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Post by ptp2011 on Apr 14, 2011 9:35:38 GMT -5
It seems that his WWE debut hasn't gone well. His high-flying style doesn't mesh well with WWE style. Rey Mysterio had the benefit of being in WCW and WWE's Cruiserweight Division to learn the WWE style. Sin Cara doesn't have those luxuries. He has to be WWE style almost now or never.
I'm sure he would make a FANTASTIC X-Division wrestler in TNA instead. His style would really shine there, he'd probably be the best X-Division wrestler of all time, forever more.
I watched his match with Primo and it didn't seem too bad myself, until I watched it again, then I realized things were somewhat clumsy and I understand the criticism he is getting from the WWE and this forum.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 14, 2011 9:38:11 GMT -5
No. Certainly not this quickly.
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Post by jrcz on Apr 14, 2011 9:38:33 GMT -5
WWWYKI. ehm
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 14, 2011 9:38:20 GMT -5
Sin Cara has had exactly ONE MATCH on TV. This thread is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by ptp2011 on Apr 14, 2011 9:40:47 GMT -5
Sin Cara has had exactly ONE MATCH on TV. This thread is beyond ridiculous. Don't forget about Kizarny. One battle royal, one match, gone. Braden Walker only got 2 matches. WWE has just about ZERO patience nowadays.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Apr 14, 2011 9:42:02 GMT -5
No. It isn't his fault. They rushed to put him on TV but WWE doesn't understand that the lucha libre style that is currently used in Mexico sucks if it is done in their slow WWE style.
Primo and Sin Cara could have torn the house down if they had just let them go out there and do whatever they wanted. I could tell they were not wrestling the way they wanted to and I bet anything they were told to slow down by one of the older retired wrestling agents in the back.
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Post by Sektor on Apr 14, 2011 9:42:59 GMT -5
He's had one match and two run-ins and he's already over as all get out. His merch is flying off the shelves. If this is a bad debut then I hope mine is as godawful as his has been.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Apr 14, 2011 9:43:39 GMT -5
There is no X Division, so he'd get even less TV time.
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Post by randomranter on Apr 14, 2011 9:45:39 GMT -5
A lot of people on this board are playing down the botches. But the do stand out. Blame Vince/Creative for coming up with the trampoline entrance, or Primo for slipping from the turnbuckle. But most people aren't going to think that. Most people I've talked to are saying Sin Cara botched his entrance twice. Sin Cara botched the C4. In this business, perception is reality, and as far as some people are concerned, Sin Cara's debut isn't going so well.
That said, his merchandise does seem to be moving (assuming the kids with the masks weren't plants). That gives me the belief that the fans want to get behind him. They really do.
But he's made 3 botches in two appearances, and his match with primo wasn't nearly as dazzling as he's been hyped up to be. His lack of knowledge of English is going to severely hinder his promo skills, which are a big part of getting over in the WWE. His lucha style just doesn't mesh well with the WWE style, and I don't think there are really all that many people that could work well or keep up with him. Time will tell on that one.
I just don't think he's going to end up the big deal that everybody thought he was going to. I'm not going to blame Sin Cara, WWE, Creative, Primo, or anyone else; on paper, he looked amazing and if I were in HHH's position, I'd sign him with high expectations myself. But sometimes, no matter how good something looks on paper, things just don't work out. There may not even be any concrete reasons why things don't work out other than they "just don't".
I think Sin Cara is going to be one of those cases. He may get some crowd reactions for a while because he's fresh/new and they haven't seen him before, but if botches keep happening and he keeps having lackluster matches like we saw on Monday, I don't expect the crowd to stay behind him for very long.
That all being said, it's really too early to tell what will happen. Come back in 2 months.
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Post by Germansuplex on Apr 14, 2011 9:50:50 GMT -5
He's had one match and two run-ins and he's already over as all get out. His merch is flying off the shelves. If this is a bad debut then I hope mine is as godawful as his has been. This.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 9:51:46 GMT -5
Sin Cara has had exactly ONE MATCH on TV. This thread is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by eJm on Apr 14, 2011 9:54:33 GMT -5
HE'S.
HAD.
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MATCH!
WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS?!
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Apr 14, 2011 9:58:06 GMT -5
I'm starting to feel really bad for the guy. No wonder the poor fellow's so nervous.
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Post by HungryJack215 on Apr 14, 2011 9:58:58 GMT -5
It would be a "Sin" if he did! And Ryder makes Cena tap with a firm handshake not to mention a headlock!
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Post by odanobunaga on Apr 14, 2011 10:10:43 GMT -5
No.
If anything, he should return to Mexico and keep having great matches.
And by the way: He didn't botch the C4, Primo botched his position on the top turbunckle before they even done the move, but when they did it came out perfectly.
In ring, he hasn't made a major botch yet. And both of his entrance botches were minor. I really feel this is a newz story. This way too early to judge him.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 14, 2011 10:17:33 GMT -5
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Post by Citizen Zero on Apr 14, 2011 10:19:32 GMT -5
I hope Sin Cara wins all the belts.
At once.
And then he can come down the ring draped in all his belts, like Ultimo Dragon.
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Post by bob on Apr 14, 2011 10:19:42 GMT -5
woo woo woo...the headlock of doom, you know it bro
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Post by Square on Apr 14, 2011 10:20:50 GMT -5
He's an icon in Mexico and over with the crowds, he is good. All they need to do is redesign his entrance to make it easier not to hurt himself and get a finisher that he can do on every superstar.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Apr 14, 2011 10:22:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this like the only board where people are worried about Sin Cara. Almost everyone else pretty much like 'HOLY CRAP DID YOU SEE THAT!?' and barely even noticed the so-called botches.
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