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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Apr 17, 2011 7:56:56 GMT -5
Meh. He bitches and moans so much, it's probably for the best
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Post by blackmegaman on Apr 17, 2011 10:29:21 GMT -5
There is simply no argument for anything other than the InVasion, there just isn't. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The InVasion should have been the biggest. Thing. Ever. in the history of wrestling. It should have been so huge that it basically killed the industry by eclipsing anything else that could possibly happen. WCW vs. WWF was the dream of so many fans for so many years, and they f***ed it up. QFT And I see a lot of people saying the Nexus thing was the biggest , while yes it was a REALLY big mess up they can always just wait a few years and try that angle out agian , but the Invasion was once in a lifetime...there are no do overs with a angle like that and they royally screwed that up.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 17, 2011 10:46:19 GMT -5
Nexus to me is actually the opposite, in that they drew money off of something for a while that probably shouldn't have drawn at all. At the end of the day it was still a bunch of green rookies trying to beat up the top stars of the company.
By default I had to go with The Invasion. The others aren't really a big deal. Cryme Tyme were reasonably over but had no real impact on business either way. Burchill's pirate gimmick wouldn't have been a long term idea, and I hate to say it but I just never saw that much in Burchill.
London and Kendrick are non stars, so them being released meant nothing. Kennedy being released also meant nothing and everything he's done in TNA has shown why he isn't a top guy. Miz being champion hasn't had a detrimental effect on business so it's not a major goof. Releasing Angle wasn't a goof because at the time it had to be done and I'm not sure Angle could have lasted much longer on a WWE schedule.
That said, I don't necessarily view the Invasion as the colossal disaster that others do. Here's the reality check: WCW was toast by 2001. As in no one could possibly care. Nobody wanted to see those guys take over Raw or anything stupid like that (which was the initial proposition until TNN nixed the idea).
Of all those guys I think they should have gone after Goldberg to at least bring him in and job out to Austin. But then with Austin as the heel do you really put him over Goldberg? Or do you keep Austin with the WWF, simply forget he turned at WM, and make Goldberg the heel? The situation was a booking nightmare.
The irony is that WCW was so wrecked by that point that ECW was actually doing better PPV numbers and Heyman had lost his TV deal and was going broke.
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Post by Raul on Apr 17, 2011 10:49:47 GMT -5
>Making Miz a champion
why.
Nexus was the biggest f***ing goof WWE has made in the past ten years.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 17, 2011 12:36:49 GMT -5
There is simply no argument for anything other than the InVasion, there just isn't. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The InVasion should have been the biggest. Thing. Ever. in the history of wrestling. It should have been so huge that it basically killed the industry by eclipsing anything else that could possibly happen. WCW vs. WWF was the dream of so many fans for so many years, and they f***ed it up. 100% this.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 17, 2011 12:46:50 GMT -5
There is simply no argument for anything other than the InVasion, there just isn't. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The InVasion should have been the biggest. Thing. Ever. in the history of wrestling. It should have been so huge that it basically killed the industry by eclipsing anything else that could possibly happen. WCW vs. WWF was the dream of so many fans for so many years, and they f***ed it up. If they had all the actual talent for WCW available for them, I'd agree.
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Post by snookimaniac on Apr 17, 2011 17:03:39 GMT -5
when they brought Golbderg in they made him sell
why was Goldberg selling for Chris Jericho in a ten minutre match? should have been a squash
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Post by BIG DUNC on Apr 17, 2011 17:47:37 GMT -5
Can't believe no ones mentioned tazz... when vince himself acknowledges he dropped the ball, you know it's bad.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 17, 2011 18:33:59 GMT -5
There is simply no argument for anything other than the InVasion, there just isn't. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The InVasion should have been the biggest. Thing. Ever. in the history of wrestling. It should have been so huge that it basically killed the industry by eclipsing anything else that could possibly happen. WCW vs. WWF was the dream of so many fans for so many years, and they f***ed it up. If they had all the actual talent for WCW available for them, I'd agree. Yeah but if Vince had opened the purse strings to buy those guys out, he could've made WAY more money in the long run from it. I think pride may also have been an issue. Apart from which, if he HAD got those guys, I bet the booking would've been the exact same - i.e. the WWF guys destroying the WCW guys at almost every turn.
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Post by andy82 on Apr 17, 2011 19:12:06 GMT -5
Can't believe no ones mentioned tazz... when vince himself acknowledges he dropped the ball, you know it's bad. Wasn't Tazz already pretty much crippled when Vince signed him though?
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Post by Danimal on Apr 18, 2011 2:09:41 GMT -5
Definitely the Invasion. And for the follow up, I think Pirate Paul could have been gold. Meanwhile I think they were quite wise to get rid of Kennedy, he's terrible, and his run in TNA has been worthy of being in TNA. You are ridiculously wrong about Kennedy/Anderson. His heel run was easily the best thing going in either company.
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Post by ihuntthereforiam on Apr 18, 2011 2:24:45 GMT -5
What about bringing back ECW andpaul heyman back only to completly change December to Dismember and firing heyman for it when they changed it?! Seriously ONS and ONS2 were mega PPVs that sold huge but when they actually gave ECW it's on show they ruined it with all sorts inane ideas.
The zombie? Batista in the hammerstein ballroom? Randy Orton in the hammerstein ballrom? Bobby lashley?! HARDCORE HOLLY!? Firing kevin thorne?!! Kelly Kelly on ECW!!!!!!!?!??!?!? An Elimnation chamber at an ECW PPV?/!?!??!?!?
ECW could've been a great third brand but instead we got...whatever that was.
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Post by Thynny Fat Ass on Apr 18, 2011 14:41:41 GMT -5
WWE taking ECW and trying to make it work was like buying a pitbull, giving it a poodle haircut, and teaching it to play dead for an hour on SciFi.
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Post by The Possum on Apr 18, 2011 14:49:32 GMT -5
Other: Not calling the team of Big Show and The Miz "The Shiz."
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 18, 2011 15:29:07 GMT -5
If they had all the actual talent for WCW available for them, I'd agree. Yeah but if Vince had opened the purse strings to buy those guys out, he could've made WAY more money in the long run from it. I think pride may also have been an issue. Apart from which, if he HAD got those guys, I bet the booking would've been the exact same - i.e. the WWF guys destroying the WCW guys at almost every turn. If he could have. The entire deal was complex, and a lot of guys were out of his reach anyways. Maybe he could have bought him out, but the fact remains that the people he did have only consisted of a few late ME'ers and few of the people who made it a competition. And I agree, the booking likely would have been the same. It just would have been a lot bigger dropping the ball moment if they had everything at their disposal.
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Post by BHB on Apr 18, 2011 15:32:08 GMT -5
Paul Burchill without a doubt. The man had all the skills they need, whether in the ring or on the mic, and a gimmick that was both over with the crowd and genuinely up to date in terms of pop culture. They basically took a big pile of money and burned it. Or, perhaps more accurately, took a load of gold and buried it on a deserted island, then lost the map. Exactly. The invasion is the obvious answer but that was actually somewhat complex and hard to book. Pushing Paul Burchill was simple. He could work and was getting over so they job him out then take him off the roster? Imagine the arena's of kids wearing Pirate t-shirts, hats, eye patches etc, they could even do inflateable cutlasses. What kid doesn't love dressing up as a pirate? Not to mention that it was at the perfect time to capitalise on the POTC films. Just ridiculous, Paul deserves a lot better.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Apr 18, 2011 15:33:09 GMT -5
Voted Kennedy...
But Mordecai is a good thing to bring up.
Could have been the "third brother" role to the Kane/Taker feud. Hell, Darkness, and the Heavens.
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