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Post by saintpat on Mar 6, 2011 0:30:16 GMT -5
On Smackdown, it seemed to me as if the crowd was giving the Deadman a pretty deadman reaction during his long promo.
When Taker paused for reaction, the reaction was pretty mild. And the crowd just didn't seem into it.
I'm just wondering why other people think that was the case.
I think his act has just gotten old, and that there's little anticipation for a matchup because there's no doubt that Taker is going to win.
Pick any two of the above, or supply your own reasoning.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 6, 2011 0:32:08 GMT -5
1) It was incredibly lame. 2) It's the same goddamn promo Undertaker cuts all the time.
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Post by Big L on Mar 6, 2011 0:35:00 GMT -5
It's old and we all know Takers gonna win regardless of how close HHH gets
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 0:35:53 GMT -5
I say turn him heel. He should book end his career like that. Also, there are plenty of more fresher match ups if he went heel.
vs.
Bryan Morrison Orton with the roles reversed Kofi Christian
Just to name a few.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 6, 2011 0:41:30 GMT -5
I say turn him heel. He should book end his career like that. Also, there are plenty of more fresher match ups if he went heel. vs. Bryan Morrison Orton with the roles reversed Kofi Christian Just to name a few. I wouldn't mind it, but good luck getting people to boo Undertaker.
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Post by ptp2011 on Mar 6, 2011 0:44:54 GMT -5
Undertaker's porno?
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Post by Vampiro138 on Mar 6, 2011 1:04:57 GMT -5
people have heard it a million times already...and they know HHH isnt going to win...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 1:18:12 GMT -5
Is it really necessary for every HHH opponent to put over how great he is?
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Post by woowoowoox on Mar 6, 2011 1:29:29 GMT -5
Because he's stale as f***.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 6, 2011 1:36:46 GMT -5
Is it really necessary for every HHH opponent to put over how great he is? Not as necessary, apparently, as it is for any wrestler who writes a bio published by WWE. Talk about some serious fanny-kissing.
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Post by joebob27 on Mar 6, 2011 2:33:50 GMT -5
Well, they've rebooted his character slightly for the 800th time. That doesn't help. He talked too much. Deadman character doesn't talk that much. But he talked boringly, like the deadman character would. And it went on. And on. Like that intentionally awful promo w/ Big Show that Jericho interupted when Jericho was starting up in WWF.
They have to decide whether he's the Undertaker or Mark. Seems to vary by the year. They might as well have had him come out there as himself, he's at the end of the line anyway.
Not to mention, Mark was kind of a jobber compared to the Undertaker, someone might actually think Trips would win the match, and be interested. Trips ain't beating the Undertaker. Hopefully they don't give this 25-30 minutes. Shawn Michaels ain't walking through that door.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 6, 2011 2:43:00 GMT -5
I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again: If WWE thinks Undertaker/HHH is going to draw the same kind of hype and excitement as either Undertaker/HBK match, they're in for a very rude awakening.
And I expect all sorts of excuses will be suggested at Titan Towers for why the angle wasn't as big a hit as was hoped, ignoring the most obvious one.
As it stands, this match desperately needs more of a hook to feel at all special. There's been all sorts of speculation about Michaels as guest referee, or HHH putting his career on the line... but as it stands, they've had plenty of opportunities to start building up extra stipulations, and they haven't; this feels like Cena-Orton staredown sort of thing, where the bookers so desperately want us to believe this is special that they've failed to come up with any reasons why it's special.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Mar 6, 2011 2:54:25 GMT -5
And I expect all sorts of excuses will be suggested at Titan Towers for why the angle wasn't as big a hit as was hoped. Vince - WHY DIDNT THIS ANGLE WORK!!?!?!?! Kevin Dunn - uuh...that one guy... Johnny Ace - BRYAN DANIELSON!!!! Kevin Dunn - YES!! Danielson is the reason why the angle failed..EVERYTHING wrong with this company is all because of him!!! Vince - Danielson huh?? THAT CANT ALL BE IT DAMNIT!!! Kevin Dunn - uuuh... Johnny Ace - CM PUNK!!! Kevin Dunn - YES!! THANK YOU JOHNNY!!! yes sir...that CM Punk guy helped Danielson in making Hunter and Taker not matter to the people...this is all 100% on them sir!!!!! Vince - Bryan and Punk....YES!! BRYAN AND PUNK!!!! ITS ALL BRYAN AND PUNKS FAULT DAMNIT!!! FIRE THEM AT ONCE!!!!! Dunn and Ace - ON IT SIR!!! Vince - good good....however we did a good job with the african american market...whos responsible for this? Kevin Dunn - uuuh... Johnny Ace - DAVID OTUNGA!!!! Kevin Dunn - YES!! its David Otunga, everybody likes him. Vince - Otunga ay...MAKE SURE HE GETS A RAISE!! AND GIVE HIM AN EXTENTION!! I DONT WANT HIM LEAVING THIS COMPANY!!! *the next morning* "wwe has come to terms with the release of Daniel Bryan and CM Punk...we are also very excited about the new 20 year 32 million a year deal we gave David Otunga who is going to be the face of the wwe for years to come"
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 6, 2011 3:24:52 GMT -5
Wow, going back and watching this segment again, you're right. The crowd was incredibly quiet for what is supposed to be the marquee match for this year's Wrestlemania. Though they did at least give him a decent pop at the end.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 6, 2011 3:25:16 GMT -5
I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again: If WWE thinks Undertaker/HHH is going to draw the same kind of hype and excitement as either Undertaker/HBK match, they're in for a very rude awakening. And I expect all sorts of excuses will be suggested at Titan Towers for why the angle wasn't as big a hit as was hoped, ignoring the most obvious one. As it stands, this match desperately needs more of a hook to feel at all special. There's been all sorts of speculation about Michaels as guest referee, or HHH putting his career on the line... but as it stands, they've had plenty of opportunities to start building up extra stipulations, and they haven't; this feels like Cena-Orton staredown sort of thing, where the bookers so desperately want us to believe this is special that they've failed to come up with any reasons why it's special. Not to mention blatantly ignoring the prior history the two have together. At some point, ONE of them ought to have mentioned it. I think in this case, WWE seriously over-estimated the "continuity ignorance" of it's fans. Especially since we've SEEN the ending to their X-7 match in every "streak" promo for the last few years....so why NOT admit that Hunter wants another crack at it to avenge Shawn and be done with it? Like you said, they want us to believe this is special, like HBK/UT, but unlike in EITHER of those two matches, there's no Shawn putting over how DESPERATELY he NEEDS to beat the Undertaker.
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Post by joebob27 on Mar 6, 2011 3:34:34 GMT -5
I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again: If WWE thinks Undertaker/HHH is going to draw the same kind of hype and excitement as either Undertaker/HBK match, they're in for a very rude awakening. And I expect all sorts of excuses will be suggested at Titan Towers for why the angle wasn't as big a hit as was hoped, ignoring the most obvious one. As it stands, this match desperately needs more of a hook to feel at all special. There's been all sorts of speculation about Michaels as guest referee, or HHH putting his career on the line... but as it stands, they've had plenty of opportunities to start building up extra stipulations, and they haven't; this feels like Cena-Orton staredown sort of thing, where the bookers so desperately want us to believe this is special that they've failed to come up with any reasons why it's special. Not to mention blatantly ignoring the prior history the two have together. At some point, ONE of them ought to have mentioned it. I think in this case, WWE seriously over-estimated the "continuity ignorance" of it's fans. Especially since we've SEEN the ending to their X-7 match in every "streak" promo for the last few years....so why NOT admit that Hunter wants another crack at it to avenge Shawn and be done with it? Like you said, they want us to believe this is special, like HBK/UT, but unlike in EITHER of those two matches, there's no Shawn putting over how DESPERATELY he NEEDS to beat the Undertaker. Mark the Bikertaker never existed, thus it can't be mentioned. That Trips jobbed in that match, thus making it obvious he would in this one too, that's just a nice fringe benefit to not mentioning it. Of course, if through some miracle of god they got Lesnar for this match, then Mark would be allowed to re-exist because it would be "shootier" for him to be real. I don't really recall them bringing up any of his WM matches in that persona recently, either Trips, Flair or the A-Train/Show debacle.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 6, 2011 3:39:10 GMT -5
Not to mention blatantly ignoring the prior history the two have together. At some point, ONE of them ought to have mentioned it. I think in this case, WWE seriously over-estimated the "continuity ignorance" of it's fans. Especially since we've SEEN the ending to their X-7 match in every "streak" promo for the last few years....so why NOT admit that Hunter wants another crack at it to avenge Shawn and be done with it? Like you said, they want us to believe this is special, like HBK/UT, but unlike in EITHER of those two matches, there's no Shawn putting over how DESPERATELY he NEEDS to beat the Undertaker. Mark the Bikertaker never existed, thus it can't be mentioned. That Trips jobbed in that match, thus making it obvious he would in this one too, that's just a nice fringe benefit to not mentioning it. Of course, if through some miracle of god they got Lesnar for this match, then Mark would be allowed to re-exist because it would be "shootier" for him to be real. I don't really recall them bringing up any of his WM matches in that persona recently, either Trips, Flair or the A-Train/Show debacle. Even allowing for that (Which I don't agree with, since I KNOW they have that shot of HHH eating a tombstone in the "Streak vignette" from last year) there's still no "spark" to this like there was with Michaels. Hunter can try and tell us how great he is all he wants...he can tell us that he's the "last challenge" or whatever how many ever times he wants...but all THIS is proving is that Taker already conquered his LAST truly important challenger when he beat Michaels the first time. THAT being said, I stand by my assertion that they're gonna put Hunter over UNLESS Michaels gets involved somehow, just to fly in the face of EVERY last shred of common sense.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 6, 2011 3:49:45 GMT -5
I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again: If WWE thinks Undertaker/HHH is going to draw the same kind of hype and excitement as either Undertaker/HBK match, they're in for a very rude awakening. And I expect all sorts of excuses will be suggested at Titan Towers for why the angle wasn't as big a hit as was hoped, ignoring the most obvious one. As it stands, this match desperately needs more of a hook to feel at all special. There's been all sorts of speculation about Michaels as guest referee, or HHH putting his career on the line... but as it stands, they've had plenty of opportunities to start building up extra stipulations, and they haven't; this feels like Cena-Orton staredown sort of thing, where the bookers so desperately want us to believe this is special that they've failed to come up with any reasons why it's special. exactly. i felt this way from the first time they locked eyes on Raw. i was completely underwhelmed. you can tell they assumed the 'star power' would be enough to make it a big deal. the execution has been extremely poor. i still contest that had Wade Barrett kept momentum and still was in charge of Nexus that match would have been much more intriguing than what we're getting. i'd rather see a revenge match than a 'respect' match tbh. or at least give the 'respect' match a hook, as said above. i dunno....i don't think the longest HHH promo in the world can save this one. it needs action. either go full jean jacket/leather jacket HHH or go mind games lewd DX HHH. Undertaker doesn't have many options as far as character with this little time to 'Mania. HHH however can alter his role easily to fit a situation. it needs depth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 4:30:09 GMT -5
Number of reasons, some of which have been outlined above:
1. Undertaker is wearing thin, creative wise. Heel turn would work, but nobody's buying it if it happens. They tried it, I think, with Paul Bearer and the cement. Didn't work.
2. The new music is cool, but jarring.
3. Triple H hasn't been seen on television in months, and even his shtick is getting worn.
4. It would appear that Mark Callaway the man got tired of playing Undertaker the character, and creative gave him this to work with instead. That's all fine and el-dandy, but use some vocal inflection. I'm glad all the corny "reaper of souls" talk is gone, and all, but be more the man than the character. Haters be damned, ABA Undertaker is still my favorite. Ever.
5. This whole streak thing in general... no one believes anyone will ever break it, just because 20 is a nice rounded off number you can slap on a DVD when taker retires at the end of 2012. It was a novel idea 5 years ago, or so, but now no one believes that there's a human being on God's earth who has a shot. not even Superman Cena. Then again, when Taker retires, what's he got? He never seemed like the type of guy that wanted to be a belt hog, so I guess the streak is what the WWE gives him to be remembered by. Pretty lame, though.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Mar 6, 2011 4:40:46 GMT -5
Cause it was the same damn thing he always did albeit longer.
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