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Post by Burst on Apr 28, 2011 22:35:01 GMT -5
Ever notice that some finishers just seem more inherantly faceish or heelish? Top rope finishers tend to skew faceish with one particular recent exception, and really any moves that allow for mugging to the crowd before their execution tend to skew faceish as well. Sometimes it's more obvious than others, methinks, but it's also kind of interesting when you have two similar moves that seem to predominantly fall on different sides of the spectrum. For example,
Superkick (faceish) vs. Bicycle Kick (heelish) Maybe it's just years of HBK working as a face, rocking the superkick, but it could also be the tuning-up-the-band that accompanies a superkick even when it's not specifically Sweet Chin Music. Comparatively, the Bicycle Kick seems a lot more raw, rougher, less graceful than the superkick, and seems to work best when used by heels like Matt Morgan and Sheamus.
Shooting Star Press (faceish) vs. 450 Splash (heelish) I never thought I'd see a top rope finisher successfully used to get heat instead of the usual "Holy shit!" pop, but Justin Gabriel has somehow managed to turn the 450 into something ominous and devastating; even as Nexus and the Core have been made into jokes, the 450 still manages to get heat, at least whenever he can hit it.
Any other moves you all can think of that tend to seem more one way or the other, even independent of the wrestler's alignment?
I know if I booted up Fire Pro Wrestling it'd probably give me some suggestions; I seem to recall the fighting styles vs. movelists having something to do with this.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Apr 28, 2011 22:38:43 GMT -5
Piledrivers have always seemed a bit heelish to me.
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Apr 28, 2011 22:39:07 GMT -5
Sharpshooter (face) vs. figure-four (heel)
I think that one has more to do with the associations with Bret (one of the biggest faces in WWE history) and Flair (THE heel in pro wrestling, PERIOD) than anything else.
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 28, 2011 22:41:33 GMT -5
The Backstabber (besides the WWE name it was given) seems like a heelish move to me, IMO.
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Post by siredger on Apr 28, 2011 22:43:41 GMT -5
I think I'd put the Chokeslam in that category too. Since we've mostly seen big monster heels use it, I think it fits in as a heelish move.
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Post by casualobserver on Apr 28, 2011 22:46:33 GMT -5
A rollup seems faceish to me. Win the match without hurting your opponent.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Apr 28, 2011 22:48:29 GMT -5
Eat Defeat is heelish
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 28, 2011 22:50:09 GMT -5
Pumphandle Slam: Heel
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 28, 2011 22:50:32 GMT -5
I think I'd put the Chokeslam in that category too. Since we've mostly seen big monster heels use it, I think it fits in as a heelish move. I think it's neutral. Taker's usually a face, and Kane and Big Show turn so many times it makes our heads spin.
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Post by Cela on Apr 28, 2011 23:15:06 GMT -5
Chokeslam is a heelish move used by faces. I say this because it involves grabbing opponent by the throat, often staring down at them with murderous intent, and then lifting them by a weak part of their body and slamming down.
And I always will buy the rollup as a heelish way to win. Winning the easy backhanded way. See: Carlito, tight's rollup.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 23:43:05 GMT -5
The Crucifix Powerbomb is a very heelish move. It's like "look at my opponent before I try and break his neck."
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 29, 2011 0:25:52 GMT -5
Sharpshooter (face) vs. figure-four (heel) I think that one has more to do with the associations with Bret (one of the biggest faces in WWE history) and Flair (THE heel in pro wrestling, PERIOD) than anything else. I was just about to say the same thing, except more because of the perpetual babyface, Sting, in the case of the Sharpshooter. Also, I'd add that there aren't a lot of faces that seem to use the Camel Clutch. Also, the roll-up (especially with the tights) seems more like a heel move; dirty, underhanded and very much cheating. That of course, versus a rana pin, especially as a hurracanrana. Everything about the rana says lucha/little man; and as shown by Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and plenty others, lucha wrestlers just come off as fan favorites, especially against opponents bigger than they are.
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 29, 2011 0:35:28 GMT -5
Shooting someone in the face with a gun has always seemed sorta heelish to me.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Apr 29, 2011 0:49:27 GMT -5
Shooting someone in the face with a gun has always seemed sorta heelish to me. To be fair, Pillman was shooting at Steve Austin.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Apr 29, 2011 1:21:09 GMT -5
High flying moves regardless seem to radiant "face" to me. Roll-ups look more heelish to me.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 29, 2011 1:31:54 GMT -5
A lot of faces have used Spears. A quick, high impact move that pops the crowd. Sleeper holds are good for heels. Boring move that puts faces in peril.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 29, 2011 1:44:46 GMT -5
Wade Barrett's Wasteland just seems like quite the heelish finishing maneuver. The exclamation point to a brutal attack.
Cutter-like maneuvers (Orton's RKO/DDP's Diamond Cutter) go either way, but seem like a face-ish maneuver, given how both Orton and DDP have the gimmick of hitting their respective cutters in any way imaginable.
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Post by fortknox on Apr 29, 2011 2:50:48 GMT -5
Sharpshooter (face) vs. figure-four (heel) I think that one has more to do with the associations with Bret (one of the biggest faces in WWE history) and Flair (THE heel in pro wrestling, PERIOD) than anything else. Replace Bret with Sting and you have my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by Jeremy on Apr 29, 2011 3:01:32 GMT -5
Tornado DDT has always seemed face-ish to me.
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Post by Realtalk on Apr 29, 2011 3:43:03 GMT -5
Pedigree is heelish for sure.
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