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Post by ThatDamnPotato on Jan 4, 2011 9:06:08 GMT -5
4th January 2010
Monday Night iMPACT!
The night Hulk Hogan and his merry men arrived
Must say I was quite excited for this and was so pumped to watch this show and probably one of the minority that has enjoyed the most part of last years shows
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Post by lordofthering on Jan 4, 2011 10:28:52 GMT -5
I like where Hogan/Bischoff have taken the show. Looks cleaner and more professional.
Last three weeks there has been more wrestling, but I'd still like to see more yet. Even WWE had about 55 minutes of wrestling last night, and they call themselves sports entertainment.
The positives, I think, are that heels and faces are acting like heels and faces in the ring. Before, it was Samoa Joe acting like a heel coming to the ring, then he'd do that dive out to the floor, pumping the crowd up. Now you get a Jeff Hardy not doing his signature moves, and acting like a heel. Yes, in the past, the matches were so good, but they weren't really rooting against anyone. TNA has that right now.
Problem is that, while it's getting better, there's still not a lot of direction. Just like WWE, they don't have that one guy that they are going into the future with, but WWE is established. TNA needs that one guy that can lead them to greater heights, and it can't be Hogan. Hogan's good for the name, and getting some established people there, but you can't put a strap on him anymore, and he can't travel like he used to because of his back. No, it has to be someone they can strap a rocket to his ass and go to the moon, hell or high water. They have a legitimate seven footer with great athletic skills and a great personality that can be marketed as the new type of giant(Morgan), a badass that isn't built like a greek God, and trains with MMA guys, that you can use in this new MMA-centric world(Joe), and a really good wrestler that you can market as a purebread family man(AJ).
Hell, they even have a trained boxer, who happens to be bisexual, that looks like he could tear someone apart that wants to fight him. He could do something obscene to rile them up, then tear them apart when they go after him. That's not a main event thing, but another angle they could use.
TNA has so much, and they could do so much, but I feel they are missing something with how much talent they have. I think they are on the right track, but they need to know where they want to go, and when they do, things will improve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 10:59:50 GMT -5
I think Hogan and Bishoff's influence in TNA fought against TNA's strenghts as an organization and - while it did not set them back a great deal - it stagnated them in many ways.
As far as I can tell, TNA's use of Hogan was so poor that it didn't give the company the boon they were expecting. Rather than use him as a pitch/hype man, they inserted him into every major storyline they could and gave TNA some of its most embarassing 2010 moments.
Can anyone look back at 2010 and remember anything remarkable or spectacular about Hogan and Bischoff? I can't.
A lot of other things in TNA were remarkable, but nothing Hogan and Bischoff brought to the show will really have a lasting iMPACT on the TNA fanbase.
I think the product is just now starting to get back to where it was (in terms of quality) before Hogan showed up. Once they drop the ridiculous IMMORTAL stable, I think things will get better, especially considering two of its members don't wrestle, one is facing drug charges, another is a comedy gimmick of sorts (MMA Jarrett) and the last hasn't been taken seriously for a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 11:15:11 GMT -5
How much influence do Hogan and Bischoff even have as far as the product? I mean, you could point to certain talent acquisitions (RVD, Hardy, Flair, Nasty Boys, Hall/Waltman, etc), or the pushing on Abyss (as a face and when that failed as a heel), or adding Reaction, or changing the ring as having Hogan/Eric's fingerprints on it, but outside of that, it looks like a typical Vince Russo booked show except with bigger stars on it.
Look at some of the threads from January. People we expecting Hogan to win the title, Beefcake to come in, older guys to be pushed over newer ones, and quite frankly looking at the roster now, none of that came to fruition or even close to it. The next TNA PPV is being built around Matt Morgan, Ken Anderson, AJ Styles, Doug Williams, Beer Money, MCMG, Jay Lethal, Kazarian, Mickie James, and Madison Rayne. TNA is at the spot where people wanted it to be, give or take a few pushes (Joe and Pope seem to be depushed). They only "older" guys with any type of push right now would have been pushed whether Hogan was there or not (Angle, Jarrett, RVD, and Hardy).
Again, I don't see how Hogan and Bischoff had anything to do with that. I think Hogan was mostly an on-screen character, while Eric may have had more to do with production and things of that sort. I think the real problem with TNA is Vince Russo's Attitude Era style booking, which could use some tweaking or two (or ten)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 11:30:59 GMT -5
How much influence do Hogan and Bischoff even have as far as the product? I mean, you could point to certain talent acquisitions (RVD, Hardy, Flair, Nasty Boys, Hall/Waltman, etc), or the pushing on Abyss (as a face and when that failed as a heel), or adding Reaction, or changing the ring as having Hogan/Eric's fingerprints on it, but outside of that, it looks like a typical Vince Russo booked show except with bigger stars on it. Look at some of the threads from January. People we expecting Hogan to win the title, Beefcake to come in, older guys to be pushed over newer ones, and quite frankly looking at the roster now, none of that came to fruition or even close to it. The next TNA PPV is being built around Matt Morgan, Ken Anderson, AJ Styles, Doug Williams, Beer Money, MCMG, Jay Lethal, Kazarian, Mickie James, and Madison Rayne. TNA is at the spot where people wanted it to be, give or take a few pushes (Joe and Pope seem to be depushed). They only "older" guys with any type of push right now would have been pushed whether Hogan was there or not (Angle, Jarrett, RVD, and Hardy). Again, I don't see how Hogan and Bischoff had anything to do with that. I think Hogan was mostly an on-screen character, while Eric may have had more to do with production and things of that sort. I think the real problem with TNA is Vince Russo's Attitude Era style booking, which could use some tweaking or two (or ten) I'd agree now that 10-12 months after Hogan and Bischoff showed up the content is getting back on track, but when they first showed up - it was a real mess and their fingerprints were all over it. Guys like the Nasties were brought in for a couple months for no reason (Hogan's buddies), the horrible EV2 angle which dominated 2010 with more over the hill guys (Bischoff admitted to being the force behind this one), the horrible introduction of Orlando Jordan (once again, Bischoff admitted to being the creative force behind it and OJ was on Hogan's tour) and Abyssamania. |
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Post by ICBM on Jan 4, 2011 13:02:10 GMT -5
It ain't over until it's over and the only person who should have any need of a report card on Hogan and Bischoff and their impact on TNA is Dixie Carter.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jan 4, 2011 13:06:33 GMT -5
If everybody waited until something was definitively over before passing comment, people would rarely say anything.
Crazy that it's been a full year though. To think that this time last year the threads on iMPACT were getting more posts than those for Raw, and they were getting record ratings. Interest was big.
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