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Post by coleminer on Apr 10, 2011 15:38:34 GMT -5
His iron man match with Cena was one of the best matches of the decade.
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Post by jadison on Apr 10, 2011 15:40:34 GMT -5
I really loved the match with Punk at Wrestlemania. It wasn't an all-time great, but it really wasn't designed to be. Him and Punk executed everything extremely well and put on a strong, story-driven match that got both guys over. That's the kind of performance you'll get out of Orton, not overtly spectacular but impressive nonetheless.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 10, 2011 15:41:00 GMT -5
Pretty much 2007 was when he started sucking badly I think. His 2004 stuff was really good though. 2009 outside of a couple of gimmick matches with Cena, he was terrible. I still say he's a worse wrestler than Cena, yet he never gets the YOU CAN'T WRESTLE chants -_-
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Apr 10, 2011 15:48:36 GMT -5
In terms of story telling, I think the Iron Man match against Cena was freaking amazing. That was when the viper character REALLY worked, and when he tries to literally BLOW CENA UP it's pretty sensational.
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 10, 2011 15:49:03 GMT -5
It's interesting...people on the 'net say he's below average in the ring,but other wrestlers often say he's the best. Way to duck the question. I'm not ducking the question, I was just pointing out that the people that actually work with him, and the people that actually wrestle themselves think he's great. I'll take Cena, HBK's and Bret Hart's opinion on a worker over that of people on a forum any time. People can think whatever they want obviously, but my point was I just find it interesting there is this strange divide in opinion when it comes to Orton. I think the Iron Man match with Cena is great, and his Mania match with Taker too.
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Post by woodface on Apr 10, 2011 15:53:59 GMT -5
****+ Randy Orton matches
vs. Mick Foley [Backlash 2004] vs. Chris Benoit [SummerSlam 2004] vs. Chris Benoit [Raw 8/16/2004] vs. Rey Mysterio [Smackdown 4/7/2006] MITB #3 [WrestleMania 23] vs. Cena vs. Edge vs. HBK [Backlash 2007] vs. Edge [Raw 4/30/2007] vs. Triple H LMS [No Mercy 2007] vs. Shawn Michaels [Survivor Series 2007] vs. John Cena [Breaking Point 2009] vs. Edge vs. Jericho [Raw 7/19/2010]
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Post by Citizen Zero on Apr 10, 2011 15:55:30 GMT -5
Way to duck the question. I'm not ducking the question, I was just pointing out that the people that actually work with him, and the people that actually wrestle themselves think he's great. I'll take Cena, HBK's and Bret Hart's opinion on a worker over that of people on a forum any time. People can think whatever they want obviously, but my point was I just find it interesting there is this strange divide in opinion when it comes to Orton. I think the Iron Man match with Cena is great, and his Mania match with Taker too. Well no shit, of course they're gonna put over one of their biggest draws.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 10, 2011 15:57:35 GMT -5
Way to duck the question. I'm not ducking the question, I was just pointing out that the people that actually work with him, and the people that actually wrestle themselves think he's great. I'll take Cena, HBK's and Bret Hart's opinion on a worker over that of people on a forum any time. People can think whatever they want obviously, but my point was I just find it interesting there is this strange divide in opinion when it comes to Orton. I think the Iron Man match with Cena is great, and his Mania match with Taker too. Actually I think even a lot of Orton haters can admit he's a good worker; his selling especially is noted as being the best in the company. Still, he just hasn't racked up many great matches in his career like most main eventers have.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 10, 2011 15:58:57 GMT -5
I enjoy his matches
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2011 16:22:07 GMT -5
vs Foley at Backlash of 04 maybe his Summer Slam match vs Benoit, I haven't seen that since it took place
that's all I can think of
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Post by sybaku on Apr 10, 2011 16:29:48 GMT -5
Of all the matches Orton had against the Undertaker in that lengthy feud, I think only their Wrestlemania match is particularly worthy of note. The rest, even with all the gimmickry they could throw at them, were not especially good - **1/2 at best really, even the Hell in the Cell. He has been in title matches at Wrestlemania, too. A terrible match with Triple H topping off Wrestlemania 25 wasn't helped by very bad booking, but you have to think these two exercised a lot of control over how this one was booked. A very forgettable triple threat at some previous WM with Cena and HHH and a very short match at WM22 which could have been much better had it been given more time, but that having more to do with the talents of Kurt Angle and to a lesser extent Rey Mysterio. Orton never really pulls anything out of the bag to surprise you or interest you. He doesn't learn any new holds - did you see Punk use the Indian deathlock at Wrestlemnaia? Can you imagine Orton pulling something like that off? He doesn't even do that top rope crossbody any more. Lots of striking, lots of headlocks, lots of stomping. What happened to that neckbreaker he used to do from the powerbomb set-up? He's also lost a lot of mass since his days as IC champ which affects his credibility somewhat. If you're no good on the mic and not much good in the ring, you have to at least have a body - Orton looks 'fine' but he literally has nothing going for him. Even his slow plod to the ring is BORING and drains the crowd of its energy. There's no urgency to anything he does and yeah, you can say 'well that's his gimmick' but I would contend that this gimmick simply isn't very good. I would contend he is one of the most popular superstars on the Raw roster, even if us internet fans seem to think he is "boring" I haven't seen any super memorable matches from him however to say he is boring and drains the crowd of energy is a flat lie, the crowd goes nuts for him, his facial expressions are very good, and his gimmick despite being beyond dumb is somehow working for him so he must be doing something right... ohh and he is like 6'5" and shredded if thats not "credible" looking 70 percent of the roster should start looking for new jobs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 16:30:39 GMT -5
He's had a few with Undertaker. At least, from what I remember, I liked them a lot.
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Post by Hakumental on Apr 10, 2011 16:40:41 GMT -5
Orton had a pretty good heel-vs-heel match with Edge on a RAW opener a few years back - good enough that I regret not having it recorded anywhere.
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Post by baresolid on Apr 10, 2011 16:42:05 GMT -5
Of all the matches Orton had against the Undertaker in that lengthy feud, I think only their Wrestlemania match is particularly worthy of note. The rest, even with all the gimmickry they could throw at them, were not especially good - **1/2 at best really, even the Hell in the Cell. He has been in title matches at Wrestlemania, too. A terrible match with Triple H topping off Wrestlemania 25 wasn't helped by very bad booking, but you have to think these two exercised a lot of control over how this one was booked. A very forgettable triple threat at some previous WM with Cena and HHH and a very short match at WM22 which could have been much better had it been given more time, but that having more to do with the talents of Kurt Angle and to a lesser extent Rey Mysterio. Orton never really pulls anything out of the bag to surprise you or interest you. He doesn't learn any new holds - did you see Punk use the Indian deathlock at Wrestlemnaia? Can you imagine Orton pulling something like that off? He doesn't even do that top rope crossbody any more. Lots of striking, lots of headlocks, lots of stomping. What happened to that neckbreaker he used to do from the powerbomb set-up? He's also lost a lot of mass since his days as IC champ which affects his credibility somewhat. If you're no good on the mic and not much good in the ring, you have to at least have a body - Orton looks 'fine' but he literally has nothing going for him. Even his slow plod to the ring is BORING and drains the crowd of its energy. There's no urgency to anything he does and yeah, you can say 'well that's his gimmick' but I would contend that this gimmick simply isn't very good. I would contend he is one of the most popular superstars on the Raw roster, even if us internet fans seem to think he is "boring" I haven't seen any super memorable matches from him however to say he is boring and drains the crowd of energy is a flat lie, the crowd goes nuts for him, his facial expressions are very good, and his gimmick despite being beyond dumb is somehow working for him so he must be doing something right... ohh and he is like 6'5" and shredded if thats not "credible" looking 70 percent of the roster should start looking for new jobs 70 per cent of the roster is capable of working a decent match. I acknowledge that Orton is very popular, but wonder why that is. He has a boring gimmick and boring matches. I don't know what it is about him that the 'yoof' likes exactly? I do wonder. If this is what counts as taste amongst the young WWE fanbase, I have no idea what to expect next. People say Cena is a bad wrestler and his execution is terrible, but at least he 'tries' to do a fisherman suplex, even if it's one that would make Mr Perfect turn in his grave... when's the last time you saw Orton do a standing vertical suplex? His match with CM Punk at Wrestlemania 27 was good, but nothing we'll be talking about a year from now. People have been saying Orton is 'boring' since about 2005, when he had that terrible title match at the Royal Rumble (after his failed face push and had to be buried by HHH to restore some cred to the world title). I wouldn't be so harsh - I think Orton has been boring beyond belief only since 2007.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Apr 10, 2011 17:00:54 GMT -5
For me, most of Orton's matches really chalk up in the "Pretty Good" category. He's like post-2003 Triple H. Any match he's in will be solid, bu not a show-stealer.
That said, his match was Foley was awesome. Makes me miss the Legend Killer.
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Post by funakifan88 on Apr 10, 2011 17:53:21 GMT -5
Batista is a similar case. Name one classic match he's had...
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Apr 10, 2011 18:00:36 GMT -5
No one talks about it, so I will. The most impressive I saw Orton was at Summerslam 2003 in the Chamber. After he got out of the pod, he quickly asserted himself as a force to be reckoned with. He did some great spots with Jericho/Michaels, and bumped like a little boy for Goldberg and Kevin Nash. Say what will you about the politics concerning the end, but Randy was AWESOME in that encounter.
I also thought he was really good at Survivor Series 2007 against HBK, and against Mick Foley at Backlash 2004.
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Post by Julia Thorn Aradi on Apr 10, 2011 18:06:06 GMT -5
Randy Orton vs Mick Foley (which made me respect Orton for taking a brutal beating at the hands of Mick Foley)
Randy Orton vs Chris Benoit-Summerslam 2004 Randy Orton vs Undertaker-Wrestlemania XXI Randy Orton vs Kurt Angle-ECW One Night Stand 2006 Randy Orton vs Edge on a episode of RAW in April of '07 Randy Orton vs Edge vs John Cena vs Shawn Michaels-Backlash 2007 Randy Orton vs John Cena-Summerslam 2007 Randy Orton vs Shawn Michaels-Cyber Sunday 2007 Randy Orton vs Triple H-Extreme Rules 2008 Randy Orton vs John Cena-Bragging Rights 2009 Randy Orton vs CM Punk-Wrestlemania XXVII
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Post by baresolid on Apr 10, 2011 18:12:14 GMT -5
Batista is a similar case. Name one classic match he's had... vs Triple H, Hell in the Cell, Vengeance 2005 I don't think there's been a properly brutal Cell match since.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 10, 2011 18:14:46 GMT -5
Batista is a similar case. Name one classic match he's had... VS HHH - Vengence 2005 VS Undertaker - Wrestlemania 23 VS Edge - Vengence 2007 VS John Cena - Summerslam 2008
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