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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 15:33:29 GMT -5
Again though, Rock answered that and said "No, it's not for the money, you're under contract, you are there for the money simply because of that, I'm coming back (not under contract) to face you because of you running your mouth and being a tool, grow up." Seriously, Cena is drowning. They're all under contract, so thats kinda lame. I know, but given Cena's schtick since February this year has been about him being there day in day out whilst The Rock never did that for the fans I reckon it's obvious The Rock wins in that argument. Rock saying "I was there for years, I came back from succesful grossing films, I am not doing it for money, I'm coming back to make you shut the Hell up, you pandering moron," seals it in kayfabe. EDIT: should say I AM a Cena fan, I happen to be a bigger fan of The Rock but in kayfabe all things considered from promos Cena has just been repeating the same stuff over and over whilst the Rock has answered his points several times. I am seriously excited for this match.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 13, 2011 15:35:18 GMT -5
Nobody is marketed more towards kids than Cena, I'm sorry. As for the other part, don't worry, I'm sure someone will inform on him out of spite just like with Punk.
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Post by ronin705 on Jul 13, 2011 15:37:54 GMT -5
Again though, Rock answered that and said "No, it's not for the money, you're under contract, you are there for the money simply because of that, I'm coming back (not under contract) to face you because of you running your mouth and being a tool, grow up." Seriously, Cena is drowning. It was The Rock who bought up the money thing. To me that is a moot point. It's of no relevance. Cena's point is simply that, for him, WWE is his dream and his ultimate goal. Whereas The Rock claims he loves it all just as much but in fact it is obvious that his ultimate goal is to be a movie star. Of course it could be claimed that the only reason Cena hasn't moved away from WWE is because he hasn't been given the offers. But personally I believe Cena when he says that he plans on being a WWE guy for life. I'm not criticising The Rock by the way. But I can see Cena's point. but saying that rock's ultimate goal was that is like saying his entire tenure in WWF was solely until something better came up, which i truly dont believe is the case. I can believe he fell in love with the allure of hollywood, many people do, and add in the fact he knew he could make a reasonable living elsewhere without killing himself , he decided on that route. So why IF that's the case, would that put any effect on how much he still loves the wrestling game? Maybe he just didn't wanna die do doing it, or being like Flair or Hogan pretty much one foot in the grave still tryna keep that spotlight on them. Wolf Hurricane I am a HUGE Rock mark, though i hated that bday episode, was completely stupid and pointless. Gimme a dq ice cream cake bootleg cap america movie, and im good lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 15:37:54 GMT -5
The Rock is one of the best promos guys ever, and that video proved it. He nailed it...and he didn't have to "break the fourth wall" to get people's attention.
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Post by Massive G on Jul 13, 2011 15:42:33 GMT -5
JohnCena "CeNation. Just saw Dwayne's statement. Via satellite of course. Sad, really. It was like an episode of mad money I wonder if GLAAD will be offended by Dwayne's comments. Either way..looks like I have really made him mad. But, certainly not mad enough to show up and do anything. Maybe he can send a stuntman." Ahahahahah Why would GLAAD be offended? Rock never came out and SAID Cena's extra-curricular fellatio was a BAD thing. Just that Cena did it. NOTHING to be even remotely offended by there, unless they're gonna get pissed that he didn't out and out ENDORSE it. *shrug* he pretty clearly meant it as an insulting, derogatory thing, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. Isn't saying that Cena spent his college years gladly funneling hog just a more circuitous way of calling him a homo? I don't really care either way, I guess I'm just confused where the line is drawn.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 13, 2011 15:43:11 GMT -5
So you only want the Rocky cock riders to post in this thread? by all means come on in, but at least have valid/plausible counter points, then seeing your mascot do nothing but pander to the fans who are already leaving him for cm punk, and act as if it's some kind of worthwhile response. LOL I am not a Cena fan. I am a Punk fan who didnt like that you attacked a Cena fan for posting in this thread.
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Post by CJ on Jul 13, 2011 15:45:10 GMT -5
Why does it matter if Rock left? Cena should be happy that Rock even shows up. Who the hell is John Cena to question another man's love for the business? Who is John Cena to say that Rock used wrestling to become an actor? Cena makes it seem like all Rock wanted to do was become an actor...when that's just not true!
The Rock is an actor, he can't show up EVERY SINGLE WEEK
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2011 15:48:33 GMT -5
It was The Rock who bought up the money thing. To me that is a moot point. It's of no relevance. Cena's point is simply that, for him, WWE is his dream and his ultimate goal. Whereas The Rock claims he loves it all just as much but in fact it is obvious that his ultimate goal is to be a movie star. Of course it could be claimed that the only reason Cena hasn't moved away from WWE is because he hasn't been given the offers. But personally I believe Cena when he says that he plans on being a WWE guy for life. I'm not criticising The Rock by the way. But I can see Cena's point. but saying that rock's ultimate goal was that is like saying his entire tenure in WWF was solely until something better came up, which i truly dont believe is the case. I can believe he fell in love with the allure of hollywood, many people do, and add in the fact he knew he could make a reasonable living elsewhere without killing himself , he decided on that route. So why IF that's the case, would that put any effect on how much he still loves the wrestling game? Maybe he just didn't wanna die do doing it, or being like Flair or Hogan pretty much one foot in the grave still tryna keep that spotlight on them. Wolf Hurricane I am a HUGE Rock mark, though i hated that bday episode, was completely stupid and pointless. Gimme a dq ice cream cake bootleg cap america movie, and im good lol I don't expect him to come back and break himself down to prove his passion for the business I entirely understand why any sane person would eventually want a break from it all. But, and the point has been hammered home so I apologise for saying it again, it would have been nice to have seen him just once in that 6 years he was away. THAT is what suggests to me that he loves the adulation more than he loves the business. If he really loved this business he would have been back to say hi and to help boost the companies image when it really needed it. Instead he came back when he fancied it. And that is 100% fair enough, I guess. But it also makes Cena right. Because Cena simply claims that he has genuine passion for what he does. Whereas The Rock prefers to just come and go when he fancies it. So as much as I love The Rock, I am on Cena's side here. Because I believe Cena loves wrestling as much as I do.
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Post by Methusael86 on Jul 13, 2011 15:50:50 GMT -5
I was almost liking this pormo until he did that whole thing about how "real men" see how phony Cena is. Because if there's anybody that should talk about what real men represent, it's the guy who stars in crappy Disney movies.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 13, 2011 15:53:09 GMT -5
I don't know if I've said this before, but I'm gonna go ahead and say this again. This reeks of Matt/Edge from a few years ago; Vince making money off of quite possible real contempt these two (Rock and Cena) may have for each other.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 13, 2011 15:53:26 GMT -5
but saying that rock's ultimate goal was that is like saying his entire tenure in WWF was solely until something better came up, which i truly dont believe is the case. I can believe he fell in love with the allure of hollywood, many people do, and add in the fact he knew he could make a reasonable living elsewhere without killing himself , he decided on that route. So why IF that's the case, would that put any effect on how much he still loves the wrestling game? Maybe he just didn't wanna die do doing it, or being like Flair or Hogan pretty much one foot in the grave still tryna keep that spotlight on them. Wolf Hurricane I am a HUGE Rock mark, though i hated that bday episode, was completely stupid and pointless. Gimme a dq ice cream cake bootleg cap america movie, and im good lol I don't expect him to come back and break himself down to prove his passion for the business I entirely understand why any sane person would eventually want a break from it all. But, and the point has been hammered home so I apologise for saying it again, it would have been nice to have seen him just once in that 6 years he was away. THAT is what suggests to me that he loves the adulation more than he loves the business. If he really loved this business he would have been back to say hi and to help boost the companies image when it really needed it. Instead he came back when he fancied it. And that is 100% fair enough, I guess. But it also makes Cena right. Because Cena simply claims that he has genuine passion for what he does. Whereas The Rock prefers to just come and go when he fancies it. So as much as I love The Rock, I am on Cena's side here. Because I believe Cena loves wrestling as much as I do. Well, if that's true, since he isn't drawing money anymore, let's pay him what the upper midcarders get paid and see how much he loves wrestling. $400K instead of $6M and all of the various promotions and tours and press conferences and what not, covering his own travel, etc, and go out there and do that. If that happened, no one would have a leg to stand on. But it won't and shouldn't, so he kinda gets to use that as a strawman. Which was one of the points of the promo. The guy gives himself up, I don't doubt that, but he gets paid ALOT by what wrestlers make and hell, he probably makes more than guys like Rock/Stone Cold/Taker, etc. did back in the day.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 13, 2011 15:54:36 GMT -5
The money thing is stupid. Seriously. It doesn't even make sense.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 13, 2011 15:56:19 GMT -5
but saying that rock's ultimate goal was that is like saying his entire tenure in WWF was solely until something better came up, which i truly dont believe is the case. I can believe he fell in love with the allure of hollywood, many people do, and add in the fact he knew he could make a reasonable living elsewhere without killing himself , he decided on that route. So why IF that's the case, would that put any effect on how much he still loves the wrestling game? Maybe he just didn't wanna die do doing it, or being like Flair or Hogan pretty much one foot in the grave still tryna keep that spotlight on them. Wolf Hurricane I am a HUGE Rock mark, though i hated that bday episode, was completely stupid and pointless. Gimme a dq ice cream cake bootleg cap america movie, and im good lol I don't expect him to come back and break himself down to prove his passion for the business I entirely understand why any sane person would eventually want a break from it all. But, and the point has been hammered home so I apologise for saying it again, it would have been nice to have seen him just once in that 6 years he was away. THAT is what suggests to me that he loves the adulation more than he loves the business. If he really loved this business he would have been back to say hi and to help boost the companies image when it really needed it. Instead he came back when he fancied it. And that is 100% fair enough, I guess. But it also makes Cena right. Because Cena simply claims that he has genuine passion for what he does. Whereas The Rock prefers to just come and go when he fancies it. So as much as I love The Rock, I am on Cena's side here. Because I believe Cena loves wrestling as much as I do. But how much of him not showing up had to do with the way he was treated? He didn't refuse to sign a new contract, his contract was canceled on him by Vince as soon as it became clear that he was actually being successful. Prior to that, he was showing up between movies. If Vince hadn't gotten petty and canceled it without telling him, we might have seen Rock before this past year. That's the problem with that argument. Vince got petty, and then had Cena complain that the Rock wasn't there for several years until he could use the Rock to boost buyrates.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jul 13, 2011 15:56:50 GMT -5
Cena's twitter response was weak. Just like the Rock said. "I'm here! I'm here! Love me! Look at my passion! Pleeeeeease like me!"
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Post by CJ on Jul 13, 2011 15:59:39 GMT -5
The money thing is stupid. Seriously. It doesn't even make sense. Rock doesn't need the money. So when he does show up, it's because he does love the fans. Cena may love WWE and it's fans, but the guy gets paid. Him showing up EVERY NIGHT, is basically him doing his job. He HAS to show up. So he can talk about Rock's passion or his own passion all he wants. But Rock's proving that he loves WWE by even showing up when he doesn't have to... that's basically his point. And it does make sense
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 13, 2011 16:00:21 GMT -5
The money thing is stupid. Seriously. It doesn't even make sense. It makes perfect sense. He's amazingly well compensated considering the position of the business. And he does all of those appearences for the WWE. Nobody says how great the lower card guy making jack is for making appearences. And he makes money of his character being the pandering white meat babyface, as attested by the bazillion kids in the audience with the latest (it's really uncanny, it's not like you see too many purple Cena shirts or John Deere Cena shirts) John Cena shirt in the audience. So all of this stuff he says he is (and hell this is actually starting to melt out of being John Cena the character and into John Cena the person, so I guess I should apologize for that because it's going to piss someone off), he's well compensated for being these things. It's one of those things that should be out there in the open and I was kinda disappointed when Punk didn't go there. Probably because he can't, he ran down Rey like that at the last PPV (he's just using kids to get wealthy) and has never been back to something similiar. So, that must have gotten shot down for being too real and touchy.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2011 16:03:43 GMT -5
I don't expect him to come back and break himself down to prove his passion for the business I entirely understand why any sane person would eventually want a break from it all. But, and the point has been hammered home so I apologise for saying it again, it would have been nice to have seen him just once in that 6 years he was away. THAT is what suggests to me that he loves the adulation more than he loves the business. If he really loved this business he would have been back to say hi and to help boost the companies image when it really needed it. Instead he came back when he fancied it. And that is 100% fair enough, I guess. But it also makes Cena right. Because Cena simply claims that he has genuine passion for what he does. Whereas The Rock prefers to just come and go when he fancies it. So as much as I love The Rock, I am on Cena's side here. Because I believe Cena loves wrestling as much as I do. But how much of him not showing up had to do with the way he was treated? He didn't refuse to sign a new contract, his contract was canceled on him by Vince as soon as it became clear that he was actually being successful. Prior to that, he was showing up between movies. If Vince hadn't gotten petty and canceled it without telling him, we might have seen Rock before this past year. Well I have to admit I don't know much about that contract stuff. So it is more than possible it had a bearing on things, I guess. But from my point of view, while I think The Rock's promos have at times been funny, I still find myself siding with Cena. I feel like The Rock does just as much pandering as people claim Cena does. His insistence that 'real men' don't like Cena is horrendous pandering and came across a little sexist in that promo. Also Cena addressed the point about the fact that he has a specific following on the Raw before Wrestlemania. I have never seen Cena try to convince anyone to like him. Either people do, at this point, or they don't. He has never really attempted to get the 'smark' vote.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 13, 2011 16:05:21 GMT -5
The money thing is stupid. Seriously. It doesn't even make sense. Rock doesn't need the money. So when he does show up, it's because he does love the fans. AND HE DOESN"T SHOW UP! That what they're all talking about! He left, for 7 years, no live appearances, and came back, said how much he loved wrestling, and made 2 appearances after that. He's distanced himself so much from wrestling that some of the wrestlers themselves don't respect him like you'd expect them to do with someone of his success. This is why Jericho and Austin don't get shots thrown at them from WWE workers, and while Cena, Orton, and Punk continuously take shots at the Rock. He's not 'one of them', and he's being mocked by those three just like a guest host would get mocked.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 13, 2011 16:06:39 GMT -5
To paraphrase Rock himself we've gone from the epic struggles of Austin against McMahon and his Corporate Champion the Rock to Rock and Cena sniping at each other on the internet like two teenaged girls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 16:08:47 GMT -5
With this and Cena vs Punk... to me these are the absolute BEST programs of the last decade or at least since Michaels vs Jericho 2. Real passion, crossing the lines between reality and kayfabe, making the viewer guess what going to happen. And whats more amazing to me, is that Cena, a guy who in 2006 i HATED with a vile passion... is involved in the two biggest and most interesting programs I've seen in years... SIMULTANEOUSLY. No matter what happens MITB will be amazing and I can't help but feel it'll add yet more fuel to the Cena vs Rock fire. I'm actually excited about what might will happen. But anywho, just wanted to bring some unanalysed positivity .
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