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Post by celticjobber on Jun 30, 2011 22:41:13 GMT -5
Maybe if Punk re-signed, they can be in a stable with him. Why would you do that to them? I would have an anti-Vince invasion with Punk, the KOW, Colt, maybe Zack Ryder, and a big WWE main eventer (possibly Cena ala Hogan joining the nWo) just to make sure it doesn't get the SES or Nexus treatment.
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Post by Burst on Jun 30, 2011 22:41:14 GMT -5
I just don't want either of them to undergo a Lance Hoyt -> Vance Archer transition where they're systematically stripped of everything that made them unique. Lance Hoyt had big hair before he came in, too.
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Post by r. on Jun 30, 2011 23:07:02 GMT -5
/face palm, why? They are in no way going to be used correctly at all.
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Post by Burst on Jun 30, 2011 23:15:00 GMT -5
/face palm, why? They are in no way going to be used correctly at all. So you'd rather keep them in the indies, where they've accomplished practically everything there is to accomplish, 'til they become stale and complacent there, rather than at least trying to press their luck in the WWE? I get for every CM Punk and Daniel Bryan there's a Scotty Goldman and a Kaval, but still. You can't play it safe forever.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 30, 2011 23:21:07 GMT -5
Its a risk, but hell, if they get Kaval'd they still have their indy fanbase plus a bit more exposure and a "WWE screwed me over" angle to play with. The possibility, however slim, of wrestling the biggest names out there, in front of the biggest crowds, and of course the chance to possibly wrestle at Wrestlemania. Thats got to be worth a shot for most wrestlers.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jun 30, 2011 23:30:43 GMT -5
/face palm, why? They are in no way going to be used correctly at all. So you'd rather keep them in the indies, where they've accomplished practically everything there is to accomplish, 'til they become stale and complacent there, rather than at least trying to press their luck in the WWE? I get for every CM Punk and Daniel Bryan there's a Scotty Goldman and a Kaval, but still. You can't play it safe forever. Try dozens Scotty Goldmans and Kavals. If anything Punk and DB are the very rare exceptions. Daniel Bryan, unknowingly or not, has significant influence backstage thanks to his connections with Shawn Michaels and William Regal. CM Punk was fortunate in that he was scouted by Paul Heyman and protected by him when he first arrived.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 30, 2011 23:32:39 GMT -5
And there are dozens of guys who weren't indy stars who failed. That chance is always there for anyone who signs a contract. Some higher than others, but thats how it is.
And guys like Kaval and CM Punk are different. Not all "Indy names" are the same. Claudio and Hero have more size on their side than most, Punk had better mic skills, etc.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 30, 2011 23:58:16 GMT -5
I look forward to such talented young men jobbed out repeatly for the foreseeable future.
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Post by r. on Jun 30, 2011 23:59:35 GMT -5
So you'd rather keep them in the indies, where they've accomplished practically everything there is to accomplish, 'til they become stale and complacent there, rather than at least trying to press their luck in the WWE? I get for every CM Punk and Daniel Bryan there's a Scotty Goldman and a Kaval, but still. You can't play it safe forever. Try dozens Scotty Goldmans and Kavals. If anything Punk and DB are the very rare exceptions. Daniel Bryan, unknowingly or not, has significant influence backstage thanks to his connections with Shawn Michaels and William Regal. CM Punk was fortunate in that he was scouted by Paul Heyman and protected by him when he first arrived. THIS, Playing it safe imo is miles better then being hired and then being told there is nothing for you goodbye weeks later, whats the point? Exposure?
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Post by knightboat on Jul 1, 2011 0:05:34 GMT -5
What's the status dealing with the other thread saying only Claudio is signed? Are they both signed or is only one of them signed?
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Post by Burst on Jul 1, 2011 0:06:01 GMT -5
Try dozens Scotty Goldmans and Kavals. If anything Punk and DB are the very rare exceptions. Daniel Bryan, unknowingly or not, has significant influence backstage thanks to his connections with Shawn Michaels and William Regal. CM Punk was fortunate in that he was scouted by Paul Heyman and protected by him when he first arrived. THIS, Playing it safe imo is miles better then being hired and then being told there is nothing for you goodbye weeks later, whats the point? Exposure? The chance that it might actually work? If you never try, you'll never know. And it's not as if Low Ki's or Cabana's indy cred is damaged in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 0:09:42 GMT -5
Try dozens Scotty Goldmans and Kavals. If anything Punk and DB are the very rare exceptions. Daniel Bryan, unknowingly or not, has significant influence backstage thanks to his connections with Shawn Michaels and William Regal. CM Punk was fortunate in that he was scouted by Paul Heyman and protected by him when he first arrived. THIS, Playing it safe imo is miles better then being hired and then being told there is nothing for you goodbye weeks later, whats the point? Exposure? Yeah, screw potentially making money! And everyone knows once you leave the indies you can never ever go back to them ever again forever!
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Post by r. on Jul 1, 2011 0:12:42 GMT -5
THIS, Playing it safe imo is miles better then being hired and then being told there is nothing for you goodbye weeks later, whats the point? Exposure? The chance that it might actually work? If you never try, you'll never know. And it's not as if Low Ki's or Cabana's indy cred is damaged in the least. Thing is they have tried, and failed, Vince has shown he is not keen one wrestlers not created in FCW (3 exceptions being, daniels,punk(who is leaving I might add) and cara. If they get somewhere I'll be happy to eat my words, I just don;t expect the soon to be broken up tag team of Hanz Freidman and Layton Kreggins to be lighting a fire in the wwe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 0:12:47 GMT -5
THIS, Playing it safe imo is miles better then being hired and then being told there is nothing for you goodbye weeks later, whats the point? Exposure? Yeah, screw potentially making money! And everyone knows once you leave the indies you can never ever go back to them ever again forever! It's true. As soon as you join the WWE you have to turn in your indy card (It's a big yellow card that actually says the word INDY on it which you present before being booked for any indy matches). Without that card, you're not allowed to wrestle.
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Post by wrestlinggod13 on Jul 1, 2011 0:13:54 GMT -5
What's the status dealing with the other thread saying only Claudio is signed? Are they both signed or is only one of them signed? I'm not sure, but it is worth noting that only Hero has signed on for more ROH dates. Perhaps WWE decided to sign Claudio but not Hero.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 0:19:43 GMT -5
Yeah, screw potentially making money! And everyone knows once you leave the indies you can never ever go back to them ever again forever! It's true. As soon as you join the WWE you have to turn in your indy card (It's a big yellow card that actually says the word INDY on it which you present before being booked for any indy matches). Without that card, you're not allowed to wrestle. Yep. Mike Quackenbush keeps all of them in his wallet, actually, and he burns it when one gets released
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 0:33:24 GMT -5
So these indy guys are supposed to stay in the indy's making less money, probably not getting any in ring injuries paid for, wrestling in front of smaller crowds, and having accomplished everything?
The fact is that all staying around does is diminish their value. Eventually, they won't be as big a draw as they were at their peak, and there will be the hot new indy gods, that become top draws and get top dollar.
You have to get the money and exposure while you can.
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Post by kamotengkahoy on Jul 1, 2011 0:45:36 GMT -5
another tag team broken up lol
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Post by jrcz on Jul 1, 2011 0:46:30 GMT -5
It's true. As soon as you join the WWE you have to turn in your indy card (It's a big yellow card that actually says the word INDY on it which you present before being booked for any indy matches). Without that card, you're not allowed to wrestle. Yep. Mike Quackenbush keeps all of them in his wallet, actually, and he burns it when one gets released I actually wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 0:46:55 GMT -5
why wouldnt they wanna go to the WWE if given the opportunity? haha. It's almost asinine. Sure, you MIGHT fail, but you also might not. Whats the point of not taking chances? Whats the point of being in this business if youre not gonna have at least a little bit of ambition. It only makes sense...You cant keep having 60 minute iron man matches every night where you're taking tiger suplexes off the ring apron. The WWE road schedule is tough, but at least youre not killing yourself in the ring every night, AND your getting steady pay, AND your getting some kind of actual medical expenses (i'm pretty sure anyway, I don't know the specifics).
I mean, yeah, a bunch of indy guys have failed, but a bunch of non indy guys have failed too which people tend to forget just because nobody cared about them before. For every Brent Albright that fails theres a Bam Neely. Comparing one guys future success to another guys past failure is stupid.
I just love the pessimism of the internet, that we don't even know if they've signed a CONTRACT yet and some are already assuming theyre gonna fail. Ya know what, maybe they will. But they are far better rounded overall than all the other past indy 'failures' to come before them, so I'd say they got a far better shot than someone like Tyler Black does. (Plus Claudios European and they're big on Foreigners lately). And if they fail, eh. They can go back to RoH and get their streamers on their return and book themselves as "former WWE superstars!" on smaller indie shows and make a little bit more money. There is literally no downside to it.
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