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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 27, 2011 3:26:37 GMT -5
This isn't meant in a "Haha, you're stupid if you like the Christian/Orton storyline" way, I'm genuinely curious, because it doesn't seem like anyone around these parts is reacting to the angle, or to Christian's heel turn in general, the way WWE wants. The two main camps seem to be:
-Fans of Christian who consider him an underrated talent, who wanted to see him win a world title, and who continue to stand behind him and hope he wins the belt again. They would rather see Christian as a babyface trying to make it back to the top, and aren't exactly thrilled to be invited to cheer for Orton beating the shit out of him.
-Fans who are largely indifferent to Christian and who don't see him as a long-term headliner beyond his brief stint as a proxy for Edge. They are not happy with the current angle because Christian bores them and is doing a bland job in a spot that should be going to someone dynamic and entertaining like Sheamus.
The third option, the one this feud is presumably going for, is that fans will dislike Christian enough to actively want to see Orton kick his ass... but I don't see anyone expressing this opinion. Christian's getting either cheers or apathy, but no boos.
Is this angle working as intended for anyone? Anyone at all?
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 27, 2011 3:31:17 GMT -5
It's the most interesting storyline currently right now. The only problem I have is that I can't boo Christian due to him being in the right. Capitol Punishment could have changed that, but instead they booked him to be wrongfully screwed. This makes me want to cheer for him and win the belt again, not lose to Orton.
Other than that, I love the feud and matches!
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 27, 2011 3:37:28 GMT -5
I am. I love Chrtian in the ring but have also went into every Christian match wanting to see the crap kicked out of him since 2004. Its practically tailor made for me.
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Post by andy82 on Jun 27, 2011 4:17:00 GMT -5
I personally find it hard to enjoy, it just seems too forced in a few ways:
1. Christian came off a face run where he'd just defeated the then biggest heel on Smackdown avenging injury and had huge momentum from Edge's retirement and being a nearly man. He was over as a face and the pops justified this. The sympathy continues with the whole screwjob angle.
2. The heel turn, in which two things irk me. His character change was suttle as a brick, one minute he's taking on all comers, happy etc. then bam, he becomes a massive pussy. I spose it's justifiable, but a change of character over the period of at least a couple of weeks would have made more sense.
3. Christian is still being made a sympathetic figure in the feud, sure he's taken on the WWE cookie cutter chicken shit bitch heel mode, but effectively it's being played in reverse. This kind of storyline should be the face getting screwed by the heel. Having Orton & Long, both officially face, constantly screwing over the heel just seems to be of little sense.
4. It all just feels forced, Orton playing a slightly more charismatic version of his heel character, but as a face. What has he done that justifies liking him? Because he teamed with Orton once? Because he started to not touch the faces? Christian being a hot sympathetic character and over with the crowd, hten because he hit Orton with the belt he's all evil and must be booed? It just all goes against the grain.
5. It's obvious that it's design to prolong Orton's Tour of the Smackdown Heels and keep him with the title for x amount, and Christian ain't getting over from this. Plus, could be speculated that they didn't want another superstar to receive bigger pops than Mr Stupid Stupid Stupid.
6. I prefered the Face vs Face feud between the two.
Not a fan, because I can't really buy this Christian as a heel, and I don't like Orton (Along with the stated six reasons).
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Post by nate5054 on Jun 27, 2011 4:18:45 GMT -5
I'm not liking the idea of Christian getting buried in it.
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Post by CJ on Jun 27, 2011 4:42:29 GMT -5
I hate it with a passion
The entire feud is cringeworthy. It really is...and I knew that Christian was screwed as soon as Randy Orton was drafted. What was the point of giving Christian such a huge moment, and then taking it away? The fans went ballistic when Christian won the World Title. They LOVED it. Edge retiring, Christian finally winning The World Title....it just felt so great. I cried when Christian won the title. It meant that much to me. Hell, I downloaded the match on my computer and still have it saved. Sometimes before Smackdown, I watch the end of the match and the emotional celebration and it fills me with rage. It fills me with anger, and it REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!
But this is all a part of the plan and we should've seen it coming. Randy Orton is tremendously over as a babyface, and it's gotten to the point where he rivals Cena as far as fan reaction is concerned. Except Orton doesn't get booed, so WWE thought he was strong enough to carry a brand...when in actuality he isn't. When Edge retired, they thought sending Randy Orton to Smackdown would fill the void. Hell, if Randy Orton never got drafted and Christian was The Number 1 Guy on Smackdown, Smackdown would still be pulling a 1.7. So adding Randy Orton to the show makes no frikken difference. It all boils down to WWE not trusting Christian as the Face of Smackdown.
The fact is that WWE would like to sell us that Randy Orton is different than John Cena. Randy Orton is The Viper, he's serious, he's emotionless, he's methodical, etc. But the fact of the matter is, Randy Orton is cut from the same cloth as John Cena. Randy Orton IS John Cena. Randy Orton is Smackdown's John Cena. If John Cena were a slow talking, methodical douche, who overcame the odds he'd be Randy Orton. The only difference is their looks and their in ring abilities. The image of those 2 holding The World titles after a 3 hour RAW is basically The WWE's Superpowers Team coming together. That would be fine and dandy if this was 2005, but it's 2011 and it's the same old shit that we've seen for YEARS. Only difference is that Randy Orton is a babyface (a very unlikable one, who I still struggle to find a REAL REASON to cheer for). WWE basically promised us something different and they gave us the same shit...at the first opportunity
So, let me get this straight... Randy Orton punted CM Punk and cost him The World Title. 3 Years Later when Punk wants his revenge, Orton punts The New Nexus for shits and giggles and threatens to make sure CM Punk never walks again. Randy Orton crushes Christian's dream and wins The World Title after winning a popularity contest over Mark Henry & The Great Khali. Then he constantly flaunts that belt in Christian's face and reminds everybody in the galaxy that he is The World Heavyweight Champion. Then Christian hits him with The Belt and he's an evil bastard? Yeah f***ing right... Christian's now a heel who whines and complains and runs away from fights. This is typical WWE...because that's how all their heels are. Christian's not gonna win The World Title again. Randy Orton's run as The Face of Smackdown is just beginning and Christian is just heel Number 1 on the list.
The whole feud feels forced
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 27, 2011 5:04:31 GMT -5
Well there's not much to add to andy82's points, although I do enjoy their matches.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jun 27, 2011 5:13:10 GMT -5
I think we could have seen a great feud had WWE not been so desperate to get their golden boy over. The nonsensical heel turn and chaos that has ensued since has basically turned it into a clusterf***. And that's coming from a Christian mark.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 27, 2011 5:19:28 GMT -5
It should have been booked in a similar fashion to the Triple H / Jeff Hardy feud from 2008 with Christian in Hardy's spot. It was a stupid decision to turn him like they did, people just aren't swallowing it as much as they should.
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Post by maximilian on Jun 27, 2011 6:02:38 GMT -5
-Fans who are largely indifferent to Christian and who don't see him as a long-term headliner beyond his brief stint as a proxy for Edge. They are not happy with the current angle because Christian bores them and is doing a bland job in a spot that should be going to someone dynamic and entertaining like Sheamus. Haha. I wonder who is in this particular camp. Anyway, I love Sheamus and seem to be one of the few who enjoy his matches against Orton, but more of that isn't the answer. As for this program/storyline, the heel turn killed it, plain and simple -- just as I said it would. Christian is a generic sniveling, chickenshit heel, and Orton has gone from being vaguely interesting for the first time in two years back to pausing for three seconds between each word and threatening to kick people in the "skoll." It might have worked in the hands of a capable writer, but it still would have been a mistake. Whether it came against Edge or Orton, I'd been saying for months that turning Christian was a bad idea for a variety of reasons. I really don't know what they were thinking unless their intention was to kill his momentum and destroy his character. And with Henry being booked as a monster again with a clean win over Orton, I don't see Christian beating Orton next month, either. So a "five"-day title reign, two title-match losses, an ill-advised heel turn, yet another loss, and probably one more... if he does lose at MitB, this will have been quite the burial. From potential top face to probably Sin Cara's Summerslam victim in the space of about three and a half months...
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Post by Paco on Jun 27, 2011 6:54:43 GMT -5
-Fans who are largely indifferent to Christian and who don't see him as a long-term headliner beyond his brief stint as a proxy for Edge. They are not happy with the current angle because Christian bores them and is doing a bland job in a spot that should be going to someone dynamic and entertaining like Sheamus. That's a pretty specific camp...whose opinions I've never heard of before your post. Hmmm. Anyway, I'm enjoying the matches themselves. The angle? Not working for me post-Christian heel turn. Feels forced. They just should've rode along with Christian's face title run for a while. For the 5 days it lasted, it was working big time. Orton ruling SD! could've waited a couple of months.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 27, 2011 7:32:01 GMT -5
Turning Christian heel when both brands are in lack of faces was a dumb idea.
Even if Christian stayed face, they still had a plethora of heels for Orton to feud with.
They have Wade Barrett, with or without The Corre. If the Corre had remained together, they could have had a lengthy program with Orton. If the Corre were meant to be "equals" they could have taken turns having PPV matches with Orton. Since Orton is "only" the World Heavyweight Champion and the #2 face and not expected to "headline" like Cena, he could've easily been given throwaway PPV matches against Slater, Gabriel, and Zeke before finally having a proper feud with Barrett.
They have Sheamus
They have Henry, who really didn't need to be thrown into the Big Show/Del Rio feud. He could have done the same thing to Orton or Christian week in and week out to prove that he's a monster
Kane could've gone back to being a heel, as his "face turn" could have been explained away as being out of necessity due to the Corre/Nexus feuds. With The Corre disbanding and CM Punk leaving, Kane has no reason to continue associating with Big Show. After all, they are no longer the tag team champions, they are on separate brands, and their reason(s) for uniting are gone.
Orton vs. The New Legacy would already be a program that could last for months, as Orton could face DiBiase for one PPV (not expected to "headline" like a Cena match; would probably even open the show) , Rhodes the next, and then face both of them in a triple threat the third.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 27, 2011 9:14:55 GMT -5
I just know that WWE is going to bury Christian even further with this storyline going forward. At MITB I have the feeling WWE will do one of two things:
1. Christian simply jobs clean and is out of the title scene. 2. Christian does some sleazy cheating to win the belt and then the next SD the MITB winner will attack him and take the belt.
The second option seems more like what they will do. It will give Christian another lame title reign lasting less than a week, then he can keep whining about being screwed when Wade Barrett or someone else cashes in.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 27, 2011 9:15:02 GMT -5
It's terrible. Christian's a heel for whatever reason...but he keeps getting screwed over by the faces. If I had done it (and I'm not saying this is logical), I would have turned Orton and/or Teddy. Edge was top heel on Smackdown from 2007-2008, so I don't see why they couldn't have let Christian stay face and let Orton be the face of the brand on the heel side.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jun 27, 2011 9:16:25 GMT -5
it started out pretty good but they totally f***ed it up, it's straight up bad booking
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 9:16:33 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it.
I was so happy when Christian finally turned heel. Face/face fueds are boring. This is great because Christian's promos are getting much more interesting.
I loved when he said he wouldn't talk to the WWE Universe anymore and spoke to Cole instead.
Great stuff, honestly better than Truth/Cena by a mile and Sting/Anderson just seems silly in comparision.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Jun 27, 2011 9:19:25 GMT -5
Honestly, from the day I heard the spoilers about Christian losing the title just 2 days after winning it, I've boycotted SD. Whether it was fodder for a heel turn or not, that's not how you treat a 17 year veteran and a former NWA World Champion. The whole feud has made Christian look like an underdog, like Orton's little bitch. And f*** everything about that.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 27, 2011 9:29:08 GMT -5
I think the stuff has been awesome.
Heel Christian is miles better than that bland face thing he's been doing, and the matches have been awesome. Can't ask for much more.
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Post by PKO on Jun 27, 2011 9:31:30 GMT -5
I really like it, but I'm on Christian's side. That's not a bad thing to be on the heels side once in a while because it makes things more interesting.
People that haven't been watching their feud have missed some great matches that's for sure. And Christian is in a better position than he has ever been in the WWE.
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Post by bob on Jun 27, 2011 10:44:11 GMT -5
I hate it, Christian being billed as the bad guy in this make no sense
but the matches between the two have been great
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