Burst
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Post by Burst on Mar 25, 2011 5:56:38 GMT -5
You always seem to see what-ifs asking what if HBK went to WCW to be with the Outsiders, but I don't think I've ever seen a topic asking the opposite. Course this all assumes that either Razor Ramon and Diesel never leave or come back after the nWo's first run.
Either way, I'd see Hall and Nash, if they had never left, slowly dropping the Razor and Diesel gimmicks like HHH dropped the blueblood gimmick, maybe only keeping it around in a nominal way (like how Trips is still kayfabe rich and such). I'd also see them taking the New Age Outlaw's spot in the DX army, so DX would pretty much be exclusively Klique. Dunno where that leaves Chyna, and X-Pac remains the hanger-on he's always been.
Also, either way Hall ends up like the Hall he is now, since late 90s HBK isn't going to do anything to help him, but we could have been spared stupid degrading angles about Hall's alcoholism. What do you all think?
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Greer
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Post by Greer on Mar 25, 2011 6:17:53 GMT -5
Interesting to say the least. I know it would never be possible but could you imagine if they had gotten out of their contracts in early 1998 when the nWo angle was beginning to run out of steam, and showed up the day after WM 14. The building would have exploded.
Had they never left...well it's hard to say. Who would be the leader of the group? Unless they used the Corre's way of thinking.
I imagine things would have been almost the same, storyline wise.
Hall and Nash take over the tag division, feuding with the Nation. HHH still feuds with Rocky. HBK on the sidelines out of action. I think it would have played out the same except for maybe backstage pull. That's where it gets scary.
Still a DX of Hall, Nash, HHH, HBK with Rude as the "insurance policy" would have been pretty badass.
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Corporate H
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Post by Corporate H on Mar 25, 2011 6:36:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure if they would have meshed as a group considering the original unit was essentially a mode of getting Triple H and Chyna over and then later on with the New Age Outlaws. Some could argue even that NAO was as benefitical to Triple H, X-Pac, and Chyna as they were to them. Adding Hall and Nash would create a giant clusterf*** of main eventers in one place which wouldn't really help anybody. Then again, so was the nWo and that angle would be seemingly non-existant without the help of The Outsiders...makes ya wonder.
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randomranter
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Post by randomranter on Mar 25, 2011 7:16:42 GMT -5
The question is would DX have existed at all?
DX was essentially Vince's answer to the NWO. If the NWO never formed or never became as successful as it was, would DX have ever formed in the first place?
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 25, 2011 7:19:46 GMT -5
If they had never left, I think Razor Ramon would have dropped the last name and would start acting more like the Scott Hall we saw in WCW. I think Nash would have kept the name Diesel, but would have become more like the Nash we saw in WCW. I think it could have been really entertaining to see all of them together as a faction.
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Post by kevservo on Mar 25, 2011 7:50:52 GMT -5
They pretty much were. I always considered DX to be a very exaggerated version of The Kliq.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 25, 2011 10:08:29 GMT -5
It all depends on when it happens, really. Had Hall and Nash never left and formed DX with the other Kliq members, the modern wrestling landscape would be a lot different. I don't see Austin and Rock's pushes happening, I see Mick Foley floundering in the midcard like most of the monsters created to fight the Undertaker over the years and HHH's push to the main event would also have suffered as there just isn't the space in the main event.
I don't see either Hart hanging around with the Kliq continuing to have a stranglehold on the main event so Bret would end up being part of the nWo with someone else, probably either Owen, Luger or Brian Pillman, as it would have happened regardless of Hall or Nash, though not as successfully. Regardless of politics and in ring ability, they had the mic skills and the physically dominating presence needed to push this angle to the heights it reached. Mind you, I do feel the Hogan heel turn would still have given them the lead over the WWF regardless.
The DX/Kliq would have similar problems to those they faced in the mid 90's and the NWO faced in 1998... Who do they feud with if you don't allow anyone to be built up who isn't your pal and get one over you? There are only so many feuds you can have with the perma-over Undertaker so any spike in popularity they caused would quickly decline. The attitude era wouldn't have happened and modern wrestling would be even more niche than it already is.
Shawn Michaels would be the one who really suffered, with his nemesis gone sooner, the main events where he sustained his injury wouldn't have happened, he wouldn't have retired when he did and to make matters worse, he would have had his drinking buddies around in Hall and Waltman. I see him becoming a Jake Roberts/Scott Hall character now, working indie shows assuming the worst didn't happen.
Had the full Kliq DX happened after WCW had folded, in the place of the NWO revival, I see it generating a lot more money over time as they weren't relying entirely on the unreliable Scott Hall (Who never EVER should have been put into a feud with someone whose gimmick is a beer drinking everyman), the injury prone Nash and Hogan, who was always going to get facepops after a return to the WWF as he's their guy he was the face of the company for so long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 14:37:58 GMT -5
I may be in the very bottom minority with this but if Hall and Nash hadn't left I think Hall would have been the WWE Champion at some point...He was massively over
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Post by Disaster Report on Mar 25, 2011 14:59:51 GMT -5
Tough to say, if you look at it as them coming back after WM14. As hot as the nWo was, by the time WM14 happened, Austin was even hotter. But Nash gets on good with Vince, so maybe there would've been Nash feuding with Austin through 98? I could see Hall in the IC picture again, and guys like Rock and Shamrock never quite getting a break as a result.
It's interesting from a fantasy standpoint, but it's probably a good thing for the business that this didn't happen. A slow 96 and 97 kind of forced WWF to make new stars, and that's never a bad thing.
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 25, 2011 15:25:47 GMT -5
I don't think WCW would have become as popular as they did.
Also I don't think DX would have existed. I think it would have jsut been called The Klique and it would have been
HBK(leader) HHH Diesel and Razor(tag team) 123 Kid Chyna
Technically before HBK and HHH became DX they were calling themselves The Klique for a few weeks.
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Smokestack Lightnin'
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Post by Smokestack Lightnin' on Mar 25, 2011 15:43:03 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels would be WWE Champion Kevin Nash would be Intercontinental Champion Scott Hall would have been European Champion Triple H would've been a Tag Team Champion with either Hall or Chyna.
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