EJS
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Post by EJS on Apr 27, 2011 21:47:45 GMT -5
Watch TV, Make up something based on things that happened on TV, Profit.
Possible it's true, but not like it matters. She lost so this is a non-issue.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 27, 2011 21:52:11 GMT -5
It's a good thing USA Network understands the concept of Reality TV and was attempting to rig the contest. There is nothing real about reality television. However, you may have a point in one aspect; the original Tough Enough wasn't treated as a reality show in the same vein as the Real World. However, as a result, the people who won (Maven, Cappotelli) pretty much did nothing until being released from their contracts, with the exception of a whole lot of people who didn't win or even make the actual show: Melina Perez, John Morrison, Josh Matthews, the Miz, Marty "the Boogeyman" Wright, and a whole lot of others. I think that's an odd way of thinking from USA Network. Regardless of how Rima performed in the show, most people still would have had preconceptions about her, her being Miss USA. Thus they would have felt the show was rigged from the beginning, most likely resulting in the ratings taking a hit going into season 2. But USA would have Miss USA winning their reality show, and WWE would have Miss USA signed to a contract to put on TV whenever they feel like it. And, oh no, people would think that a reality show would be rigged. That's like people thinking pro wrestling is pre-determined. Oh, no. Whatever shall we do? If it were rigged for Rima, what would WWE get out of it? There's nothing fiscally smart about building up a wrestling show around non-wrestlers so as to cater to casual fans. If I'm not mistaken, the WWE lost viewers with the whole celebrity guest host thing, and "Snookimania" turned off more actual wrestling fans, as in people who will actually buy PPV's and watch television programing, than turn on Jersey Shore fans, people not likely to know what WrestleMania is, let alone order it. Again, the fact that Rima was booted should end this conspiracy about her being the one they want to win it. Funny thing is, for all the flack she gets, it's funny how many people get none: Erik's clearly not physically prepared for this, the so-called eleven year veteran Michelle couldn't keep up from day one, and you could argue that Christina's way on the show was through her sister, the list goes on. And that isn't even touching the fact that from nearly day one, it's seemed like "the Luke Show," seemingly centered about how bad everyone else is and how good he is, something I personally don't buy. "But-but-but Rima's Miss USA!" So what? I don't watch or follow the Miss anything pageants, nor do I care for whoever wins or loses those things, and I doubt I'm the only one this apathetic to them. Hell, Michelle, the chick from America's Next Top Model and Miss Fairplay, is probably more relevant to pop culture than Rima is. Plus, as a lot of others and myself have said before, if they want to sign her, they'll sign her. Hell, she probably wouldn't even need to go to FCW to get a contract, let alone Tough Enough; they would have her sent to the main show yesterday, just for the press. Bottom line, I call NEWZ.
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randomranter
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Post by randomranter on Apr 27, 2011 22:07:41 GMT -5
There is nothing real about reality television. However, you may have a point in one aspect; the original Tough Enough wasn't treated as a reality show in the same vein as the Real World. However, as a result, the people who won (Maven, Cappotelli) pretty much did nothing until being released from their contracts, with the exception of a whole lot of people who didn't win or even make the actual show: Melina Perez, John Morrison, Josh Matthews, the Miz, Marty "the Boogeyman" Wright, and a whole lot of others. Maven actually didn't do all *that* bad, all things considered. People have had runs in the WWE much worse than his. A celebrity name on their roster. Vince drools all over anything that could draw anything even resembling mainstream exposure, and I guarantee that Miss USA winning tough enough would have made its way into more than a few mainstream magaizines. He got a crapton of publicity out of it. This year's wrestlemania was a weak card from top to bottom, and I'm willing to bet that the weak card had more to do with the low buyrates than Snooki's involvement. Keep in mind that Snooki's backflips also made mainstream media even after Wrestlemania, and a lot more people were impressed by that than any of us expected. All things considered, I'm sure vince isn't exactly upset over Snooki's involvement. As for the guest hosts, don't forget that a vast majority of them were D-List celebrities that nobody cared about. Many stopped being relevant 10 years ago, had no idea what they were doing out there, and no knowledge of the product at all. It shouldn't be any surprise that fans crapped all over them. Snooki, on the other hand, is still relevant, still popular, was an active participant, and actually looked like she knew what she was doing. There's no way to definitively know what they wanted, and it just as easily could have been a case of her being so far behind everybody else they couldn't justify keeping her around. The first few weeks did lean heavily towards them finding reasons to keep her around even when she should have been given the heave-ho. Not that it's saying much, but he was still above her. Granted, he's now at the bottom of the pile. And most people gave her the flak she deserved for it. It was painfully obvious that she barely had 11 minutes of training let alone 11 years, and this board rightfully crapped all over her. If I'm looking for new stars, the first place I'm going to look are the siblings/relatives of current ones, as they are more likely to have the genetics and personality needed to succeed in this business than your average joe. Obviously, some simply don't. But it's still the first place I'd look, so i can see why she got a slot. But for every person like you (and myself -- I couldn't care less about her being miss usa either), there's one who actually does follow that stuff. I work with two of them, and I was getting questioned about how miss usa was doing on "that rasslin show" until she got booted. As I understand it, USA Network picked the contestants. Maybe the game plan was (and still is) to put her on TE in an attempt to boost ratings, then sign her onto the main roster once the show is over. We could very well see her in an interviewer role on Raw. Watch TV, Make up something based on things that happened on TV, Profit. Possible it's true, but not like it matters. She lost so this is a non-issue. This. The article is likely made up newz, but in this case, it could be made up newz that happens to be at least partially correct. Even blind squirrels find nuts once in a while.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Apr 27, 2011 22:15:51 GMT -5
It's a good thing USA Network understands the concept of Reality TV and was attempting to rig the contest. Actually that is pretty much the point.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 27, 2011 22:17:27 GMT -5
Watch TV, Make up something based on things that happened on TV, Profit. Possible it's true, but not like it matters. She lost so this is a non-issue. Exactly The whole fact that she got eliminated makes all the times where people say "Oh, they're just making her look bad so they can play it up when she wins" completely wrong. Were there things she could have gone home for earlier? Sure, but there were things others could have gone home for too. That's what happens on reality shows, multiple people screw up and some one goes home for it. People harp on how long someone lasts during the season, but by the end of it it doesn't matter who went home when, only who is there at the end.
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Post by hossfan on Apr 27, 2011 22:19:33 GMT -5
USA wanted the pretty, plucky quasi-celebrity to win "Tough Enough" over a bunch of no names? I'm shocked! Shocked!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 27, 2011 22:30:35 GMT -5
Watch TV, Make up something based on things that happened on TV, Profit. Possible it's true, but not like it matters. She lost so this is a non-issue. Exactly The whole fact that she got eliminated makes all the times where people say "Oh, they're just making her look bad so they can play it up when she wins" completely wrong. Were there things she could have gone home for earlier? Sure, but there were things others could have gone home for too. That's what happens on reality shows, multiple people screw up and some one goes home for it. People harp on how long someone lasts during the season, but by the end of it it doesn't matter who went home when, only who is there at the end. Agreed. To be honest, I've never been a Rima fan, I'm just not really against her. If she does want to be a pro-wrestler, than she will work hard at it; maybe she'll get signed by the WWE anyways, maybe she trains up first so she's capable and presentable. That's not to say she may not be serious about it. I said a similar thing about Batista in another thread: if he's serious about MMA, I'm sure there are plenty of lesser known organizations he can start in to get his foot in the door; if not, then he won't and he'll either pursue acting or return to the WWE while he's still a fairly-more-than-warm (can't say he's hot) commodity. The key word in both cases is "if". As far as usable footage of her, I don't think it exists. Austin and Trish praised her for, above all, the fact that she wanted to do it; I think they knew that physically, she couldn't do it, but the fact that she was driven made up for it in their eyes until eventually, her physical flaws outweighed her mental strengths.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 27, 2011 23:01:17 GMT -5
Rima had moments. She had great conditioning, for one. She was just green as fresh grass, so the in ring stuff mostly looked awful. But people also tended to overanalyze everything, from the things that were awful to the things that weren't.
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Post by joebob27 on Apr 28, 2011 0:07:27 GMT -5
Considering it was a show to become a wrestler, no, she didn't have moments. If it was a show to be an on-air personality, she would have won without there even needing to be a show, because she looks better without makeup than everyone else in the room, combined, with makeup.
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Post by Lancers on Apr 28, 2011 0:12:37 GMT -5
Reality television is just as fake as any sitcom, drama or Olivia Munn project conceived. The difference is that you can pay the performers in reality television jack squat compared to giving Jim Belushi another platform where he can exercise his "acting" abilities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 0:30:33 GMT -5
For all of the arguments on what is and isn't real, I'm just wondering why they didn't stop doing beauty pageants like twenty years ago.
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Post by ozzyismetal on Apr 28, 2011 2:10:46 GMT -5
It's a good thing USA Network understands the concept of Reality TV and was attempting to rig the contest. Dude, having known many people that work in reality TV, they are pretty much all rigged.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Apr 28, 2011 2:22:31 GMT -5
Newz. They can edit the crap out of those video packages to justify keeping ANYONE around. I'm flabbergasted as to how many people think Tough Enough is "real." (See also Matt Cross shock and awe.) If those kids know what the results are going to be from week to week, i. e. it's all entirely staged, then they are fantastic actors, with abilities far surpassing those of anyone currently in the WWE. Just IMO, the contest can be "rigged," as long as the contestants don't know who will win, because it's about their reactions to what's going on, not about who wins.
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Post by bob on Apr 28, 2011 3:06:00 GMT -5
I was rooting for her, too. I think if she is truly serious about it, we will see her on WWE TV someday. I think so too, she's got the mentality for it but is unbelievably green she can over that come with proper training
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Post by jrcz on Apr 28, 2011 3:21:11 GMT -5
I just can't buy any news from a site called Wrestle NEWZ, but this does seem plausible. Subtle.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 28, 2011 3:36:48 GMT -5
However, as a result, the people who won (Maven, Cappotelli) pretty much did nothing until being released from their contracts, with the exception of a whole lot of people who didn't win or even make the actual show: Melina Perez, John Morrison, Josh Matthews, the Miz, Marty "the Boogeyman" Wright, and a whole lot of others. John Morrison won. As for Cappotelli was going to be called up on numerous occasions but extraneous circumstances kept getting in the way... like Holly breaking his arm and then later his brain cancer... so it's not really fair to say what he would have done. The problem with Maven was they had his gimmick be "The guy that won tough enough" even until well after that meant anything. You'll notice the only time they mentioned Morrison being on it was when he first got called up as Bischoff's lackey with the rotating name.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 28, 2011 4:46:17 GMT -5
The problem with Maven was they had his gimmick be "The guy that won tough enough" even until well after that meant anything. Also, Nowinski should have won Tough Enough. I think he had it won, till his interview with Vince McMahon when he said he didn't get along with the other contestants, because they're not his kind of people. That destroyed him, and allowed Maven to win.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 28, 2011 5:37:35 GMT -5
However, as a result, the people who won (Maven, Cappotelli) pretty much did nothing until being released from their contracts, with the exception of a whole lot of people who didn't win or even make the actual show: Melina Perez, John Morrison, Josh Matthews, the Miz, Marty "the Boogeyman" Wright, and a whole lot of others. John Morrison won. As for Cappotelli was going to be called up on numerous occasions but extraneous circumstances kept getting in the way... like Holly breaking his arm and then later his brain cancer... so it's not really fair to say what he would have done. The problem with Maven was they had his gimmick be "The guy that won tough enough" even until well after that meant anything. You'll notice the only time they mentioned Morrison being on it was when he first got called up as Bischoff's lackey with the rotating name. You're right for the most part. It'd be a lie to say that everyone who won Tough Enough didn't do much; truth be told, they probably would have done more with Maven had he been more over than he was. My main point, though, is that a majority of the people to win Tough Enough have, for whatever reason, been all but abandoned by the higher-ups after doing so: Morrison and, for a while anyway, Maven were pretty much the exceptions (Cappotelli, as you noted, couldn't help it). Daniel Puder, Nidia, Linda "Shaniqua" Miles, and Miss Jackie were the other four winners; all four either weren't memorable or were memorable for the wrong reasons. Also, compared to the runners-up and non-finalists (Melina, the Miz, Morgan, Kong, etc.) history hasn't been in favor of Tough Enough winners.
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Post by Snaptastic on Apr 28, 2011 5:52:53 GMT -5
I just can't buy any news from a site called Wrestle NEWZ, but this does seem plausible. Valid point. However they cite their sources. I think the website name is a dig at smark's screaming "NEWZ" at everything.
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Post by keezy on Apr 28, 2011 6:11:52 GMT -5
They shouldn't completely give up on her since she could be good if she puts her heart into it, have her do backstage interviews or be a valet while she learns how to work in the ring. She's less experienced than Kaitlyn and we've barely seen Kaitlyn on tv since she won NXT, imagine how unused Rima would be if she won Tough Enough.
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