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Post by CJ on May 9, 2011 22:53:23 GMT -5
Well it's pretty apparent, that Kane's best days were with his mask on. But not everything lasts forever. It was bound to happen, and the intrigue was at an all time high following his unmasking. Unfortunately, it wasn't as hot as it could've been. You would think that once Kane unmasked that he would go batshit crazy and nobody on the entire planet could stop his rage...
Anywho, what would you have done....how would you have unleashed the true monster within Kane
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 9, 2011 22:58:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't have.
Ever.
To this day, even considering Glenn's got a cool-looking face and great expressions, the character's never recovered from that misstep, IMO.
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Post by siredger on May 9, 2011 23:02:47 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with rnrk. Unmasking Kane took a lot of the character's mystique and his credibility took a big hit when they explained that his burns were "psychological".
Even without Paul Bearer, they could've found him a new manager if needed. I think Armando Alejandro Estrada could've done a good job in that role.
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Post by Jimmy on May 9, 2011 23:08:35 GMT -5
I'll third that he shouldn't have ever unmasked.
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Post by Starshine on May 9, 2011 23:09:43 GMT -5
I both fourth AND fifth the notion that he never should have lost the mask.
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Post by Citizen Zero on May 9, 2011 23:09:57 GMT -5
I don't know why people cling to this myth that Kane's de-badassing started when he took off his mask.
The character'd lost most of it's fangs long before that.
And honestly I like crazy, unstable Kane better than silent behemoth Kane.
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Post by Jimmy on May 9, 2011 23:13:53 GMT -5
I don't know why people cling to this myth that Kane's de-badassing started when he took off his mask. The character'd lost most of it's fangs long before that. And honestly I like crazy, unstable Kane better than silent behemoth Kane. I mean he was pretty much spinning his wheels in 02-03 but it was the stuff that happened after his unmasking that killed him as a monster in my eyes. The entire feud with Shane was ridiculous and I remember a RAW where Kane sat in a restaurant in normal clothes with Shane and I was just shaking my head and thinking "This is not Kane at all..." |
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Post by CJ on May 9, 2011 23:15:28 GMT -5
But if they were gonna do it... they might as well have made him unstoppable. Kane, without a mask... nobody in the WWE would have been safe.
It was a huge missed opportunity imo
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Post by MichaelMartini on May 9, 2011 23:16:42 GMT -5
I don't think he should've been unmasked either, and he never shoud've stopped using that voice box to talk. If Glen Jacobs wanted out of the character, then they could always get someone else to be Kane and give him a new character (or bring back Isaac Yankem  ). Or it should've been a one time deal. Have it in a backstage segment where they could've used quality make up. Get Rob Bottin or Greg Nicotero to do it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 23:22:30 GMT -5
He's just such a freaking weird character. He puts Undertaker, his own brother, in a coma and, a couple of months later, he's teaming with Big Show again as if nothing happened. It's like, "Oh, Kane almost killed a guy.... eh, he's Kane, that's what he does" and then we all move on  |
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Post by BigWill on May 9, 2011 23:25:13 GMT -5
I don't know why people cling to this myth that Kane's de-badassing started when he took off his mask. The character'd lost most of it's fangs long before that. And honestly I like crazy, unstable Kane better than silent behemoth Kane. I mean he was pretty much spinning his wheels in 02-03 but it was the stuff that happened after his unmasking that killed him as a monster in my eyes. The entire feud with Shane was ridiculous and I remember a RAW where Kane sat in a restaurant in normal clothes with Shane and I was just shaking my head and thinking "This is not Kane at all..." His feud with Shane was one of the best feuds I've ever watched. |
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Post by chazraps on May 9, 2011 23:37:31 GMT -5
HOW I WOULD HAVE DONE IT:
Pretty much exactly how it was, except it would have been on Pay-Per-View and then literally the RAW before the PPV, thrown in the Mask stipulation.
Am I alone in liking the psychological scars-angle? I think by not making Kane more of a cerebral psychopath is where they dropped the ball during Kane's path of destruction.
When that angle began to cool years down the road, I would have maybe had Batista and Orton "disfigure" his face and put him back in a new mask.
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Post by molson5 on May 10, 2011 1:21:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't have changed a thing - except I wouldn't attempted the "grotesque" look that they tried, and bailed on, after that initial unmasking. Kane was pretty awesome post-unmasking, and really, he's had a lot of great storylines since then. Masked Kane had run its course.
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Post by capnsteve on May 10, 2011 1:52:10 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't have him shave 3/4 of his head, I'll tell you that.
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Post by mattdillon55 on May 10, 2011 7:16:48 GMT -5
I don't know why people cling to this myth that Kane's de-badassing started when he took off his mask. The character'd lost most of it's fangs long before that. And honestly I like crazy, unstable Kane better than silent behemoth Kane. I mean he was pretty much spinning his wheels in 02-03 but it was the stuff that happened after his unmasking that killed him as a monster in my eyes. The entire feud with Shane was ridiculous and I remember a RAW where Kane sat in a restaurant in normal clothes with Shane and I was just shaking my head and thinking "This is not Kane at all..." You're so right about that. I expected the theme for All My Children to start playing after that segment. |
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 10, 2011 8:50:20 GMT -5
I mean he was pretty much spinning his wheels in 02-03 but it was the stuff that happened after his unmasking that killed him as a monster in my eyes. The entire feud with Shane was ridiculous and I remember a RAW where Kane sat in a restaurant in normal clothes with Shane and I was just shaking my head and thinking "This is not Kane at all..." His feud with Shane was one of the best feuds I've ever watched. i disagree. that feud with Shane did nothing but piss me off. and i dunno exactly what i would've done differently but i would not have given it to HHH in a throwaway match on Raw that's for sure. it was at a really annoying time in wrestling and the last thing HHH needed was yet another feather under his cap. we're lucky that Glenn Jacobs is an amazing performer and is human teflon. almost anyone else would've been done a long time ago the crap he's had to deal with. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 10, 2011 8:56:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't have changed a thing - except I wouldn't attempted the "grotesque" look that they tried, and bailed on, after that initial unmasking. Kane was pretty awesome post-unmasking, and really, he's had a lot of great storylines since then. Masked Kane had run its course. This. The only misstep in my opinion was asking us all to believe that his hair was suddenly a wig this whole time. Oh...that, and turning him from an imposing monster to Hannibal Lector. For awhile there, they made him sadistic but seemed to neglect his size and strength. |
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Post by Cactus Jack on May 10, 2011 11:54:32 GMT -5
Done it at WrestleMania against Undertaker, Streak vs. Mask, and had him go on an even bigger rampage after the fact.
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Post by sportatorium on May 10, 2011 12:09:41 GMT -5
The only changes I would make to what they did was bring Paul Bearer or UT into the story to convince him that he was actually disfigured and the ensuing feud should have been with RVD and not Shane. I will say that his initial heel turn was must see TV for the first few weeks until they had him burn Jim Ross who came back seemingly fine and then try to electrocute Shane's nuts.
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Post by cygnus12 on May 11, 2011 22:37:08 GMT -5
I would have had Lawler yell "AAAH! IT'S MY DENTIST!!" right after Kane turned around to look at the camera.
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