Fang
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Post by Fang on Mar 15, 2011 18:50:48 GMT -5
Exactly You seriously think he'll be playing second fiddle to Snooki? If her actions last night were any indication she couldn't dominate a scene if her life depended on it. Expect plenty of Morrison and Ziggler. Do you really think that jersey shore fans are going to pay 50$ to see Snooki in a 5-10 minute match? Seriously. WTF. This is SNOOKI. In two years she won't even be relevant and this is being generous. She is not that big of a star. Non-Wrestling fans are NOT going to buy a ppv because of her. A lot of this is just from people who clearly aren't Morrison fans. If it were someone they liked, they would be up in arms. Seriously. Just a ton of bias going on if you think Morrison couldn't be a main event level guy. Well, he "can't talk". But is still extremely over.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Mar 15, 2011 18:53:11 GMT -5
Bias?
No bias, he isn't the top face on RAW. Not the second one either, or the third. And thats not counting Smackdown. The tiers just aren't matching up yet for him to get a main match at Mania right now.
He'll have a better shot next year. Maybe he'll have a character then too.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Mar 15, 2011 18:54:41 GMT -5
I'm a big Morrison fan. I think with a few tweaks he could be WWE Champion right now.
This still isn't a big deal.
Morrison will do fine. He'll be at 'Mania, in a match he was always pencilled in for. He was never going to get a singles match at the event this year. He'll probably get a few TV spots for this. It won't be amazing but I'll assume he'll do well in his part of the match against Dolph Ziggler.
It's not fantastic, and it's no MitB, but I'll take this over the pre-show battle royal or even something like his match last year. Who knows, he might even get more than 3 minutes this time.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 15, 2011 19:00:40 GMT -5
According to the Snooki thread below, you and I are apparently whiny idiots for thinking Wrestlemania should feature any wrestling that might get in the way of the celebrity cameo comedy skits. Morrison should feel privileged to get five minutes to play second fiddle to a C-list celebrity. He's just a midcarder who can't talk. Imagine what a disaster Wrestlemania 3 would've been if they'd ditched the Ricky Steamboat and Elvira dance-off to waste time giving that midcarder-with-no-mic-skills a 15 minute match or something. I mean, it's not like Ricky f***ing Steamboat is going to bring in any mainstream publicity or buyrates, so he's lucky to be on the card at all. Yeah, or imagine if they had Hulk Hogan teaming with some non-wrestler celebrity! What a disaster that Wrestlemania would be, eh?
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 15, 2011 19:01:55 GMT -5
According to the Snooki thread below, you and I are apparently whiny idiots for thinking Wrestlemania should feature any wrestling that might get in the way of the celebrity cameo comedy skits. Morrison should feel privileged to get five minutes to play second fiddle to a C-list celebrity. He's just a midcarder who can't talk. Imagine what a disaster Wrestlemania 3 would've been if they'd ditched the Ricky Steamboat and Elvira dance-off to waste time giving that midcarder-with-no-mic-skills a 15 minute match or something. I mean, it's not like Ricky f***ing Steamboat is going to bring in any mainstream publicity or buyrates, so he's lucky to be on the card at all. Eh, I see this as analogous to the Hillbilly Jim and midgets vs King Kong Bundy and midgets match at that show. It's a harmless comedy match, Dolph and Morrison will survive it.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Mar 15, 2011 19:03:12 GMT -5
Do you really think that jersey shore fans are going to pay 50$ to see Snooki in a 5-10 minute match? Seriously. WTF. This is SNOOKI. In two years she won't even be relevant and this is being generous. She is not that big of a star. Non-Wrestling fans are NOT going to buy a ppv because of her. A lot of this is just from people who clearly aren't Morrison fans. If it were someone they liked, they would be up in arms. Seriously. Just a ton of bias going on if you think Morrison couldn't be a main event level guy. Well, he "can't talk". But is still extremely over. If you want to use that argument then you could use it for Ziggler as well & I'm a huge Ziggler fan & I still have no complaints.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Mar 15, 2011 19:04:30 GMT -5
Exactly You seriously think he'll be playing second fiddle to Snooki? If her actions last night were any indication she couldn't dominate a scene if her life depended on it. Expect plenty of Morrison and Ziggler. Do you really think that jersey shore fans are going to pay 50$ to see Snooki in a 5-10 minute match? Yes
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Post by Kay Faban on Mar 15, 2011 19:08:32 GMT -5
Wait, Zack Ryder is a face now?
PS: Love multiple threads.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Mar 15, 2011 19:10:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I love Ziggler and I love this match for him. The Edge thing was done and there wasn't anything else he could have done in short notice.
Moving to RAW and starting off in one of the more talked about segments is a good start.
Its one PPV. The one PPV built up as an "Entertainment Spectacle", with celebrities, bright lights, and big stars all around. They were able to bring in a ton of old stars and a celebrity for this one PPV, and the matches are all having a bit of anticipation behind them
But its just one PPV. After this most, if not all of those guys will largely be gone and the Morrisons and Zigglers get have plenty of oppurtunity to gain more momentum so when next year hits, they can possibly be where the Miz is now.
Its all about build and timing and they got a pretty decent role this time, but not 'the main' one. Ziggler especially caught on quick. They'll be fine.
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Post by machomuta on Mar 15, 2011 19:14:10 GMT -5
Do you really think that jersey shore fans are going to pay 50$ to see Snooki in a 5-10 minute match? Yes Why do you believe that?
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Post by Kay Faban on Mar 15, 2011 19:23:53 GMT -5
I don't know that people that like Jersey Shore and don't like wrestling are going to suddenly buy the PPV, but that's not what they're really going for.
Putting someone like Snooki on the card gets media attention. Those media outlets reach people that might have some interest in wrestling, but do not actively follow the product. If some of those fans look into WrestleMania, and then decide to buy it then that's a huge win.
Dolph vs. JoMo was not going to do that. Entertainment shows and websites would not report on that match, and would not go out to people that are not in the normal sphere of the WWE Universe.
Thinking this is a slight to Morrison or Ziggler is also foolish. This is high profile, they were chosen for this angle because the WWE has invested time in their characters and, by all appearances, will continue to invest in their futures.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Mar 15, 2011 19:28:20 GMT -5
She has a very strong & loyal fanbase. If she tells them to buy it they'll do it.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Mar 15, 2011 19:31:25 GMT -5
If people are willing to buy a book she wrote, not even a shitty biography but a fiction book, then I can see at least a few Snooki fans paying out for 'Mania.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 15, 2011 19:33:12 GMT -5
Wait, Zack Ryder is a face now? Nah but I think he should turn just for this.
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Post by pink on Mar 15, 2011 19:36:35 GMT -5
And besides, Ziggler-Morrison can always happen at Extreme Rules.
And how about the fact that before this whole thing happened he wasn't in a feud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 21:16:21 GMT -5
I see Morrison and Ziggler in the same position that Jericho was in during the Legend's gauntlet match, Big Show against Mayweather, and Bam Bam against Lawrence Taylor. You have two talented guys that are going to sustain the match and, if they show how reliable they are, they are going to look very, very good afterwords.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 15, 2011 21:18:39 GMT -5
If it ends with some good press on Ziggler and Morrison, I won't hate it too much.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Mar 15, 2011 21:49:48 GMT -5
Do you really think that jersey shore fans are going to pay 50$ to see Snooki in a 5-10 minute match? Yes For want of a better phrase, thats f***ing stupid. Its like people who are convinced in MMA that Kimbo Slice wouldve been a monster PPV draw. He drew good ratings because its free to watch CBS. People will not pay $50 just to see Snooki for ten minutes. There is no rational argument to counter this. Claiming she has a "loyal fanbase" doesnt mean anything. It isnt like she is releasing a book or a fragrance. Its a 10 min spot in a comedy match. Which costs a lot more than her fragrance hypothetically would, or her book actually does.
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Post by Bake Or Die on Mar 15, 2011 21:55:43 GMT -5
For want of a better phrase, thats f***ing stupid. Its like people who are convinced in MMA that Kimbo Slice wouldve been a monster PPV draw. He drew good ratings because its free to watch CBS. People will not pay $50 just to see Snooki for ten minutes. There is no rational argument to counter this. Claiming she has a "loyal fanbase" doesnt mean anything. It isnt like she is releasing a book or a fragrance. Its a 10 min spot in a comedy match. Which costs a lot more than her fragrance hypothetically would, or her book actually does. A angry rant is the best defense you could come up with? You can't say what her fanbase would do because obviously you're not one of them. A celebrity is able to sell anything to their fans.
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Mac
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Post by Mac on Mar 15, 2011 22:06:06 GMT -5
JoMo v Kofi in a 20 minute match for tge IC title would be a great opener for a PPV. But since the IC title seems banned from Mania Im not shocked they went with a celebrity match
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