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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Jun 14, 2011 19:45:39 GMT -5
as a Kid in the 80s I have to say that was the best time for cartoons. I mean when I woke up on Saturday morning i had 6 - 7 hours of cartoons on all 3 major networks. I can remember being conflicted when there were 2 shows on that I wanted to watch on different channels and not being able to choose. There were no nickelodeons or cartoon networks back then. That's what I think of as the golden age. Now adays cartoons are overdone and for the most part... dumb. Plus they are always on. I think the break we got when i was a kid made cartoons more memorable and in a sense better.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 14, 2011 20:47:42 GMT -5
In defense of those toy-based cartoons, they didnt exactly do their job as the shows themselves are more fondly remembered than the toylines (can you name one transformers toy who WASNT on the tv show? No using wikipedia or google).
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 14, 2011 21:20:09 GMT -5
Fine. You got me there. Although the saturday morning ritual is something all kids should have to go through, and today it's not possible. I got nothing against today's cartoons...heck i like some of them. But they ARE being written for 20-30 somethings because that's who are creating them for the most part. They throw some things for the kiddies, but they aren't selling toys now, just dvd's and limited edition busts. Yeah, if you put me back in time to the 80's and I didn't know about the cartoons then, I'd think they were stupid. But it wasn't written for me as an adult, but for me as a kid. So what if it was a toy commercial? I didn't want meaningful stories at age 7 or 8, I wanted Starscream to get his ass kicked by Megatron again. I get a bit touchy about people calling my nostalgic memories crap, call me an asshole. The "No! you don't like something from the 90s/80s! Stop being blinded by nostalgia" mentality annoys me too. Both sides of the coin can be annoying to me. Holding everything in the past up on a pedestal and painting all of modern entertainment with the same brush just because you're an adult now in not a kid is just as bad as railing against people who liked things they saw as a kid because of nostalgia. It's hard to deny that there is overwhelming nostalgia because, pretty much, every thread about entertainment will have people who decry modern entertainment because things were better when they were growing up. Whether that be cartoons, videogames, movies, wrestling, you name it. And a lot of those people just really hate when people disagree and thing that stuff wasn't really good. It's in our nature to defend what we loved as kids, because that's part of our past, the things we remember from there probably had more of a profound effect on us. There were high points and low points in every decade of cartoons, I grew up mostly in the early to mid 90's so that's what I remember most fondly, but there were still shows from the 80's in syndication that I watched before school (G.I. Joe was a big one that I remember). I just don't think of them as fondly as I did the new stuff from when I grew up (I actually didn't like any Transformers until Beast Wars, and I thought GI was really forgettable). Also, I disagree with the notion that cartoons are being written specifically for 20 to 30 year olds. There are some that are, sure, Family Guy, South Park, American Dad, etc. But the kids shows today are still being written to appeal to kids. It's just that more creators, especially ones who grew up in the 80's and 90's are also actively attempting to write shows that appeal to the parents as well as the kids, not instead of kids. In the 80's and to a lesser extent, the early 90's, they didn't really care about that as much. They just had to hook the kids and they'd make money. In a way, I think that was part of the appeal, because Saturday Morning was pretty much your time as a kid. You knew the parents didn't understand, and it was part of being in that special club known as childhood. In defense of those toy-based cartoons, they didnt exactly do their job as the shows themselves are more fondly remembered than the toylines (can you name one transformers toy who WASNT on the tv show? No using wikipedia or google). All the toys don't really have to be that memorable, it just means that the cartoon has to get people to flock out and buy them. They were pretty damn successful in doing that. Also, I wasn't a fan of Transformers, but didn't they have that guy who turned into, like, a train and a rocket? Did he ever appear in the cartoon?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 14, 2011 22:36:32 GMT -5
Honestly? No. For me I grew up on Superted, GI Joe, Ghostbusters, He-Man, Centurions, Thundercats, Chuck Norris and the Karate Commandos, Toxic Avenger, Swamp Thing, Captain Planet, Tiny Toons, Transformers, Mr. T's cartoon, and the list goes on. To me those were and are the golden years of cartoons. I find it sad that kids today don't know real cartoons. By "real cartoons" you meant glorified toy commercials, right? Because that's more or less what all of those cartoons you listed were. Few of those cartoons have aged well, and some are just flat out stupid when watching them nowadays. No way, I actually mean cartoons. Sure as a kid I had quite a few of those toys and all, but never in my wildest imagination did I start watching them or continue watching them because of the merchandise.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 14, 2011 22:38:47 GMT -5
By "real cartoons" you meant glorified toy commercials, right? Because that's more or less what all of those cartoons you listed were. Few of those cartoons have aged well, and some are just flat out stupid when watching them nowadays. No way, I actually mean cartoons. Sure as a kid I had quite a few of those toys and all, but never in my wildest imagination did I start watching them or continue watching them because of the merchandise. Actually, the shows being the commercials, it would go the other way around. You'd get into the toy line because they made a show expressly to promote it, not get into the show because you like the toy line.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 14, 2011 22:46:45 GMT -5
No way, I actually mean cartoons. Sure as a kid I had quite a few of those toys and all, but never in my wildest imagination did I start watching them or continue watching them because of the merchandise. Actually, the shows being the commercials, it would go the other way around. You'd get into the toy line because they made a show expressly to promote it, not get into the show because you like the toy line. Actually, for me it was the opposite. Usually i'd already own the toy, and now heres a chance to see it given a voice and personality. Of course, it wasnt always succesful (they totally botched the concept of wingnut and screwloose on the TMNT cartoon, ditto slash, and i dont think we even got more than a cameo from Metalhead).
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Post by celticjobber on Jun 15, 2011 23:20:56 GMT -5
I usually hate remakes of classic cartoons but is this new Looney Tunes show is worth watching? From what I've seen of it, some of the voice actors are really sub-par.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jun 16, 2011 2:46:39 GMT -5
I think the golden age of cartoons depends on when you grew up. If you ask a 9 year old today what his most loved show is, it would be something like spongebob. If you ask a 9 year in the mid 90s what he likes, it will be something like dexters lab.
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