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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 28, 2011 18:41:19 GMT -5
I was just thinking of how amazing the whole thing was Title vs Title etc... but did having it title vs title kinda give away who would win in retrospect? Hogan winning clean and getting the IC belt would do nothing for him, the title, or Warrior.. so it seems like it would have been a foregone conclusion that it was to be Warrior's breakthrough moment. Discuss.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 28, 2011 18:47:47 GMT -5
I was just thinking of how amazing the whole thing was Title vs Title etc... but did having it title vs title kinda give away who would win in retrospect? Hogan winning clean and getting the IC belt would do nothing for him, the title, or Warrior.. so it seems like it would have been a foregone conclusion that it was to be Warrior's breakthrough moment. Discuss. I imagine they would have just had Hogan vacate it, since Warrior did that himself.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 28, 2011 18:50:16 GMT -5
That's a good question, but given that it was 1990, I don't think so. The novelty of a title vs. title match, along with the novelty of a face vs. face match, gave it a big air of unpredictability, and, geez, it was HOGAN, at Wrestlemania, no less. We joke about Cena always winning, but Hogan in his prime couldn't lose in a spot like this, it was unimaginable (and I mean that in a GOOD way).
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 28, 2011 18:51:06 GMT -5
I was just thinking of how amazing the whole thing was Title vs Title etc... but did having it title vs title kinda give away who would win in retrospect? Hogan winning clean and getting the IC belt would do nothing for him, the title, or Warrior.. so it seems like it would have been a foregone conclusion that it was to be Warrior's breakthrough moment. Discuss. I imagine they would have just had Hogan vacate it, since Warrior did that himself. Exactly, so all that happens in that scenario is Warrior (the hot, mega over up and comer) gets boned, and loses his belt, which is immediately vacated by Hogan, thereby helping no one.
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Post by The Ichi on May 28, 2011 18:53:30 GMT -5
The IC Title didn't seem miles below the World Title in prestige in those days, bare in mind.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 28, 2011 19:00:15 GMT -5
The IC Title didn't seem miles below the World Title in prestige in those days, bare in mind. Ehhh, didn't Warrior win it from Honkytonk? It wasn't exactly making him the number two guy before Warrior nabbed it.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on May 28, 2011 19:13:19 GMT -5
I remember this clearly that back in the day, at least in my circle, NOBODY knew who was going to win. We all wanted Warrior to win, we were pretty sick of Hogan by that point, but were very unsure whether or not he could really do it. When Warrior beat Hogan it was a huge deal. We were all ecstatic. Whether or not this had to do with us being total marks or that the feud was built up perfectly is debatable, but believe me this match was THE topic among the wrestling crowd at the time in my neighborhood.
And yes, the IC title at the time was a legit belt. Honky Tonk was considered a real threat, even though he was a cowardly heel he was still taken seriously. Rick Rude's stock went way up when he had the belt. And Warrior's popularity skyrocketed when he won it twice (and turned the strap yellow, which I loved). The IC belt didn't start to lose it's prestige until HBK forfeited to Dean Douglas cuz he got beat up in a parking lot.
BTW, I watched this match again recently and it still holds up. That's remarkable all things considering.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 28, 2011 21:44:09 GMT -5
Another thing that kind of bugs me is that they just couldn't 100% put Warrior over clean... the ref bump and Hogan making a 3 count on him is kinda messed up when you think of it.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on May 28, 2011 22:25:02 GMT -5
Another thing that kind of bugs me is that they just couldn't 100% put Warrior over clean... the ref bump and Hogan making a 3 count on him is kinda messed up when you think of it. Hogan was the biggest star by at mile, ever, at that point, so it makes sense to give him an out. He still needed to be a draw, after all
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Post by dunzo on May 28, 2011 22:46:52 GMT -5
Another thing that kind of bugs me is that they just couldn't 100% put Warrior over clean... the ref bump and Hogan making a 3 count on him is kinda messed up when you think of it. And Hogans knee was gone, bruther!
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on May 28, 2011 23:12:55 GMT -5
Another thing that kind of bugs me is that they just couldn't 100% put Warrior over clean... the ref bump and Hogan making a 3 count on him is kinda messed up when you think of it. And Hogans knee was gone, bruther! I thought that was weird too. It's the one part of the match where you can feel the crowd start to die a little bit but then he goes right back to the match like nothing happened.
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Post by Professor Chaos on May 28, 2011 23:41:07 GMT -5
At 11 years old and just starting to realize wrestling was fake, I knew Warrior had to win since it was title vs. title.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 29, 2011 2:31:51 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself and those I knew, but most of us weren't excited for the match because the IC belt was involved in any way. It was Hogan vs. Warrior. That was all we cared about.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 29, 2011 3:12:19 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself and those I knew, but most of us weren't excited for the match because the IC belt was involved in any way. It was Hogan vs. Warrior. That was all we cared about. Which is why the title vs title provision seems tacked on.... I was a huge Warrior mark at the time, was all about him becoming champ.
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Post by CaptainFall on May 29, 2011 3:38:01 GMT -5
Another thing that kind of bugs me is that they just couldn't 100% put Warrior over clean... the ref bump and Hogan making a 3 count on him is kinda messed up when you think of it. The same with Warrior though when he got a 3 count when the ref was down. I liked that bit as it showed how even they both were. If you just had a straightforward match where nothing unusual happens and Warrior pins him to win it would be nowhere near as dramatic as it was. The title vs title thing added something to it and it made the match seem cooler even though it wasn't really about the belts, it was about someone defeating Hogan in a Wrestlemania main event no less.
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Post by hassanchop on May 29, 2011 3:55:30 GMT -5
Speaking of Warrior vs Hogan:
Warrior telling Hulk Hogan that Karma(Not Kharma) is Coming to Collect.
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Post by Jiren on May 29, 2011 6:16:37 GMT -5
Speaking of Warrior vs Hogan: Warrior telling Hulk Hogan that Karma(Not Kharma) is Coming to Collect. What's Warrior doing in the Impact zone
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Post by The Ichi on May 29, 2011 6:43:41 GMT -5
Speaking of Warrior vs Hogan: Warrior telling Hulk Hogan that Karma(Not Kharma) is Coming to Collect. I legitimately cannot figure this man out. Maybe that's how he wants it.
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Post by OzzyMandez on May 29, 2011 7:04:28 GMT -5
Speaking of Warrior vs Hogan: Warrior telling Hulk Hogan that Karma(Not Kharma) is Coming to Collect. Am I the only person who saw that and expected him to go full-on Warrior and start shouting and scronking during that speech about Hogan?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 8:17:23 GMT -5
The IC Title didn't seem miles below the World Title in prestige in those days, bare in mind. Ehhh, didn't Warrior win it from Honkytonk? It wasn't exactly making him the number two guy before Warrior nabbed it. He lost it to Rick Rude the year before, so he was in his 2nd reign. Myself, it was a great main event because there was the sense of "doubt". Can Hogan win? Can Warrior win? The answer to both is yes.
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