 'storytelling'? Selling your Main Event to ensure viewers will stay tuned till the end to watch workers in the Main Event who are more-than-likely the ones the WWE wants to watch the most out of everyone on the roster? Then plug it between matches and before and after commercial breaks. I'm not some sort of wrestling insider or even the most knowledgeable of fans but it seems fairly common-sense, business-wise, to sell the whole card and not just what happens at the end. |
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Post by BigWill on Jan 22, 2011 21:22:03 GMT -5
I can't fault him for flip flopping his heel persona because I'm assuming that he's being told to act a certain way. But I'm sure as hell sure he isn't being told to get the names of moves wrong. Seeing as how it's part of his job, one would think he would have been working on this. Yet he goes and makes fun of Striker when he actually shows a bit of knowledge.
Also there is no benefit if a heel announcer is hated. It's not like a heel wrestler where seeing him get beat up in the ring will make it all better. I have to painfully listen to him on my screen for 4 hours a week. And there is no beat down to make that feeling go away.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 22, 2011 21:22:32 GMT -5
Is it bad that I want Jonathan Coachman back and replace Michael Cole with him?
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 22, 2011 21:23:47 GMT -5
Okay...you're not supposed to like Michael Cole. Period. I'm not hating on you or anything, that's just how it is. If Cole does go overboard, I guarantee you that it's not because he's breaking script or doing something he's not supposed to be doing. He's doing what he's been told to do. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you but the blame doesn't really rest on Cole here. Its not about liking him. There ave been heel commentators before that I didnt like, but he is taking away from the in ring product, and lessening its importance in favour of putting himself over. Having the guy harp o9n about the main event no stop does no good for the rest of your product, something we saw with the NWO in WCW. It was all commentators ever talked about. As contrived as they may be, Matt Strikers obscure references and kooky background stories are him giving depth to characters and creating a bond between the viewer and the wrestler. But if you have Cole just shouting over him all the time, then what happens? He started out so well with NXT season 1, but he has somehow gotten painfully stale in the space of a year. |
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