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Post by Green Arrow on Jul 1, 2011 2:08:58 GMT -5
The chance that it might actually work? If you never try, you'll never know. And it's not as if Low Ki's or Cabana's indy cred is damaged in the least. Thing is they have tried, and failed, Vince has shown he is not keen one wrestlers not created in FCW (3 exceptions being, daniels,punk(who is leaving I might add) and cara. If they get somewhere I'll be happy to eat my words, I just don;t expect the soon to be broken up tag team of Hanz Freidman and Layton Kreggins to be lighting a fire in the wwe. Bourne, Del Rio...
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Jul 1, 2011 2:18:58 GMT -5
There is literally no downside to it. I agree with everything you said except this. The downside is lack of artistic freedom. Which is a huge downside when you love what these guys can do in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 2:33:48 GMT -5
There is literally no downside to it. I agree with everything you said except this. The downside is lack of artistic freedom. Which is a huge downside when you love what these guys can do in the ring. ehhh well, yeah, i guess theres that, a bit. To me, as a fan anyway, i've never really minded or even noticed all that much the "lack of artistic freedom" a wrestler loses when he goes to WWE, but thats just from my fans perspective. It's not like it'd make either guy suck any. It would just make them a bit less awesome. The positive to it though is that it is a tad 'safer' to work the WWE style with the shorter matches, so in the long run it is kinda better for their bodies and everything. That last points probably a stupid one that doesnt make any sense, but its 330 and i dont care
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Jul 1, 2011 2:58:49 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said except this. The downside is lack of artistic freedom. Which is a huge downside when you love what these guys can do in the ring. ehhh well, yeah, i guess theres that, a bit. To me, as a fan anyway, i've never really minded or even noticed all that much the "lack of artistic freedom" a wrestler loses when he goes to WWE, but thats just from my fans perspective. It's not like it'd make either guy suck any. It would just make them a bit less awesome. The positive to it though is that it is a tad 'safer' to work the WWE style with the shorter matches, so in the long run it is kinda better for their bodies and everything. That last points probably a stupid one that doesnt make any sense, but its 330 and i dont care I can understand your point, and truthfully i don't have much of a problem with it because i can still watch indie wrestling. It's just a downside that for the people you love to not get to work like that. But i can agree with what you're saying and it's not a stupid point. I'm also not pessimistic about this. I know that Hero and/or Castagnoli will shine in the WWE. Even if i don't have faith in creative i have faith in their talent.
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Post by I *still* ✡ Johnny on Jul 1, 2011 7:31:07 GMT -5
To get it out of the way Claudio's WWE name is Bryan Danielson.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 1, 2011 7:43:36 GMT -5
I know everyone is joking, but Claudio probably does need a name change. At least his last name does. Castagnoli isn't going to work I don't think.
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Post by r. on Jul 1, 2011 8:03:43 GMT -5
Thing is they have tried, and failed, Vince has shown he is not keen one wrestlers not created in FCW (3 exceptions being, daniels,punk(who is leaving I might add) and cara. If they get somewhere I'll be happy to eat my words, I just don;t expect the soon to be broken up tag team of Hanz Freidman and Layton Kreggins to be lighting a fire in the wwe. Bourne, Del Rio... I'll give you Del Rio, but Evan Bourne gets used every other 2 weeks at best, with little or no development or upward movement for his character. I'm going to use an analogy (Which is a bit apples to oranges but bear with me) So your a cook who specializes in cakes, You don't have a show on the food network but your fairly well known for your cake making abilities, Then Gordon Ramsey (A world known chef and Playing the role of Vince in this analogy) hires you to be on his newest show "Great Cooks", Now your thrilled because finally your hard work has paid off, You get on the set and Ramsey decides to dye your hair orange and have you make sub sandwiches, You are fired shortly after for doing a bad job, What was the point? I know it can be annoying hearing people say "x" won't make it in wwe how can you know? But it isn't being said without merit. There not coming up as a tag, I will bet the farm on that, Individually there is a chance they could get to lower mid card but to me that just seems like a gross misuse of there abilities.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Jul 1, 2011 10:16:29 GMT -5
ehhh well, yeah, i guess theres that, a bit. To me, as a fan anyway, i've never really minded or even noticed all that much the "lack of artistic freedom" a wrestler loses when he goes to WWE, but thats just from my fans perspective. It's not like it'd make either guy suck any. It would just make them a bit less awesome. The positive to it though is that it is a tad 'safer' to work the WWE style with the shorter matches, so in the long run it is kinda better for their bodies and everything. That last points probably a stupid one that doesnt make any sense, but its 330 and i dont care I can understand your point, and truthfully i don't have much of a problem with it because i can still watch indie wrestling. It's just a downside that for the people you love to not get to work like that. But i can agree with what you're saying and it's not a stupid point. I'm also not pessimistic about this. I know that Hero and/or Castagnoli will shine in the WWE. Even if i don't have faith in creative i have faith in their talent. You know, and I agree with both here, I think it is kind of fun to see how a talented indie guy like Bryan, Bourne, Punk, etc. have adapted their style to the WWE. I've only been following Bryan closely since about 2008, but I have seen what he can do when given the chance to go all out. This being said however, I feel like Bryan has really showed what a talented and intelligent wrestler he is, by being able to accommodate what made his indie stuff memorable in a more camera-conscious setting. The move-set he constructed makes a lot of sense together, and even though we all loved the Cattle Mutilation, the Lebell Lock is a thrilling and convincing finisher. I would be very interested to see how someone like Hero, who has thousands of moves in his arsenal, would do the same. Would he keep the elbow? Would it be the equivalent to Bryan's buzzsaw kick where it is used as a secondary finisher? What submissions would he use? All these artistic decisions would be very exciting to see I think. And it's not like Bryan isn't still taking prety big risks/bumps, like that one at Night of Champions where Miz clotheslined him off the ropes, causing Bryan to land on his head. You can pepper big spots or exotic (to the casual WWE audience) moves every know and then, but Bryan understands the importance of making those spots special. Doing more with less is something someone like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were best at, and I think using those models, with the wealth of talent that guys like Claudio, Hero, Rollins, and so on have, it should be very exciting for us to watch our indie talents hit the big time.
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Post by jrcz on Jul 1, 2011 10:23:07 GMT -5
I know everyone is joking, but Claudio probably does need a name change. At least his last name does. Castagnoli isn't going to work I don't think. Why?
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Post by Cronant on Jul 1, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -5
I know everyone is joking, but Claudio probably does need a name change. At least his last name does. Castagnoli isn't going to work I don't think. Why? The spelling, pronounciation, length, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 10:27:01 GMT -5
I know everyone is joking, but Claudio probably does need a name change. At least his last name does. Castagnoli isn't going to work I don't think. They could probably leave his name as is, maybe before long shortening it to the one word "Claudio" which would be fine I guess. Basically same as they did with Sheamus
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Post by jrcz on Jul 1, 2011 10:28:13 GMT -5
The spelling, pronounciation, length, etc. It's a foreign name.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 1, 2011 10:28:16 GMT -5
The spelling, pronounciation, length, etc. Yeah... I could easily see it being shortened to simply Claudio, kind of like what they did with Sheamus when he got called up to the main roster. That is, of course, if they don't give him a whole new name.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 1, 2011 10:46:54 GMT -5
I 100% expect him to just be Claudio if they stick with that name at all.
EDIT: His real name is Claudio Castignoli. He WON'T be Claudio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but its been a long time since they had a person use their real name due to wanting something easier to trademark.
Alberto del Rio's Swiss banker maybe?
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Post by wrestlinggod13 on Jul 1, 2011 10:52:56 GMT -5
Alberto del Rio's Swiss banker maybe? BOOK IT.
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Post by SassovsHart on Jul 1, 2011 13:20:07 GMT -5
So you'd rather keep them in the indies, where they've accomplished practically everything there is to accomplish, 'til they become stale and complacent there, rather than at least trying to press their luck in the WWE? I get for every CM Punk and Daniel Bryan there's a Scotty Goldman and a Kaval, but still. You can't play it safe forever. Try dozens Scotty Goldmans and Kavals. If anything Punk and DB are the very rare exceptions. Daniel Bryan, unknowingly or not, has significant influence backstage thanks to his connections with Shawn Michaels and William Regal. CM Punk was fortunate in that he was scouted by Paul Heyman and protected by him when he first arrived. Castagnoli and Hero both have connections to Regal too. I really think it's comparing apples and oranges though to bring up guys like Kaval or Scotty Goldman, or in other posts, Evan Bourne, when talking about this case here. Considering, as others have said, these guys have the size factor going on. Granted, Hero at one point had a look that WWE would have hated, but he's changed that.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 1, 2011 13:27:26 GMT -5
Hero was already booked for those ROH shows that Claudio wasn't booked for, so I don't know that you can necessarily read into that TOO much.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jul 1, 2011 13:39:11 GMT -5
I'll give you Del Rio, but Evan Bourne gets used every other 2 weeks at best, with little or no development or upward movement for his character. You're 100% right. Why even be a wrestler if you're not a main eventer who is constantly developing your character. Plus financial stability?? Who needs it....
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Post by Altabane on Jul 1, 2011 13:59:23 GMT -5
Hero was already booked for those ROH shows that Claudio wasn't booked for, so I don't know that you can necessarily read into that TOO much. That's what I thought about it, because I remember looking up those dates on their site long before this report. I really really hope they both go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 14:11:57 GMT -5
One of their names will end up being Taylor Clay!
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