@TenaciousBe
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Jan 3, 2011 15:30:12 GMT -5
...holds the power."
I hear this all the time, especially from Bischoff. The part that I really don't understand, though, is WHY? Okay, so let's take a look at the current landscape of TNA, kayfabe. Dixie hastily signed over her rights to the company without reading the contract, and Bischoff/Hogan/et al are in charge. Dixie then gets an injunction that prevents Hogan from being involved in the day-to-day operations. It's a little hokey, a little "suspension of disbelief" but let's go with it.
Now, Bischoff is on a charge to get all the gold into the Immortal/Fourtune camp. He says that "whoever holds the gold, holds the power." That having all the belts would give them "leverage." And it leaves me wondering, "How? Why? Why would courts and lawyers and judges give a flying horse's patoot who happens to be the champions of the company?"
The only possible explanation I can really come up with is that the belts themselves are worth some money, and the threat of "being in possession" of them, and just taking them and going home, would mean the company was out a few thousand bucks. But, again, why would a judge care? What the people within the company do with their property is of no consequence to the judge or his ruling on who holds "the power" over the company.
Am I missing something? Or is this just a really stupid angle to explain away getting all the belts into the baddies' camp (in which case, why do they need this kind of angle to do so -- isn't the whole POINT of a wrestling show/company to try to become the champion(s)?)?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 15:42:56 GMT -5
Well it would be stupid because Bischoff's boy just through the belt in the trash and bought his own. So if TNA history teaches us anything - if you don't like or can't a belt, just make your own up.
I mean this is the same guy who stripped everyone of the belts in another company so I think "holding the gold" holds very little sway.
A good rule of thumb is - Never think too much about what Bischoff says, I doubt he does.
Also - that means Eric Young holds all the power.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Jan 3, 2011 15:58:49 GMT -5
Thinking back to the old NWA-TNA days, didn't NWA have the power by holding the name to the belts? Once NWA severed their ties with TNA, TNA had to create their own championships as they weren't allowed to use the NWA belts anymore.
Perhaps (kayfabe wise) we're meant to feel that while Bischoff's boys hold all the gold, all Dixie can legally do is reclaim the company NAME, but cannot actually make use of any of its championships or champions.
Of course this doesn't bear close scrutiny, or even any kind of scrutiny, but then again a) it's wrestling and b) it's Bischoff, so no surprises there.
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Post by tenshi on Jan 3, 2011 16:02:42 GMT -5
Bischoff might want all the titles because the owner of the company (Dixie Carter, when the whole lawsuit ends up in Dixie's favor due to evidence) can't fire a champion of its company. To make an example, TNA wouldn't like to see Jeff Hardy showing up on Raw with their title despite him being fired from the company because Hardy would represent the company. Besides, champions have pull, have a certain (yet small) amount of control on who to defend the title and if the title is defended or not, which explains why so many heels prefer to get DQd and retain their title that way.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 3, 2011 16:46:32 GMT -5
It seems to me that a company can simply strip someone of a belt if the situation arises. So in reality it makes no sense as to why having all the belts in a faction gives anyone a real sense of power. Bischoff himself stripped everyone in WCW of their titles in April 2000 for no valid reason at all, so it's not like he hasn't been involved in this scenario before.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jan 3, 2011 17:11:46 GMT -5
That is EXACTLY my problem with the Immortal angle... And a lot of wrestling angles actually... I just kinda force myself not to think about it too much. The entire plot to get the title on Jeff seems completely pointless the longer you think about it.
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Post by vivix on Jan 3, 2011 17:15:48 GMT -5
Come on, it's simple. Look at who all is going for the belts: AJ-Roode-Storm-Kazarian.
Fortune captures all the gold and they turn on Bischoff.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 3, 2011 18:03:54 GMT -5
They've used the phrase in WWE too and I've honestly never understood the real logic.
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Post by Efren on Jan 3, 2011 18:22:03 GMT -5
As far as I undrestand hes not taking money away from Dixie, Panda or no one, Immortal just took control to run things as they see fit, f*** knows why they care so much to do things their way, but The way I see it by the guys hes putting his stakes in getting the gold he proves in a court of law he has vision.
He is keyfabe wise making the company more money, has more vision, therefore is the most appropriate one to keep running the company, thats the same reason he just doesn't go out and fire everyone he doesn't like, he puts em in interesting matches to jerk around with them cause they still make for interesting tv.
Its dumb and it doesn't work on the real world, but to me thats the implication...
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 3, 2011 18:57:46 GMT -5
The only thing I can think of is that champions are able to exercise some kind of financial and/or corporate power, more so than regular performers; perhaps not to dissimilar to share/stockholders in a company. A power that would be Immortal's to have, and one they could hold on to (barring stripping the championship for legitimate reasons: injury or the talent no longer in the company) if they acquired all the gold.
Now in 2009 this was sort of hinted at with the MEM, with them and the announcers talking about some sort of power gained by holding the TNA World Title. The problem is that both then and now, its being played so vaguely that its hard to really get invested in it.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 3, 2011 19:19:45 GMT -5
It's even funnier when you remember Hogan saying that the belts don't mean jack last year.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 3, 2011 19:23:30 GMT -5
It's even funnier when you remember Hogan saying that the belts don't mean jack last year. "Fake belts, playpen rings & flippidy floopidy moves thats' all TNA was 'til I got here, brother!" ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 19:51:14 GMT -5
I alluded to this in another thread, but TNA has it backwards.
You don't want to get the belts so you can have power, you want to get power so you can have the belts. The championship strap, not some vague sense of office superiority, is what they are SUPPOSED to be fighting about.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 3, 2011 19:57:27 GMT -5
I alluded to this in another thread, but TNA has it backwards. You don't want to get the belts so you can have power, you want to get power so you can have the belts. The championship strap, not some vague sense of office superiority, is what they are SUPPOSED to be fighting about. But remember. TNA told us that the fake belts don't mean anything, because this is a shoot, brother! Stupid kids and their flippity dos.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 20:00:00 GMT -5
I alluded to this in another thread, but TNA has it backwards. You don't want to get the belts so you can have power, you want to get power so you can have the belts. The championship strap, not some vague sense of office superiority, is what they are SUPPOSED to be fighting about. But remember. TNA told us that the fake belts don't mean anything, because this is a shoot, brother! Stupid kids and their flippity dos. Well exactly, the only value a belt has to Hogan's Heroes is that the belt symbolizes the "shoot value" of a wrestler. We put the belt on Hardy, so he has stroke enough backstage to have the belt on him. I guess. Dunno how else it could make even an ounce of sense. EDIT: .. brother!
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 3, 2011 20:05:59 GMT -5
Has anyone ever asked the question of exactly HOW Immortal loses power if someone takes the belt from them?
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Post by Bam Neeley on Jan 3, 2011 20:46:54 GMT -5
The belts are magical. They grant free wishes for their holders.
That's unfortunately the most logical explanation.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 3, 2011 21:33:33 GMT -5
I guess the whole "gold will give you power" notion leads off the fact that a champion can corrupt men into doing things they wouldn't normally, all in the hope of getting close to a title shot or some such. I mean, this fragile logic does fall apart when introducing authority figures into, considering they can just rip the title off these kids if they really wanted to. I mean, there's also legal issues involving ripping a title of someone, like unfair dismissal claims and whatnot, none of which belong in a wrestling angle, where it won't end in a ring.
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Post by wcw on Jan 3, 2011 23:12:44 GMT -5
If you are a champion you can't get fired as you have to have one last match in order to defender your title. If you are Immortal/Fourtune and you have Beer Money, AJ, and Kaz holding tag team, X, and TV gold they can't get fired. Hardy and the Fourtune 4 would be immune from being fired even if Dixie were to take back control.
That's pretty much all I can think of.
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Post by golding on Jan 3, 2011 23:38:03 GMT -5
Normally it's pretty contrived, but with the current angle the "Belts = Power" concept does make some sense. He's saying the belts amount to leverage against Dixie Carter's legal action, that the representative wrestlers of the company want Bischoff and Hogan in charge. I find it believable that the wrestlers who represent the company would allow for a judicial argument.
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