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Post by 4real on Jul 17, 2011 10:53:01 GMT -5
I loved it, so great to hear them making a great album again, I honestly didn't believe they had it left in them.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jul 17, 2011 11:16:04 GMT -5
So awesome to actually see a lot of appreciation for Death Magnetic in this thread. I'm so used to everyone shitting all over it just because it's new Metallica pretty much everywhere else on the internet.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 17, 2011 16:19:56 GMT -5
So awesome to actually see a lot of appreciation for Death Magnetic in this thread. I'm so used to everyone s***ting all over it just because it's new Metallica pretty much everywhere else on the internet. Yeah, go to metal boards and it, as well as Metallica is general gets crapped on. Some metal fans are worse then hipsters.
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 17, 2011 16:23:00 GMT -5
For everybody complaining about the sound mixing, see if you can find a place to get the Guitar Hero versions of the songs, all the mixing issues have been completely fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 17:01:56 GMT -5
I remember tuning in to Headbanger's Ball and they were in the middle of this awesome video full of zombies (All Nightmare Long), but it was during the instrumental section so I didn't know it was Metallica. I was thinking, "Who the hell is making this music and why haven't I heard from them?" But as soon as Kirk's solo kicked it, I realized it was them and had a good laugh.
Great album. I love All Nightmare Long and The Day That Never Comes.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 17, 2011 19:47:22 GMT -5
Bonus Video time! 1st up: A song "Death is Not the End" written during the DM sessions that they played live a couple times. Eventually scrapped, the intro making it's way into "End of the Line" and the solo into "All Nightmare Long"
2nd: Another that didn't make the final cut for Death Magnetic, Vulterous. Very catchy, hope they went back to work on the song for the next album.
Lastly: "Shadows of the Cross", written during the St. Anger sessions, and scrapped. Not a fan of the lyrics and singing of it, but the riff ended up being speed up and brought back in "All Nightmare Long".
Just think it's interesting how the songs evolve.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jul 17, 2011 20:19:39 GMT -5
its kinda of a missing link between AJFA and TBA
fantastic live but it really need that Bob Rock mixing similar to TBA, if only there was some way they could have used Bob Rock and Rick Rubin because they couldnt have made that album with Rock as the Producer
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 17, 2011 20:22:23 GMT -5
I was really bummed when I found out that Vulturous wouldn't be on Death Magnetic. I love the hell out of that song.
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Post by Bishblast on Jul 17, 2011 20:22:24 GMT -5
Not a fan, necessarily, but it was far better than St. Anger. I was very, very happy when I saw Metallica before this came out, and the newest song they played was one track from ReLoad.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 18, 2011 9:19:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I still to this day pinpoint this album as the moment when Metallica finally actually DID sell out.
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Post by W?Y on Jul 18, 2011 9:36:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I still to this day pinpoint this album as the moment when Metallica finally actually DID sell out. Go on...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 18, 2011 9:50:00 GMT -5
Metallica allegedly 'sold out' at numerous occasions in their career, and I think all of them are bulls*** but I'll focus on 1991, the most common one.
After The Black Album, where the hell were Metallica supposed to go next? One of the reasons I'm not as into heavy music as I used to be is that loads of bands just keep making the same record over and over again. One example is Iron Maiden, who add different nuances to different albums from time to time, but aside from a different vocalist, most of their songs could be swapped to another of their albums without a great deal of trouble.
So Metallica decided to try something different in the 1990s, actually trying to grow as artists. Last I checked, that's the direct opposite of selling out. That's trying to do something more interesting after you've got bored of just being metal all the time. I don't think writing a country song like 'Mama Said,' which is guaranteed to alienate your core audience of metalheads and be ignored by actual country fans (since, you know, it's on a Metallica album) is really the right way to go about selling out.
Yes, to sell out you kinda have to be in it for the money, and after The Black Album (which I don't think is a sellout, as it only streamlines their earlier thrash metal form; it's a perfectly logical reaction to the incredibly musically lengthy Justice) their sales comparatively dropped through the floor.
I'm not saying their records were selling badly, not at all, because that'd be a lie. I'm saying The Black Album sold 22 million copies and made them the biggest band on the planet for a while, and Load came around a whole five years later sounding NOTHING like the album which expanded their audience so much, and sold less than half that amount. Then ReLoad sold even worse. I think their nadir was Garage Inc which sold less than three million. Again, it'd be ridiculous to call that bad sales but compared to their high water mark it's chicken feed.
Then everyone decides Lars Ulrich is an asshole over the whole Napster thing, and that everyone else is an asshole after Jason Newsted quits - although based on what I've read about what they did to Newsted, I can't really argue. Then they make St. Anger, a conscious attempt to ape nu-metal. I suppose you could possibly consider that a sellout, but it's more the sound of a band on its ass trying to play catch up.
So what can they do? Over a decade of albums that were critical and (by their standards) commercial flops and legions of their fans calling them sellouts. What to do next?
Well obviously, you make an album that sounds exactly like your first five.
THAT is a f***ing sellout. 'Well, I tried to do something interesting as an artist after I'd taken metal as far as it could go, and our fans shat on it. SORRY FANS! COME BACK! HERE'S AN EIGHT MINUTE RIFFATHON WITH A GUITAR SOLO IN THE MIDDLE!' There's a song on Death Magnetic, I think it's called the Day That Never Comes, and you can actually f***ing sing Fade To Black over it.
Some call it back to basics. I call it realising that no-one will give a s*** about you unless you make the music that THEY want you to make. That is being a slave to your audience. That is doing it for the money, rather than for the sake of your art. That is selling out.
Feel free to disagree. Went on a bit of a rant, there. I look forward to people's responses, honestly, I love a good debate.
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Post by W?Y on Jul 18, 2011 10:42:53 GMT -5
To be honest, more than half of your rant was refreshing to hear from a Metallica fan. I've never understood either the hate that Load and ReLoad get for "being different" or "not as good", when there are perfectly good tracks on there that just sound different from what you'd expect from them. I've also always sided with Lars against Napster; how dare they demand money for the songs they worked to make?!
Now, as for Death Magnetic, I can't say I agree but I see your point, regardless. I always felt that their endeavours outside of metal were not only not terribly lucrative, but perhaps not creatively enough for them either. Going back to their old style was something I thought was something to get them in sync with each other and to rejuvenate themselves by going back to the style they first got into the business with. I'm sure you can interpret it in a few ways; that's mine.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 19, 2011 4:37:18 GMT -5
Yeah I always sided with Lars as well. It's kind of a context thing. People say 'Lars sued his own fans!' I say, 'Lars sued the assholes who were downloading his shit illegally.' That stuff is against the law.
And yeah, I've always found metal to be a bit of a dead-end with a lot of bands. Metallica kinda did as much as they could with it, and I honsetly think their 1990s stuff is way better because it's actually interesting. On the Load and ReLoad albums you never have a clue what's coming next. Also the stuff where they just tried to be slow and heavy can be great - I absolutely adore 'The Outlaw Torn.' It's so towering and epic. And I love 'Mama Said,' but then I love country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 13:26:06 GMT -5
The Unforgiven III should not have gone by that title, there is no continuity of sound from the first two at all, and it really just sounds like they had a hard time titling a song, and so decided to make it the third Unforgiven due to a few lyrics. I didn't even think it should have made the album. It's a decent song for sure, but it kills the vibe of the rest of the album for me. It should have been a b-side or itunes bonus track or something.
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Post by clifford on Jul 19, 2011 13:53:16 GMT -5
The Unforgiven III should not have gone by that title, there is no continuity of sound from the first two at all, and it really just sounds like they had a hard time titling a song, and so decided to make it the third Unforgiven due to a few lyrics. I didn't even think it should have made the album. It's a decent song for sure, but it kills the vibe of the rest of the album for me. It should have been a b-side or itunes bonus track or something. Its my favourite song on the album actually.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Jul 19, 2011 19:08:44 GMT -5
Yeah very good album indeed, people who complain about it I honestly don't know what they were expecting. Metallica already did Kill 'Em All/Lightning/Puppets/Justice and they don't want to just do that all over again. It was a good way of looking back to that era for influence and then creating a crushing more updated sound.
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