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Post by Savage Gambino on Jun 30, 2011 22:50:42 GMT -5
Its not so much a "get to" situation as it is a situation where marketing exclusively to men is no longer as profitable. Most cable networks have stopped providing niche content in order to cast a wider net toward as broad an audience as possible. This is why AMC started showing original dramas in addition to classic movies and why Bravo turned from a high-brow culture network to a haven for reality shows. By moving away from the "frat boy' demographic they make themselves more attractive to advertisers. So Man-sers (a horrible guilty pleasure at best) might be on the way out, but more reality shows that have universal appeal will take their place. Yea but again network for women are not that profitable either. Those are niche channels to begin with, they are lying to themselves if they think they're going be blockbuster successes beyond what they are usualy selling. I wish there was a network for guys with the same dedication for original drama as the CW Network does for girls. And therein lies the problem. When they make a channel marketed towards women, they generally make it multi-faceted: drama, comedy, reality, something for everybody. Spike TV didn't do that; they went for obnoxiously stereotypical testosterone poisoning. It's like the TV execs totally threw the success of male-themed shows like Mad Men out the window and just said "Hey, they're knuckle-draggers, let's give 'em boobs and violence! That'll entertain the f***ers!"
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Post by clashofchampains on Jun 30, 2011 23:00:57 GMT -5
I wish there was a network for guys with the same dedication for original drama as the CW Network does for girls. After this season, the CW won't be the network for girls anymore. Dawn Ostroff is out, so they'll rebrand as a network that tries to appeal to males and females. That's great, hopefully we won't have Gossip Guys. ;D But CW and the WB Network have had a model that has worked for a long time cattering to girls. Even shows like Smallville and Buffy it was genre shows that usual attract guys but they had a feminine sensibility and the casting was geared toward girls, hiring non-actor hunks. And this sort of approach was even translate to Hollywood, WB/CW were always very influencial in pop culture. Sort of like ECW has been in wrestling: A niche thing that everybody wants to rip-off.
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Post by Cela on Jun 30, 2011 23:09:22 GMT -5
I don't want to watch TV to learn how to be a better man, I want to watch people punch each other for 6 hours every saturday.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jun 30, 2011 23:18:14 GMT -5
I don't want to watch TV to learn how to be a better man, I want to watch people punch each other for 6 hours every saturday. Let's not forget the weekly Star Wars Marathons..... Just because you CAN show them at every major long weekend doesn't mean you SHOULD.
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Post by joebob27 on Jun 30, 2011 23:28:53 GMT -5
I demand a crossover between AUCTION HUNTERS and IMPACT WRESTLING that stars Matt Hardy, Orlando Jordan & Kurt Angle. That's easy. Orlando Jordan and Kurt Angle go halfsies on a storage unit, and find out Matt Hardy's living in it.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jul 1, 2011 0:27:11 GMT -5
Hopefully Spike will also work out a better time slot for GameTrailers TV with Geoff Keighley. Having it on at 1am on Thursday night (Friday morning) after reruns of MANswers is ridiculous.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Jul 1, 2011 1:00:39 GMT -5
But.. but I like Knockout Potty-Mouth...
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 1, 2011 2:07:52 GMT -5
Yea but again network for women are not that profitable either. Those are niche channels to begin with, they are lying to themselves if they think they're going be blockbuster successes beyond what they are usualy selling. I wish there was a network for guys with the same dedication for original drama as the CW Network does for girls. And therein lies the problem. When they make a channel marketed towards women, they generally make it multi-faceted: drama, comedy, reality, something for everybody. Spike TV didn't do that; they went for obnoxiously stereotypical testosterone poisoning. It's like the TV execs totally threw the success of male-themed shows like Mad Men out the window and just said "Hey, they're knuckle-draggers, let's give 'em boobs and violence! That'll entertain the f***ers!" Yea it's like the people that came up with Spike either don't understand men or didn't have a lot of respect for the male specie. I mean a Thousand ways to die? Some of those things are funny but ultimately it's just sick. And then there's Jail? Coal? What is that? It's depressing more than anything. Ultimately though it's that they wanted to deliver cheap entertainment, doing cheap shows that don't cost a lot of money instead of investing and delivering quality shows. Spike has been trash tv. No wonder they tolerated TNA for so long. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 2:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by crabnebula on Jul 1, 2011 2:33:46 GMT -5
TBS used to be the ultimate men's network. They had The Andy Griffith Show, Matlock, Perry Mason, In the Heat of the Night, The Beverly Hillbillies, All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Atlanta Braves Baseball, Atlanta Hawks basketball, Charles Bronson movies, Clint Eastwood movies, Clark Gable movies, WW2 movies, NWA/WCW Saturday Night, and a ton other old-school male centered shows. I miss those days.
Watching TBS on a beat up, old, colored television set with my dad.
Spike t.v. is television for morons, not men. Still, they don't need a 'feminist' agenda makeover that will result in a bunch of poor attempts at what AMC and FX an USA do so well or the crappy reality 'drama' shows that plague every other cable channel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 3:31:26 GMT -5
So long as they don't remove Striperella from their list of available shows to download on the 360, I'm okay with this. No way I'd buy it, but I like to know it's there. I liked Stripperella I've never watched it, but I like to know that a monument to it exists.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 1, 2011 4:04:18 GMT -5
I don't think it'll affect Impact much, but that press conference sounds really embarrassing stuff. In its own way it's pandering and patronizing to women just as much as the "guns and boobs!" approach to men before.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 1, 2011 17:40:06 GMT -5
TBS used to be the ultimate men's network. They had The Andy Griffith Show, Matlock, Perry Mason, In the Heat of the Night, The Beverly Hillbillies, All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Atlanta Braves Baseball, Atlanta Hawks basketball, Charles Bronson movies, Clint Eastwood movies, Clark Gable movies, WW2 movies, NWA/WCW Saturday Night, and a ton other old-school male centered shows. I miss those days. Watching TBS on a beat up, old, colored television set with my dad. Spike t.v. is television for morons, not men. Still, they don't need a 'feminist' agenda makeover that will result in a bunch of poor attempts at what AMC and FX an USA do so well or the crappy reality 'drama' shows that plague every other cable channel. Turner needs to buy TBS back.
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Post by thedougfitz on Jul 1, 2011 17:54:55 GMT -5
If TNA loses the Spike deal they are not going to find success in terms of getting on a good network. It could cripple them. I don't think they'll be removed though.
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Post by crabnebula on Jul 2, 2011 6:37:32 GMT -5
TBS used to be the ultimate men's network. They had The Andy Griffith Show, Matlock, Perry Mason, In the Heat of the Night, The Beverly Hillbillies, All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Atlanta Braves Baseball, Atlanta Hawks basketball, Charles Bronson movies, Clint Eastwood movies, Clark Gable movies, WW2 movies, NWA/WCW Saturday Night, and a ton other old-school male centered shows. I miss those days. Watching TBS on a beat up, old, colored television set with my dad. Spike t.v. is television for morons, not men. Still, they don't need a 'feminist' agenda makeover that will result in a bunch of poor attempts at what AMC and FX an USA do so well or the crappy reality 'drama' shows that plague every other cable channel. Turner needs to buy TBS back. I wish he would too. Sad to think of that generation fading away. Cable has changed so much from back then. It just has this sheen (and I don't mean Charlie) that's really unbelievable. Give me back the old Sci-Fi network with its old-school B movies, not obvious attempts at them. Give me old school Disney and Nickelodeon. Give me old school USA network with The Toxic Avenger, Duckman, and USA UP ALL NITE and less shows like their prime time shows now. Give me Kids in the Hall and those kind of shows all night on Comedy Central instead of two dozen repeats of Colbert and Jon Stewart. Give me Monster Vision with Joe Bob Briggs on TNT. Give me Headbangers Ball and 120 minutes or Liquid Television on regular MTV. Give me skinemax! and everything else that made cable in the 80s and 90s worth having and a much lower price. Enough of me waxing nostalgically.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 2, 2011 11:17:24 GMT -5
Spike t.v. is television for morons, not men. Still, they don't need a 'feminist' agenda makeover that will result in a bunch of poor attempts at what AMC and FX an USA do so well or the crappy reality 'drama' shows that plague every other cable channel. I agree with you in that most of Spike TV's current programming is mind-bogglingly awful, but it doesn't sound like they're proposing anything close to feminism with their rebranding. It's probably just going to result in a few more shows that don't revolve around the lowest common denominator of boobs, booze, explosions and idiot humor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 11:25:41 GMT -5
I don't think it'll affect Impact much, but that press conference sounds really embarrassing stuff. In its own way it's pandering and patronizing to women just as much as the "guns and boobs!" approach to men before. Exactly. While I essentially never watched a show on Spike besides Impact Wrestling, if they wanted to appeal to a narrow gender-based demographic along basely stereotypical lines, that's fine. No worse than any of the "we love women who hate men" networks out there. But to act as if this is some grand scheme to nobilize the male species is pretty insulting (you're never going to see any of the female-centered networks claiming they are going to add Benny Hill to their lineup to teach women how to be better women). This sounds like a job for NO MA'AM. "Equip them to be better men"? Seriously, who cut his balls off and put them in a jar that he'd go out there and say that. I will not like this be no sold. Great Al Bundy/Married With Children reference my friend. ;D I've been recently going through my MWC collection, and I noticed one thing about the show that really is unappreciated, and that is they made fun of everyone with an even hand. It didn't go 11 seasons by accident.
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Post by smokey1980 on Jul 2, 2011 12:05:09 GMT -5
TBS used to be the ultimate men's network. They had The Andy Griffith Show, Matlock, Perry Mason, In the Heat of the Night, The Beverly Hillbillies, All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Atlanta Braves Baseball, Atlanta Hawks basketball, Charles Bronson movies, Clint Eastwood movies, Clark Gable movies, WW2 movies, NWA/WCW Saturday Night, and a ton other old-school male centered shows. I miss those days. Watching TBS on a beat up, old, colored television set with my dad. Spike t.v. is television for morons, not men. Still, they don't need a 'feminist' agenda makeover that will result in a bunch of poor attempts at what AMC and FX an USA do so well or the crappy reality 'drama' shows that plague every other cable channel. Word. Agreed 1000 percent. I miss the old TBS. I hate that AOL-Time Warner merger for about a million reasons. No more WCW, no old school TBS, Atlanta sports have suffered. Oh well, I'm going way off topic. But yeah, that's the kind of men's network we need, good old shows, maybe a couple of good current shows, some wrasslin', some sports. There ya go.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 2, 2011 18:50:18 GMT -5
Turner needs to buy TBS back. I wish he would too. Sad to think of that generation fading away. Cable has changed so much from back then. It just has this sheen (and I don't mean Charlie) that's really unbelievable. Give me back the old Sci-Fi network with its old-school B movies, not obvious attempts at them. Give me old school Disney and Nickelodeon. Give me old school USA network with The Toxic Avenger, Duckman, and USA UP ALL NITE and less shows like their prime time shows now. Give me Kids in the Hall and those kind of shows all night on Comedy Central instead of two dozen repeats of Colbert and Jon Stewart. Give me Monster Vision with Joe Bob Briggs on TNT. Give me Headbangers Ball and 120 minutes or Liquid Television on regular MTV. Give me skinemax! and everything else that made cable in the 80s and 90s worth having and a much lower price. Enough of me waxing nostalgically. It's like there are more networks, more channels yet less content, less creativity. In my opinion this change occured when corporation took over tv studios and tv network. It became the bottom line, given them less yet it's cheaper so the return are greater for niche network. Yet on the magor network they spend a lot of money but the content is rarely stellar, it's uninspired. A similar thing happened with movies when the corporation bought the movie houses. It went from people that knew how to do movies to greenlighting flicks by charts. The vampire trend works, do a few of those. Harry Potter is a success, do the same thing. I can't count all the children fantasy flicks Potter rip-offs I must have watched with my nephew and nieces, I'm maxed out on that front. lol I think the whole thing is just too safe, that's what it is, it's made to reach the biggest public possible and attract all the audiences and because of it probably do not satisfy any in a genuine way. People go see the latest summer super-hero blockbuster but do they really like them? Are they gonna remember them forever like the classics? I guess I went on on a rant too. ;D
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 2, 2011 18:57:27 GMT -5
I wish there was a network for guys with the same dedication for original drama as the CW Network does for girls. After this season, the CW won't be the network for girls anymore. Dawn Ostroff is out, so they'll rebrand as a network that tries to appeal to males and females. . BTW, there's a promo with a new show that's gonna appear on the CW with the brown hair girl from the OC. It's about a girl who returns to her hometown to put her life back together. Really feel like Felicity. Then again maybe it was the last of the shows that Ostroff greenlight. But it's doesn't give me hope about a change. CW would be a great place for genre shows like the modern Doctor Who and edgy shows like Nip/Tuck. In the style of those shows.
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