Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 11, 2011 14:15:27 GMT -5
It's odd. For the longest time I was never an Austin fan, and couldn't understand how people didn't get tired of him stunning 20 men every show. But then he became Paranoid Austin (and he does not deserve this!), and I started to get him. I liked the character of the guy who knew his body was breaking down, and he might not be as good as he once was, and he knew that every last man on the roster was ready to strike back at him for all the things he'd done in his time raising hell on top.
So, I appreciate Austin just for his run as Paranoid Austin, though the bizarre post-InVasion double turn with Kurt Angle still annoys me...
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Post by Fantozzi on Apr 11, 2011 14:16:19 GMT -5
i agree with the time factor: in total he was a face main eventer for less than 3 years
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 11, 2011 14:17:21 GMT -5
It's odd. For the longest time I was never an Austin fan, and couldn't understand how people didn't get tired of him stunning 20 men every show. But then he became Paranoid Austin (and he does not deserve this!), and I started to get him. I liked the character of the guy who knew his body was breaking down, and he might not be as good as he once was, and he knew that every last man on the roster was ready to strike back at him for all the things he'd done in his time raising hell on top. So, I appreciate Austin just for his run as Paranoid Austin, though the bizarre post-InVasion double turn with Kurt Angle still annoys me... I've said it before and I'll say it again, heel Austin was extremely underrated. Though I agree the double turn was bullshit.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 11, 2011 14:24:09 GMT -5
well he did start to get a bit annoyuing and boring around the end. But... he hit the main event in 98... he took on year off for injury, came back, turned heel for 6 months, turned back took for 8 months during the "took his ball" period, came back, retired.
Only about 5 years in the main event, 2 or which he was injured or on sabbatical, and a rather amusing heel turn. Surprisingly kept himself from getting overexposed.
Oh and he was superman. Him and Rock would end almost every raw stunning 5 or 6 guys a night for like 2 years straight.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 11, 2011 14:29:13 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The Austin/McMahon feud was all about overcoming the odds. Hell, I never see anybody complain about Austin stunning burying the entire Corporate Ministry in one swoop, but is it really different than John Cena taking on a bunch of guys, and prevailing? Or when Austin beat Dude Love twice despite love having Vince (and stooges) in his pocket both times?
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Apr 11, 2011 16:25:18 GMT -5
Austin did get booed as face. There were several Raws near the end of 1999 (before he was taken out by getting run over) where he was booed. It's just that he left just before people would really start booing him. Also, Austin was protected more than Rock and Cena at times. I don't recall Austin ever being in a situation like Rock where he wrestled in another wrestler's hometown (WM XVII) or in the town where they first started (WMXVIII).
As for Austin not becoming a parody, look at his heel run in the beginning and when they turned him face near the end of 2001. The latter was worse because at that point WWE tried to act like it was still 1998. He had terrible feuds with Taker and Scott Hall and then he walked out and got arrested.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Apr 11, 2011 16:30:39 GMT -5
Because his character was different. A blue-collar rebel that kicked ass.
He was more an everyman and easier for the fans to relate to than Cena's Superman character that only kids/women seem to love and most males hate- the Rattlesnake was more relatable to some guys more than The Champ.
Cena appeals to kids- Stone Cold appealed to a lot of people.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Apr 11, 2011 18:10:50 GMT -5
I'll bet you money that if they follow through with Austin/Miz, the fans will be split. If not go pro-Miz. I like Austin, I really do. But Miz is getting over with the hardcore crowd very quickly, and Austin is just a blast from the past.
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Post by jadison on Apr 11, 2011 20:58:13 GMT -5
Watch Tough Enough. That's why.
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Post by lunataxc on Apr 11, 2011 21:19:23 GMT -5
Because he never pandered to the fans thats why.
His character didn't give a damn if the audience cheered him or not.
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Post by diegorivera on Apr 11, 2011 22:34:41 GMT -5
Austin succeeded because of the heel he worked against; Vince McMahon. Post Montreal, Vince was the most hated man in wrestling on all fronts and seeing Austin confront and attack him, even as a work was satisfying to fans on every level. Best of all, whatever scheme Vince concocted, however he stacked the deck, fans loved Austin for overcoming it because they so hated Vince.
What fails when Cena does this is that his opponents pose no threat to him besides a physical one. The whole, "overcoming the odds," bit with Cena seems like a parody compared to what McMahon did to Austin, so much to the point that opponents like Miz are cheered for overcoming Cena, (ironically, this is why Cena may not need to turn heel, he's already the biggest heel the WWE has ever had as far as the IWC is concerned, constantly winning and pandering to what is basically a replacement audience. He's like an inverted Ric Flair minus a whole lot of the talent.)
Back to Stone Cold; by the time he made his heel turn, fans just loved his act too much to boo him. Rock may cut the best promos in the business, but he can't compete with Austin guzzling beers, riding around with reckless abandon and stunning people at random. The whole bit is crazy fun and audiences will always eat it up. I believe that's one reason fans turned on Rock but have almost always cheered Austin; Rock talks a good game, Austin just goes out and kicks ass. It's total, "Popeye," appeal. Nearly everyone enjoys an ass kicker.
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Post by showster22 on Apr 14, 2011 1:52:09 GMT -5
don't get the rock hate on this thred. For god sakes the man jones to lance storm on Raw and I haven't heard any negitive stories about the rock from a politic stand point. Plus he would lose in fueds same if not more so then Austin.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Apr 14, 2011 2:00:51 GMT -5
don't get the rock hate on this thred. For god sakes the man jones to lance storm on Raw and I haven't heard any negitive stories about the rock from a politic stand point. Plus he would lose in fueds same if not more so then Austin. Eh. Ignore the Rock hate. Haters gonna hate (I, myself, do more than my fair share on HHH). I never turned on Austin because I met him once and somehow was overcome with the creeping fear that a vicious stunner was imminent. It's a fear that sticks with me today. Kinda like with Bill Watts back in the day. ;D
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Post by ihuntthereforiam on Apr 14, 2011 2:03:01 GMT -5
Also let's not forget who Austin , Rock and Hogan Faced.
People liked Taker and Jake and Macho Man and Flair and Piper and alot of the guys hogan beat down
People liked Goldberg and Kane and Taker and Big Show and Lesnar and alot of the guys the rock beat down
People like Daniel Bryan and Edge and Kane and Big Show and HBK and alot of the guys cena beat down
No one liked guys like HHH and Vince Mcmahon who were Austin's main rivals....Sure he beat up mankind and kane and taker and rock a couple of times but never the way The Rock or Hogan or Cena did
I mean when
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Post by ToyfareMark on Apr 14, 2011 6:07:13 GMT -5
Fairly frequent breaks for injury kept him surprisingly fresh. That, and he never turned into a cartoon version of himself like Rock or Cena did. I don't know, I'd say 1998-2000 Austin was a cartoon version of 1997 Austin. This. I couldn't stand pandering Stone Cold.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 9:15:29 GMT -5
Stone Cold Steve Austin did what everybody watching only wished they could do: give their boss the finger, then kick them in the stomach and stun them a couple of times for good measure.
Steve is a very likable character because he's not trying to be something he's isn't. He's just himself and he doesn't BS you. "Whether you got me against a 'good guy' and the people boo the hell out of me, or you have me against a 'bad guy', it don't make a damn!" He wears the camouflage and drinks beer because he loves to hunt & fish and have a good time.
John Cena, the Rock, they just don't seem very genuine as compared to Steve Austin. I'm not saying they aren't themselves, but they seem more like characters of themselves instead of the real deal. I can just picture John Cena or the Rock going home and shelving the whole "act" they portray in the ring.
Austin, OTOH, is like his character all the time. And we like that.
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Post by nWoElite on Apr 14, 2011 9:41:15 GMT -5
There’s also the way he got over in the first place, he worked his way up and was allowed to improvise and develop naturally. As a result it almost seemed like the fans chose him so there’s a stronger bond. In contrast the Rock and Cena were both pushed despite huge negative reactions. Have to disagree with you there. People actually had a bond with Rock, especially after his Summer Slam ladder match with HHH for the IC belt. As a heel in the Corporation there was still something to like about the guy even tho you hated him. Technically, love or hate, a bond is a bond. As for Cena not working his way up, lets see.... 1) Slaps Vince to "Make an Impact" 2) Slams Big Show.... Twice 3) The whole 'Word Life" gimmick 4) Feud with JBL (who IMO I couldn't have dreamed of making a champion, but hey, he turned out to be a top notch) How, he does need something fresh, every top face since the 90's has done a heel turn at least once as a main eventer. Some may not work out, but if thats the case at least you tried. I've only seen Austin get boos twice. Once at WMX-7 when it was a mix of Rock and Austin fans and during the Invasion angle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 9:43:12 GMT -5
I personally did think Austin got stale. In 97 he was completely insane and all his promos were different.
By 98 when he won the title, he began to rely on catch phrases and doing silly stuff like driving a zamboni to the ring and other stuff that to me seemed force.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 14, 2011 12:00:10 GMT -5
Saying that Austin jobbed more than Rock is ridiculous. Rock lost all the f'ing time. Austin hardly ever jobbed, unless it was by screwjob. Mankind got a clean win over Austin in Summer of 1999 and he was basically the first guy to do that in about a year. Rock used to lose clean to anyone and everyone and he never lost any momentum for that.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 14, 2011 14:50:06 GMT -5
injuries insured that he was absent for significant periods so fans didn't get sick of him. And of course he turned during part of his time as top guy, it was a shorter period and he had more people close to his role as top face than anyone else. This sounds like a valid reason.
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