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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 3, 2011 22:55:23 GMT -5
What hard work? Whats to say he worked any harder than anybody else? If I even have to explain that to you, you're not worth talking to. So basically, you have no explanation. |
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Post by Raja Lion on Apr 3, 2011 22:56:05 GMT -5
I think its an apt comparison.
Jarrett is better in the ring though.
Not to take anything away from Miz. He's light years to where he was, but I do not buy him as a top guy. A chickenshit heel? Absolutely. He's missing something at the moment.
Him being booked on Wrestlemania doesn't mean anything. They coulda booked Brodus Clay into a King Kong Bundy type and fed him to Cena.
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Post by mdvega on Apr 3, 2011 22:56:14 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett is a better worker than the miz and worked just as hard to get to that point. The difference is that Jarrett was not given the opportunity to break through, Oh and his father is a personal friend of Vince McMahon, and when that didn't work out, started his own new wrestling company and gave his son top billing all the time. But except for that, he never got any opportunities... |
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Post by Mac on Apr 3, 2011 22:56:29 GMT -5
What hard work? Whats to say he worked any harder than anybody else? If I even have to explain that to you, you're not worth talking to. Sorry, you didnt explain anything, and thanks for the rude feedback. Who has Miz worked harder than to make him deserve his spot more than anyone else? I mean my thought is if you are going to make a statement such as the one you made you shouldnt have to resort to insulting someone who questions it you should have something to back up your point. But youre right, if you get all rude based on someone asking a simple question we probably sould just drop it. |
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 3, 2011 22:56:44 GMT -5
No because he aint great. You're right, he's not great. {Spoiler} He's Awesome |
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Post by sam_III on Apr 3, 2011 22:56:55 GMT -5
But was that because they thought that Miz truly is in the upper echelon with Autin, Rock, Cena, Hogan, HHH, HBK in that he can headline the biggest show of the year, or was it becasue he's NOT John Cena? Because he's improved and is one of the best young guys they have. He's like Edge back in 04. Im not saying that he isnt good, and doesnt have potential. But the Jarrett comparison is very apt. If Edge were in the main event at Wrestlemania 20, then id say he exact same thing. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 3, 2011 22:57:55 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett is a better worker than the miz and worked just as hard to get to that point. The difference is that Jarrett was not given the opportunity to break through, Oh and his father is a personal friend of Vince McMahon, and when that didn't work out, started his own new wrestling company and gave his son top billing all the time. But except for that, he never got any opportunities... Id agree, Jeff didnt have "it", he was great in the mid cards around the IC level. I think a lot of the hatred was he got booked as Flair v 2.0 in a company where he had all the say. |
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Apr 3, 2011 22:59:17 GMT -5
No, because Miz won't get 6+ title reigns in a span of less than one year. Also, people care about Miz unlike Jarrett in WCW and TNA.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 3, 2011 23:02:42 GMT -5
Miz has busted his ass for absolutely everything he's achieved. He went from being a joke in the wrestling world, to the WWE Champion, to main event of WrestleMania. Whether you like The Miz or not, you cannot at all say he didn't earn his spot. What you think of his skills aside, he deserves everything he's achieved. 5 years ago he was getting lapdances from Big Dick Johnson, tonight he main evented Mania. Hard work kids. It pays off. That is bs. Miz was pegged by the office for a long time. EVERYONE on that roster works hard. There are people who work harder than the Miz, as I never recalled him being a workhorse in the ring. The fact that John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler bust their asses in the ring every night, despite the crap they are handed time and time again, could be put in the Miz's place and get the same results. The difference would be that they can actually carry a match. The Miz is an office picked champion, who's push has been manufactured, not picked by the fans. He's been given more than ample mic time than anyone else, he's worked with guys who made him look better on his way up, and now he's getting the glory for being a hard worker. His mic skills can't hide the fact that he's subpar in the ring, and if you're gonna talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk, which is why his matches are not memorable. |
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Post by sarun on Apr 3, 2011 23:05:11 GMT -5
Miz seems to be more capable of having media presence to me than Jarrett. Probably going out of his way to get any single outside appearance as he can.
Still, he has a long career ahead of him.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Apr 3, 2011 23:07:02 GMT -5
I think the comparisoin was apt. But for Jeff Jarrett, the problem was two-fold. On one hand, he was better than anyone said he was. ON the other the other hand, he's worse than what he thinks. Combine the two, and you get huge swing from being a no one to a main eventer.
He should have been treated better and pushed harder, but certainly not to what he thinks where he should be.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Apr 3, 2011 23:11:04 GMT -5
No, because Miz won't get 6+ title reigns in a span of less than one year. Also, people care about Miz unlike Jarrett in WCW and TNA. I care about Jeff Jarrett in TNA thank you very much. Miz has busted his ass for absolutely everything he's achieved. He went from being a joke in the wrestling world, to the WWE Champion, to main event of WrestleMania. Whether you like The Miz or not, you cannot at all say he didn't earn his spot. What you think of his skills aside, he deserves everything he's achieved. 5 years ago he was getting lapdances from Big Dick Johnson, tonight he main evented Mania. Hard work kids. It pays off. That is bs. Miz was pegged by the office for a long time. EVERYONE on that roster works hard. There are people who work harder than the Miz, as I never recalled him being a workhorse in the ring. The fact that John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler bust their asses in the ring every night, despite the crap they are handed time and time again, could be put in the Miz's place and get the same results. The difference would be that they can actually carry a match. The Miz is an office picked champion, who's push has been manufactured, not picked by the fans. He's been given more than ample mic time than anyone else, he's worked with guys who made him look better on his way up, and now he's getting the glory for being a hard worker. His mic skills can't hide the fact that he's subpar in the ring, and if you're gonna talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk, which is why his matches are not memorable. ^^ AMEN to that. I cant think of a single time where i've gone man that was a damn good match the jizz just had. Nothing this scrub does is believable or makes me think of him as a top guy at all. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 3, 2011 23:11:36 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett is a better worker than the miz and worked just as hard to get to that point. The difference is that Jarrett was not given the opportunity to break through, Oh and his father is a personal friend of Vince McMahon, and when that didn't work out, started his own new wrestling company and gave his son top billing all the time. But except for that, he never got any opportunities... Oh, so Jeff wouldn't have been good enough to get a call to the WWF without his dad? You forget that Jerry Lawler was working there and knew how good Jarrett was. I don;t think his daddy even needed to put in a call. Do you even remember the heat he got as a midcard champ in the WWF? And getting top billing in TNA over the Flying Elvises, or a no name AJ Styles? Yea, Jeff Jarrett, a guy who held numerous titles in companies that weren't owned by his family including being the WCW champion, wasn't a good pick to start a company with as a top heel... But this is another argument for another thread. |
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Post by Disaster Report on Apr 4, 2011 0:09:33 GMT -5
I'm honestly torn here. Let's break this down:
- One came from Music City, the other came from Music Television.
- Both are former holders of multiple titles.
- Both had/have a total douchebag throwaway assistant in tow.
- Both went from having fairly ridiculous entrance attire to having traditional garb.
I really wanted to give the nod to Jarrett simply for that time he dressed up as Doink and hit Dink with pies and seltzer water, but then I remembered that Miz shot Hornswoggle in the cookies with the t-shirt cannon. I'm totally gonna call this one right down the middle for now.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Apr 4, 2011 0:13:20 GMT -5
No, because Miz won't get 6+ title reigns in a span of less than one year. Also, people care about Miz unlike Jarrett in WCW and TNA. I care about Jeff Jarrett in TNA thank you very much. That is bs. Miz was pegged by the office for a long time. EVERYONE on that roster works hard. There are people who work harder than the Miz, as I never recalled him being a workhorse in the ring. The fact that John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler bust their asses in the ring every night, despite the crap they are handed time and time again, could be put in the Miz's place and get the same results. The difference would be that they can actually carry a match. The Miz is an office picked champion, who's push has been manufactured, not picked by the fans. He's been given more than ample mic time than anyone else, he's worked with guys who made him look better on his way up, and now he's getting the glory for being a hard worker. His mic skills can't hide the fact that he's subpar in the ring, and if you're gonna talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk, which is why his matches are not memorable. ^^ AMEN to that. I cant think of a single time where i've gone man that was a damn good match the jizz just had. Nothing this scrub does is believable or makes me think of him as a top guy at all.[/quote] Most people didn't care about Jarret when he was TNA champion. He's only tolerable when he's cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, and pretending to be an MMA fighter. Also, if Miz can't get credit for being a hard worker, then why does that not apply when it's John Cena? That's the usual defense for him online. |
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Post by crazydom on Apr 4, 2011 0:24:19 GMT -5
I think both Miz and Jarrett are championship material but neither are worthy of long reigns like Miz has now. Jarrett gets so much hate but he was insanely over in the Attitude Era and I could have easily bought him becoming a transitional champ for a small amount of time.
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Post by Jam on Apr 4, 2011 0:35:40 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett's a much better wrestler with far more depth to his character.
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Post by nate5054 on Apr 4, 2011 0:40:03 GMT -5
Miz has busted his ass for absolutely everything he's achieved. He went from being a joke in the wrestling world, to the WWE Champion, to main event of WrestleMania. Whether you like The Miz or not, you cannot at all say he didn't earn his spot. What you think of his skills aside, he deserves everything he's achieved. 5 years ago he was getting lapdances from Big Dick Johnson, tonight he main evented Mania. Hard work kids. It pays off. That is bs. Miz was pegged by the office for a long time. EVERYONE on that roster works hard. There are people who work harder than the Miz, as I never recalled him being a workhorse in the ring. The fact that John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler bust their asses in the ring every night, despite the crap they are handed time and time again, could be put in the Miz's place and get the same results. The difference would be that they can actually carry a match. The Miz is an office picked champion, who's push has been manufactured, not picked by the fans. He's been given more than ample mic time than anyone else, he's worked with guys who made him look better on his way up, and now he's getting the glory for being a hard worker. His mic skills can't hide the fact that he's subpar in the ring, and if you're gonna talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk, which is why his matches are not memorable. Charisma is far, far, far, far more important than workrate in the WWE. Miz has it, Morrison and Ziggler don't (at least comparatively). |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 4, 2011 0:41:13 GMT -5
Miz sucks. His mic work is severly overated, he's merely solid in the ring and he's pretty small. The only reason he is where is, is because he had an ounce of outside celebrity before WWE.
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