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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 14, 2011 20:45:19 GMT -5
I've said it before and I've said it again. Orton seems like an ass and I'll celebrate the day he gets fired or leaves.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 14, 2011 20:52:31 GMT -5
Imagine what he says about his 12 wives behind their backs.
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Post by randomranter on Jul 14, 2011 21:49:02 GMT -5
1) In any other workplace, comments like Randy made would have been enough to get him fired before the interview was even over. Even in the (general) entertainment industry, comments like that are enough to cause long-lasting damage to people's careers.
2) Kelly has an airtight sexual harassment suit against Orton. Even if she screwed every guy on the roster, half the women, and Stephanie's dog, that STILL does not give Randy the right to broadcast her private life in such a public fashion. Even making offhand, indirect jokes about it is enough to put you on the wrong end of a lawsuit.
3) If Orton is not (at the *very* least) appropriately reprimanded, Kelly could have a pretty solid lawsuit against the WWE as well for not doing anything about it once it was brought to their attention. Now I'm not saying that he has to drop the belt and spend the next six months jobbing to Hornswoggle, but some form of appropriate, official, verifiable punishment needs to take place if the WWE wants to escape a lawsuit.
4) Did she win the Diva's belt before or after this interview? if it was after the interview, I could see a run with the belt as Vince's way of trying to cool things down. Even if it was before the interview, I could see Vince deciding to give her a lengthy run with the title. He knows she's in the driver's seat, and if he's a smart boy, he's going to give her virtually whatever she wants.
Both Orton and Vince should consider themselves lucky that Kelly didn't quit on the spot and head straight for an attorney's office.
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Post by Robbymac on Jul 14, 2011 21:56:27 GMT -5
1) In any other workplace, comments like Randy made would have been enough to get him fired before the interview was even over. Even in the (general) entertainment industry, comments like that are enough to cause long-lasting damage to people's careers. 2) Kelly has an airtight sexual harassment suit against Orton. Even if she screwed every guy on the roster, half the women, and Stephanie's dog, that STILL does not give Randy the right to broadcast her private life in such a public fashion. Even making offhand, indirect jokes about it is enough to put you on the wrong end of a lawsuit. 3) If Orton is not (at the *very* least) appropriately reprimanded, Kelly could have a pretty solid lawsuit against the WWE as well for not doing anything about it once it was brought to their attention. Now I'm not saying that he has to drop the belt and spend the next six months jobbing to Hornswoggle, but some form of appropriate, official, verifiable punishment needs to take place if the WWE wants to escape a lawsuit. 4) Did she win the Diva's belt before or after this interview? if it was after the interview, I could see a run with the belt as Vince's way of trying to cool things down. Even if it was before the interview, I could see Vince deciding to give her a lengthy run with the title. He knows she's in the driver's seat, and if he's a smart boy, he's going to give her virtually whatever she wants. Both Orton and Vince should consider themselves lucky that Kelly didn't quit on the spot and head straight for an attorney's office. You disappoint me ranter...I figured you'd play the angle that the dirtsheets just made an educated guess that there's heat on Orton for the interview. It doesn't take a genius to come up with the idea that WWE was pissed at Orton for this interview.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 14, 2011 21:58:18 GMT -5
Heatz on Orton, Christian to be punished!!11!!!!! Yyyyyyyyup!
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2011 22:00:35 GMT -5
She'd only have a strong case if the information Orton provided was false. For the libel, yes. I was a little iffy putting that part in there, but she's definitely got a sexual harassment case if she wanted to pursue it. Possibly, but if it didn't happen on the job, it makes it a lot trickier, too.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 14, 2011 22:06:39 GMT -5
Also, I'll LOL if Randy drops the belt Sunday, since it would be the second time Christian was given the belt out of outside circumstance.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 14, 2011 22:16:37 GMT -5
Couldn't be any sorta libel case, as libel is written.
Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm.
Now the harassment route might have legs.
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Post by randomranter on Jul 14, 2011 22:20:10 GMT -5
1) In any other workplace, comments like Randy made would have been enough to get him fired before the interview was even over. Even in the (general) entertainment industry, comments like that are enough to cause long-lasting damage to people's careers. 2) Kelly has an airtight sexual harassment suit against Orton. Even if she screwed every guy on the roster, half the women, and Stephanie's dog, that STILL does not give Randy the right to broadcast her private life in such a public fashion. Even making offhand, indirect jokes about it is enough to put you on the wrong end of a lawsuit. 3) If Orton is not (at the *very* least) appropriately reprimanded, Kelly could have a pretty solid lawsuit against the WWE as well for not doing anything about it once it was brought to their attention. Now I'm not saying that he has to drop the belt and spend the next six months jobbing to Hornswoggle, but some form of appropriate, official, verifiable punishment needs to take place if the WWE wants to escape a lawsuit. 4) Did she win the Diva's belt before or after this interview? if it was after the interview, I could see a run with the belt as Vince's way of trying to cool things down. Even if it was before the interview, I could see Vince deciding to give her a lengthy run with the title. He knows she's in the driver's seat, and if he's a smart boy, he's going to give her virtually whatever she wants. Both Orton and Vince should consider themselves lucky that Kelly didn't quit on the spot and head straight for an attorney's office. You disappoint me ranter...I figured you'd play the angle that the dirtsheets just made an educated guess that there's heat on Orton for the interview. It doesn't take a genius to come up with the idea that WWE was pissed at Orton for this interview. well i figured it went without saying. Took them a while too. Didn't the interview happen a few weeks ago? A little slow on the draw with their newz....
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Post by randomranter on Jul 14, 2011 22:26:17 GMT -5
For the libel, yes. I was a little iffy putting that part in there, but she's definitely got a sexual harassment case if she wanted to pursue it. Possibly, but if it didn't happen on the job, it makes it a lot trickier, too. No it doesn't. He made public statements exposing the alleged sex life of one of his co-workers. And he did so as a representative of the company. If I went to the papers (heh...) and exposed the sex life of one of my co-workers, I may as well not even bother showing up for work in the morning. Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm. I think you'll have a hard time finding any reasonable person who will say that needlessly saying that your co-worker is a slut who's made her way around the locker room won't cause her any backlash and/or harm.
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Post by Robbymac on Jul 14, 2011 22:28:25 GMT -5
Couldn't be any sorta libel case, as libel is written. Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm. Now the harassment route might have legs. Actually you would have to prove that not only was Orton's statements not true, but that he knew they were untrue and said them with the intent of causing harm.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 14, 2011 22:31:45 GMT -5
Couldn't be any sorta libel case, as libel is written. Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm. Now the harassment route might have legs. There are certain things that accusing someone of is considered innately harmful to such a degree that the defendant doesn't actually have to prove damages for it to be considered defamation. It would apply if, say, you called someone a pedophile or spread lies that they had an STD. What he was saying about her falls under that category, so she wouldn't have to prove backlash if she so wanted to. OF course, it also has to be false and i don't know if it is or isn't, but there is definitely precedent for what he said to be actionable just by the nature of it. That's one of the reasons why it's also really bad for the company to have employees saying things like that on a public outlet. Couldn't be any sorta libel case, as libel is written. Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm. Now the harassment route might have legs. Actually you would have to prove that not only was Orton's statements not true, but that he knew they were untrue and said them with the intent of causing harm. In defamation cases, you have to prove knowledge of falsity (they knew it wasn't true) or reckless disregard for the truth (they didn't know it was untrue, but they never attempted to find out if it was or wasn't). So he could have believed it was true and still get in legal trouble.
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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Jul 15, 2011 2:36:38 GMT -5
Couldn't be any sorta libel case, as libel is written. Slander, maybe. But even then you'd have to probably prove what Orton said caused some sort of backlash and/or harm. Now the harassment route might have legs. I get slander, but how is it harassment?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 15, 2011 2:39:48 GMT -5
And yet, guys who are completely polite and non-offensive in interviews get stuck losing to this guy every week.
On another note, this is real hypocrisy. No one ever badmouths CM Punk for banging every Diva under the sun. Why can't a girl screw everyone too?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 15, 2011 3:02:57 GMT -5
And yet, guys who are completely polite and non-offensive in interviews get stuck losing to this guy every week. On another note, this is real hypocrisy. No one ever badmouths CM Punk Batista for banging every Diva under the sun. Why can't a girl screw everyone too? Because we live in a Chauvinistic, male-dominant Western civilization that's so screwed up when it comes to sex we have about a hundred different opinions on everything? Seriously, you're not supposed to have sex before marriage, but if you don't you're looked at funny. If a guy cheats on a girl, his mistress gets just as much (sometimes more) crap than the guy who actually cheated. And, of course, there's the obvious double standard you pointed out yourself. Also, CM Punk doesn't count. He's held to a FAAAAAAR different set of rules from everybody else anyway.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 15, 2011 4:06:33 GMT -5
His comments about Kelly were obnoxious.
Should have been punished by having to drop the title.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 15, 2011 4:53:55 GMT -5
K2 used to botch stripping, I wonder if she botches sex as well.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jul 15, 2011 16:12:44 GMT -5
This is just common sense.
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Post by TMK on Jul 15, 2011 16:33:25 GMT -5
Wonderful, Orton comes across as a cool guy outside the ring. I'm sure most people are just defending Kelly because she's a semi-attractive Diva and this forum does tend to drool over every female wrestler ever. She's always seemed to come across as a bit of a skank to me.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 15, 2011 16:38:05 GMT -5
Wonderful, Orton comes across as a cool guy outside the ring. I'm sure most people are just defending Kelly because she's a semi-attractive Diva and this forum does tend to drool over every female wrestler ever. She's always seemed to come across as a bit of a skank to me. Actually we're slagging Orton because trashing your coworkers is a shitty thing to do.
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