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Post by bobversion1 on Jun 7, 2011 9:12:28 GMT -5
Simply put, what was the starting point of the Attitude Era?
Austin/Bret at Wrestlemania 13?
Austin stunning Vince for the first time?
When Raw switched to the long ramp/big screen?
Bret getting Screwed?
DX Forming?
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 7, 2011 9:14:28 GMT -5
I think it was Austin/Bret at WM13.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 7, 2011 9:16:34 GMT -5
The changes may not have come right away, but imo the starting point was Austin's speech after winning King of the Ring.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 7, 2011 9:19:03 GMT -5
I remember Vince doing a pre taped segment on Raw basically saying that the fans were tired of having their intelligence insulted and the then WWF was going to shake things up. That was the official declaration to me.
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Post by DavidArquette on Jun 7, 2011 9:24:35 GMT -5
I think the Attitude Era, as far as what people always talk about started the night after Wrestlemania XIV. When most people on here talk about 'Attitude' they're talking about Austin vs McMahon, the Ministry, The Rock, Austin and Mankind winning the Title DX vs NOD, sex and obscenities. All of this either started or went full on in early '98. From late '96 to the end of '97 the WWF was slowly changing it's image and heading in that direction. You'd have Sable in a skimpy bikini, Austin stunning McMahon and DX showing their asses but everything went in to overdrive when Austin won the belt.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jun 7, 2011 10:09:29 GMT -5
I generally consider any point where Goldust exists to be part of the Attitude Era.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jun 7, 2011 10:27:02 GMT -5
I remember Vince doing a pre taped segment on Raw basically saying that the fans were tired of having their intelligence insulted and the then WWF was going to shake things up. That was the official declaration to me. Yeah, Vince called it "the cure for the common show". December 15th 1997. The first show to use the scratch logo. |
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Post by skulldouggory on Jun 7, 2011 10:45:34 GMT -5
Its always been Montreal for me. Then it ended at WM 17
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Post by I *still* ✡ Johnny on Jun 7, 2011 11:28:13 GMT -5
I remember Vince doing a pre taped segment on Raw basically saying that the fans were tired of having their intelligence insulted and the then WWF was going to shake things up. That was the official declaration to me. Yeah, Vince called it "the cure for the common show". December 15th 1997. The first show to use the scratch logo. I thought the scratch logo was first used on the Christmas show in 97. I consider from the introduction of the logo (on the Attitude vignettes) to the change to WWE Attitude. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 7, 2011 12:38:55 GMT -5
The Austin vs Bret feud
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 13:00:48 GMT -5
I'm inclined to say it started for real when Austin beat Michaels, and ended at Mania 18 when most of the show was WWF vs. WCW.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jun 7, 2011 13:02:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Vince called it "the cure for the common show". December 15th 1997. The first show to use the scratch logo. I thought the scratch logo was first used on the Christmas show in 97. I consider from the introduction of the logo (on the Attitude vignettes) to the change to WWE Attitude. Search "Vince mcmahon introduces the Attitude Era" on youtube. |
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Jun 7, 2011 20:12:35 GMT -5
It started just after WM XIII and ended with WM X8.
You can see huge changes asthetically in regards to XIII - XIV and X8 to XIX.
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Post by jadison on Jun 7, 2011 21:03:20 GMT -5
Austin/Bret, Survivor Series 96.
The beginning of that feud set everything in motion.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jun 7, 2011 21:12:19 GMT -5
It was when the intro changed to the firey warehouse with the initial usage of "The Beautiful People", then a reworked "Thorn in Your Eye" cue. THAT was the official declaration.
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Post by joebob27 on Jun 7, 2011 21:58:53 GMT -5
The double turn that ended up with the anti-hero as a face and the franchise babyface as an insane cursing heel would be the starting point. Maybe not officially, but it was born there.
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Post by Mac on Jun 7, 2011 22:04:51 GMT -5
The double turn that ended up with the anti-hero as a face and the franchise babyface as an insane cursing heel would be the starting point. Maybe not officially, but it was born there. I agree, and for the exact same reason. This match helped blur the line between good and bad, heroes and anti heroes. Bret SHOULD have beaten the crap out of Austin for all he's done and the fans SHOULD have loved every second of it. The heel SHOULD have tapped to the conquering hero. Everything changed with that match |
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Post by kyromax on Jun 7, 2011 22:05:49 GMT -5
The Monday after Bret left. Bret (and the entire Hart Foundation) were really the last of the New Generation era of wrestlers.
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Post by joebob27 on Jun 7, 2011 22:26:06 GMT -5
The double turn that ended up with the anti-hero as a face and the franchise babyface as an insane cursing heel would be the starting point. Maybe not officially, but it was born there. I agree, and for the exact same reason. This match helped blur the line between good and bad, heroes and anti heroes. Bret SHOULD have beaten the crap out of Austin for all he's done and the fans SHOULD have loved every second of it. The heel SHOULD have tapped to the conquering hero. Everything changed with that match Yep, you went into the match with a white meat babyface and probably the biggest dick heel that's ever been in the company (I dunno how many people remember Austin before the turn), and they made the switch. And it worked. That's a massive change in direction. The rest of the stuff took time to work itself out, but still. It starts there. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 7, 2011 23:08:31 GMT -5
While the shift in tone was gradual and took over a year, I'd date the start of the Attitude Era to right after Survivor Series '97, both since that's when the "WWF Attitude" ads started running and because that PPV was the last hurrah of the feud that'd been running off and on for the previous five years between the New Generation's two top stars, Bret and Shawn.
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