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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 18, 2011 13:40:11 GMT -5
What made matches like Hogan/Warrior, Cena/Punk and Hogan/Rock great wasn't the wrestling, it was the psychology - it was the crowd reactions. That applies here. Rock could spend the whole match assaulting Cena with vicious smelling farts and it'd still be over. That's what'll make this match deliver.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 18, 2011 13:43:43 GMT -5
What made matches like Hogan/Warrior, Cena/Punk and Hogan/Rock great wasn't the wrestling, it was the psychology - it was the crowd reactions. That applies here. Rock could spend the whole match assaulting Cena with vicious smelling farts and it'd still be over. That's what'll make this match deliver. "Aah! Rock, cut it out!" "Uh-oh, Rocky'sfartscomingtogetcha! Rocky'sfartscomingtogetcha! Rocky'sfartscomingtogetcha!" *Cena eventually collapses and vomits* "Oh, at Wrestlemania, John?"
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Post by iocus on Aug 18, 2011 13:44:45 GMT -5
Putting Rock over Cena though business wise would make no sense though unless Rock came back full time and of course that won't happen. No way they put a move star wrestling only once over the top face of their company. Well I guess we'll just have to agree that we disagree. I don't think it'd harm business, Cena is similar to 00's Rock in that he has incredibly loyal fans and he can take a loss without losing any of his heat. I know that many people say it'd make the whole 2004-2011 era look incompetent if Cena lost, but I thnk that's only a conclusion some smarks would reach. Cena's fans are, mostly, casual fans children and women, they'd still see him as hero even if he would lose, his mechandise would still sell. If he wins the belt, they could have Rock lose on the next Raw and give someone else the rub, someone who isn't as over as Cena. Or Rock could giive it up and we'd have a tournament. But as I said, I'm not banking on the belt even being involved.
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Post by Throwback on Aug 18, 2011 13:45:03 GMT -5
I hear this a lot, but I personally don't agree with it being that obvious. Rock is a former wrestler, nowadays he's a celebrity, Vince loves celebrities, he always puts them over at Wrestlemania. I mean remember Jericho defeating 3 legends only to be punched out by Mickey Rourke? Remember the Raw special for Rock's birthday? The focus was on his celebrity status and his celebrity friends not on his wrestling accomplishments. So yes, I do think Rock will go over to please the Miami crowd, hence I don't think the championship will be involved. But even if it is involved, I'd still be more inclined to believe Rock will win. Putting Rock over Cena though business wise would make no sense though unless Rock came back full time and of course that won't happen. No way they put a move star wrestling only once over the top face of their company. I would love for it to happen and they maybe continue a fued but chances are they won't. I hate the whole obviousness of it thus why I can't really get into it. Its better to keep people on the edge of their seat and bring it to the realm of unpredictability. This is as predictable as the day is long wouldn't be the first time a celebrity who was never going to be in the ring again won at wrestlemania Are you saying that the Rock isn't in the same league as Snooki?
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Post by ohiofan1 on Aug 18, 2011 13:55:34 GMT -5
Putting Rock over Cena though business wise would make no sense though unless Rock came back full time and of course that won't happen. No way they put a move star wrestling only once over the top face of their company. I would love for it to happen and they maybe continue a fued but chances are they won't. I hate the whole obviousness of it thus why I can't really get into it. Its better to keep people on the edge of their seat and bring it to the realm of unpredictability. This is as predictable as the day is long wouldn't be the first time a celebrity who was never going to be in the ring again won at wrestlemania Are you saying that the Rock isn't in the same league as Snooki? None of the wrestlers the celebrities was the man/face of the company like Cena is.
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Post by iocus on Aug 18, 2011 14:02:20 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers the celebrities was the man/face of the company like Cena is. Yes, but that can be seen from a different perspective, namely that a top star like Cena can take a Mania loss without losing his credibility with his fans.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2011 14:02:48 GMT -5
Putting Rock over Cena wouldn't really hurt business; it just wouldn't make any sort of logical sense to do so. Not with the way the interaction between the characters has been going, not with the way the story's being built, not with the fact that one guy's been by far the face of the company for six year vs. one who hasn't been around for seven.
There's no real way to have Rock win to make any sorta sense.
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Post by dc09 on Aug 18, 2011 14:24:44 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on what makes a great wrestler, but while Rock and Cena can both go pretty well they always both seem to need a much more interesting in-ring wise opponent to get a truly great match (Austin is the only one that springs to mind for Rock, HBK and Punk for Cena) so I don't think it'll be a technical masterpiece, but I think it'll be an enjoyable brawl with some big moves and several near-falls, and the atmosphere will be absolutely electric for the entire thing, both are masters at playing off of the crowd.
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Post by foreveryoung on Aug 18, 2011 14:43:55 GMT -5
Putting Rock over Cena though business wise would make no sense though unless Rock came back full time and of course that won't happen. No way they put a move star wrestling only once over the top face of their company. I would love for it to happen and they maybe continue a fued but chances are they won't. I hate the whole obviousness of it thus why I can't really get into it. Its better to keep people on the edge of their seat and bring it to the realm of unpredictability. This is as predictable as the day is long wouldn't be the first time a celebrity who was never going to be in the ring again won at wrestlemania Are you saying that the Rock isn't in the same league as Snooki? Well yea.. But Cena is the flagship of the company.. Bigelow in 95 or Show when he faced Mayweather were pretty much DEAD career wise. Those guys losing at the time were pretty much no big deal. They were just midcarders really. They aren't going to do that to Cena nor really should they unless it meant a heel turn.. And WWE doesn't seem willing to do that or they would have a long time ago. .. Its one thing for a movie star go over a midcarder. But its another thing for them to go over the flagship of the company who is a full time wrestler and generating all the big money for merchandise for the kiddies. So yea.. it sucks.. No way Rock wins.. At least cleanly.. Unless he joined this corporate stable, or Cena goes nuts and turns heel. All of which, chances are will never happen
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 18, 2011 15:47:16 GMT -5
So everyone is assuming it will be a clean finish?
Surely the way to make Rock win without "hurting" Cena is to have a run in and then Cena can feud with whoever cost him the match.
Also I think a lot of you are overestimating how much damage a loss would be to Cena. He lost at this years Mania (thanks to interference obviously) but does anyone care about that now? It didn't exactly cement Miz in the main event either since now he's a sandwich salesman, so I don't think wins and losses matter THAT much sometimes.
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Post by HBL on Aug 18, 2011 15:49:19 GMT -5
Sure,it will.But I don't expect anything different from it,Rock will probably dominate with the huge pops created by his moves and Cena will get the win at the end.It looks to be just a moveset match,but I hope I'm wrong and different stuff can happen.
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Post by Throwback on Aug 18, 2011 22:59:55 GMT -5
wouldn't be the first time a celebrity who was never going to be in the ring again won at wrestlemania Are you saying that the Rock isn't in the same league as Snooki? Well yea.. But Cena is the flagship of the company.. actually the only time I can remember a celebrity being involved in a match at WM and not winning was the wm 2 nfl battle royal. Other than that every other time a celebrity got in the ring during WM, they won the match
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Post by BME on Aug 18, 2011 23:46:41 GMT -5
Yes it will.
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Post by slaughterama on Aug 18, 2011 23:58:17 GMT -5
I'd only worry about ring rust with Rock. It's one thing to be in great shape, it's another beast entirely to be in ring shape. I'm certain the guy still knows how to perform and work a crowd, but can he do it for 20 plus minutes?
On a side note... I really don't see this being for the title. It's Rock vs Cena, it sells itself. It doesn't need a title on the line to add to it. If anything, having the title on the line may actually hurt it. Add in Punk vs HHH/Austin? And Taker putting the streak on the line? You have three HUGE matches that can sell the show on their own. Add in the World Title and WWE Title match, and this card could be the most stacked they have ever had.
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Post by paulbearer on Aug 19, 2011 8:25:58 GMT -5
It will be like a dinner not properly cooked......edible but not great.
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Post by Snaptastic on Aug 19, 2011 9:28:40 GMT -5
I'd only worry about ring rust with Rock. It's one thing to be in great shape, it's another beast entirely to be in ring shape. I'm certain the guy still knows how to perform and work a crowd, but can he do it for 20 plus minutes? FWIW, Rock was reported to be doing a few untelevised matches here and there to shake off ring rust well before he returned in Feb.
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