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Post by Souper Dragon on Apr 23, 2011 8:07:14 GMT -5
When Hogan and his Hulkamaniacs were battling the forces of the Legion of Doom, for the future of Middle Earth
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 23, 2011 9:14:45 GMT -5
I was told in the very beginning it was fake. I always thought people in general suspected pro wrestling was fixed until the 1980s, but other sources said it was as far back as the 1920s. At least kayfabe was still alive until what, the late 90s?
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Post by isink on Apr 24, 2011 14:02:54 GMT -5
Its only a matter of time before UFC and MMA has a scandle. There was already critisim over Kimbo in Elite XC getting ref calls in his favor.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 24, 2011 14:18:29 GMT -5
If you look at the comments on WWE's Facebook page it seems like about 75% of the fans think it's legit. It's sad.
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Bubba Ho-Tep
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Post by kswolf on Apr 24, 2011 15:22:26 GMT -5
Since no one's mentioned him yet, Jack Pfefer was the first guy to really expose the business back in 1934 when he gave an interview to the New York Daily News. He had been blackballed by his fellow promoters and decided to take his revenge by "outing" the entire industry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_PfeferHe pretty much wrecked the business for a couple of decades, and only television's arrival in the fifties was able to turn it around.
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Post by isink on Apr 24, 2011 23:41:58 GMT -5
@kswofl - Thank you
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Post by molson5 on Apr 24, 2011 23:53:21 GMT -5
You gotta remember that pre-internet (and even pre-cable television), there was no real single body of knowledge that humanity had. If at MSG, Bruno Sammartino stopped a match with Ivan Koloff, did some kind of an Italian jig and announced over a house mic that wrestling was fake, the fans wouldn't know it in Boston the next night, or on the west coast probably ever.
I was a kid in the 80s, and I believe most college-educated and professional adults that had actually seen pro wrestling knew it was fake, but there was huge swaths of fans across the country that didn't. And before the boom of the 80s, I think a lot of people (like my mother), believed wrestling was real just because they never really actually watched it or heard about it. Maybe they just caught a glimpse of Verne Gagne grappling with someday in the 70s - at first glance, it would look pretty legitimate. And she wouldn't talk about pro wrestling with anyone, or watch it, she could go on just assuming it was some kind of sport. It was just a different time - information didn't travel very quickly. I'm sure there were brilliant college professors who didn't know wrestling was scripted - just because they had never seen it/talked about it, again, except maybe for a little of Verne Gagne, or maybe a nephew said something, or maybe there was even a match result in a local sports page. But today, that same college professor wouldn't have gotten through the 90s and 00s without catching some glimpse of obviously fake modern pro wrestling.
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Dennis Stamp
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Post by Dat Dude on Apr 25, 2011 3:29:29 GMT -5
The first time I watched an ultimate warrior match as a kid....seriously.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 25, 2011 10:47:02 GMT -5
If you look at the comments on WWE's Facebook page it seems like about 75% of the fans think it's legit. It's sad. No, they're well aware it's fixed. They just think about the show in terms of the storylines.
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Post by ButterFly Suplex on Apr 25, 2011 11:16:48 GMT -5
Personally as a child, it was never in my mind to think it was fake or real, I just enjoyed getting up early Saturday morning, watch some cartoons, then at 10 am on WNYW Fox 5, Vince McMahon would welcome me to Superstars of Wrestling along with Jesse Ventura. Later on the time was switched to noon. Sundays Wrestling Challenge would be on at the same time with Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan, I however would miss it due to church. My dad would attempt to recorded it for me but he would wind up falling asleep...ahhh youth. The only time I heard it was fake was during the steroid trials, the news showed a clip of Bob Backlund vs Larry Zybisco. Larry would have a resthold on Backlund, whisper something to him, and backlund would pinch him to say that he understands. Amazing the stuff parents let us watch in the 80's.
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