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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 6, 2011 4:42:18 GMT -5
Cody Rhode's promo pretty blew 'Taker's out of the water and then stomped it into a bloody paste, so there's that too.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 6, 2011 5:28:46 GMT -5
Quite frankly, it was pretty lame because we've heard it all before. The "Streak versus" match has become extremely repetitive. Then again, it's hard to expect much else when the whole buildup is "I'm gonna be the one to break the streak" and that's damn near all. The reason he even has a streak in the first place is because he had a boatload of legitimate feuds, and because of his skill and power, he was capable of coming out on top. Even recently, when you look at the better Taker matches, there was some kind of build: Orton wanted to add Taker to his list of legends, he won the Rumble and challenged Batista, and Edge screwed Taker out of being World Champion and simultaneously put him on injury. Michaels is one of the few superstars in the business that doesn't need a reason to challenge someone because he's Shawn freakin' Michaels! That isn't enough for HHH, especially if you already know they've faced each other, plus the blatant elephant in the room that he has yet to resolve anything with his brother or Corre and HHH has yet to solve anything with Sheamus.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 6, 2011 5:40:09 GMT -5
Quite frankly, it was pretty lame because we've heard it all before. The "Streak versus" match has become extremely repetitive. Then again, it's hard to expect much else when the whole buildup is "I'm gonna be the one to break the streak" and that's damn near all. The reason he even has a streak in the first place is because he had a boatload of legitimate feuds, and because of his skill and power, he was capable of coming out on top. Even recently, when you look at the better Taker matches, there was some kind of build: Orton wanted to add Taker to his list of legends, he won the Rumble and challenged Batista, and Edge screwed Taker out of being World Champion and simultaneously put him on injury. Michaels is one of the few superstars in the business that doesn't need a reason to challenge someone because he's Shawn freakin' Michaels! That isn't enough for HHH, especially if you already know they've faced each other, plus the blatant elephant in the room that he has yet to resolve anything with his brother or Corre and HHH has yet to solve anything with Sheamus. HHH solved Sheamus in about ten seconds on RAW. Blink and you might miss it. Shemus/HHH is done, as far as I can see.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2011 6:36:44 GMT -5
Im excited for the match but I think its a multitude of factors of why they dont like it.
I think theres a thing with wrestling fans,that if you keep on taking a leave of absense and then come back and immedately dominate after a few times of doing that it strikes them as odd. I knew this guy who was a BIG stone cold fan. Idolized him to the point of almost being creepy. And one time,during austins stage of just showing up randomly and giving people stunners he was talking to me and he said"STONE COLD CAME BACK". I thought he was excited so I was like"Oh thats cool",he then said"NO MAN IT SUCKED..WHY DOES HE HAVE TO KEEP ON DOING THAT". I responded"but you love the guy" and he was like "yeah but he's just going to leave again".
They get to the stage where they dont trust people as much. It's like it reminds people that its not real,that people are mortals. I dont fully get it but its the way i rationalise it.
There's also the fact that hes been going slowly downhill creatively. The undertaker-edge feud was a wrestling work of art and then he did some admittedly not as good but none the less cool things with big show,lost the title to triple h and then got involved with michaels in possibly one of the best matches and feuds of all time.
Then he left,obviously cause he had a long run that was basically the best of his career. Then he came back and everybody was all excited but it just went downhill. He started feuding with punk and in his feud basically inadvertenly killed punks heat as THE top guy on that brand. Plus the feud just didnt live up to the expectations that he had set with his previous run. Then he engages in a long title run that was kinda unremarkable. He loses the title to jericho who had engaged in a mini feud that was disapointing because it was a dream feud that wasnt treated well.
He then feuds with shawn and in the process basically regains momentum and had one of the best matches in his career,finally finding the groove he had. Then he leaves again leaving that momentum in the dust. He comes back and has a mini run that is considered maybe his worst run of all time and anti climatically gets injured.
He's just been disapointing people. Compare that to triple h who say what you will about the guy but left in a hot feud with sheamus which was predated by a critically panned but beloved by audiences feel good run with shawn. He left wwe as the game and came back as the game,taker didnt come back as the phenom. The fans love hhh to a degree that surprises even me,whos one of his biggest fans on here.
And another thing,for the obvious. Taker is a good promo guy but..thats not what people tune in for him for. He's a freakin undead grim avenger. He's supposed to not talk and just stand there and look cool. Its like orton. You dont want to see orton go there and deliver a 10 minute promo,you want to see him rko people.
Also I know this is weird but..I've kinda noticed orton slowly taking undertakers spot. Inhuman grim badass whos damn near indestructable and maybe the most over guy on the roster,all while not having a world title. Hell,people used to call taker basically the batman of the wwe and thats the direction ortons going in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 10:04:08 GMT -5
It was lame and we've heard it 1,000 times.
They do what they can to try and make this character still relevant and interesting, but a new song and a tweaked-out look does not change the fact that the guy is dull as dishwater, not to mention getting a little long in the tooth. I don't care what fad Undertaker is going with this week, I really don't care to see him. He could dress up in his outfit from Suburban Commando for all I care.
To get a pop from me, they should have had 'Taker vs. Kane and Triple H vs. Sheamus. That was a natural progression. Instead, we get to see Brisco County Jr. vs. Ray Bradstone. The ONLY thing that piques my interest is seeing how Shawn fits into all of this, and I'm speaking as a non-fan of HBK. Otherwise there's no real interest in this match from me.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2011 10:05:04 GMT -5
It was lame and we've heard it 1,000 times. They do what they can to try and make this character still relevant and interesting, but a new song and a tweaked-out look does not change the fact that the guy is dull as dishwater, not to mention getting a little long in the tooth. I don't care what fad Undertaker is going with this week, I really don't care to see him. He could dress up in his outfit from Suburban Commando for all I care. To get a pop from me, they should have had 'Taker vs. Kane and Triple H vs. Sheamus. That was a natural progression. Instead, we get to see Brisco County Jr. vs. Ray Bradstone. The ONLY thing that piques my interest is seeing how Shawn fits into all of this, and I'm speaking as a non-fan of HBK. Otherwise there's no real interest in this match from me. Hey! bruce campbell at mania would be wonderful,dont lie.
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Post by Piccolo on Mar 6, 2011 10:49:55 GMT -5
I think certain opponents contrast well with Taker, and make him seem more exciting. Triple H in the role of the honorable veteran competitor isn't really that type of opponent. Michaels spiced it up by being, the first time, a jerk who disrespected and mocked Taker, making it fun to root for him to get put in his place. That dynamic works for them... it worked way back when, it works now. The second time around, he injected some interest with the retirement/obsession angle. Both times, it's Michaels bringing the novelty. Taker's the windmill he's tilting against... an immovable giant whose victory is inevitable. There was some spark in the idea that, against all odds, an obsessive and brilliant opponent might be able to take him down despite all the reasons we knew it wouldn't happen, but largely these were personality-driven stories.
So far, Triple H brings only what Taker brings... he's also an immovable object whose victory is usually inevitable. There's no reason for the audience to want to see Taker kick his ass, and there's no reason for the audience to want to see Triple H break the streak. They need to make this more personal because of the types of performers these two are. The reason their first, silent encounter worked was because there WAS personal animus implied... the disrespect of cutting off Taker's triumphant return, the defiance of the crotch chop and what it symbolized (ie, vengeance). All that seems to have drained out of the feud on subsequent promos, which is why I'd guess the crowd (and I) have ceased to care about it.
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Post by andy82 on Mar 6, 2011 12:33:03 GMT -5
Bland, heatless feud between two guys who are well past their prime, where there is an obvious outcome.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 6, 2011 16:24:55 GMT -5
Ironic thing is, if the dirtsheets are to be believed (and in this case it rings true IMO), Triple H and Undertaker got together and decided there was no marquee matchup for WM27 and decided that they were the answer.
So the two most powerful men on the roster have joined forces to save WM (in reality, to make themselves relevant by putting themselves on top of the card) and the reaction of the collective WWE Universe so far is: yawn.
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Post by Fade on Mar 6, 2011 16:29:52 GMT -5
They're both blatantly phoning it in.
I did like the change of song, for what it's worth.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Mar 6, 2011 16:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 6, 2011 16:44:35 GMT -5
They gave him a big cheer in his entrance and a big cheer at the end.
Maybe they were just.. listening?
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