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Post by thegigolo on Mar 15, 2011 18:05:18 GMT -5
Wasn't that the match that also cut to softcore porn for a while for about half the country? ;D If TNA randomly spliced porn into their matches I'd probably watch more. As long as it's lesbian porn.
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Post by donners on Mar 15, 2011 18:19:36 GMT -5
Heres what I dont get.. How in the HELL would not of SOMEONE backstage not see hardy being all glazy eyed and messed up and not say something to someone? Explain this to me. It was obvious he was under the influence of something yet no one backstage stopped Hardy from going out there? I really think its because Jeff is ALWAYS glassy eyed and messed up. Its become an acceptable thing, Jeff being f***ed up isn't anything out of the ordinary anymore. I don't know this for sure but it seems logical to me. Perhaps they tried the same thing as they did a few months ago when he turned up "fatigued". They let him have a nap during the show and hoped he would be okay by the ME. That time he was, this time he wasn't...
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Post by alabastergrim on Mar 15, 2011 18:26:22 GMT -5
Maybe that earlier report was true though, the one that said that Jeff showed up very late. If that were the case, it's very possible no one had the chance to see that he was messed up. I'm actually inclined to believe that just because of the clear lack of planning at the end of the show. I know it's fun to rag on TNA for how inept they are or whatever, but I firmly believe that if they saw Jeff messed up earlier, MAYBE they'd try to let him wrestle, but they'd definitely have a backup plan, not just Bischoff running out and stammering and a ten minute clip package.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 15, 2011 20:21:54 GMT -5
If this match shows up on the dvd release, that should prove this is a work.
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Post by ratedXsuperstar on Mar 15, 2011 20:36:35 GMT -5
Maybe that earlier report was true though, the one that said that Jeff showed up very late. If that were the case, it's very possible no one had the chance to see that he was messed up. I'm actually inclined to believe that just because of the clear lack of planning at the end of the show. I know it's fun to rag on TNA for how inept they are or whatever, but I firmly believe that if they saw Jeff messed up earlier, MAYBE they'd try to let him wrestle, but they'd definitely have a backup plan, not just Bischoff running out and stammering and a ten minute clip package. I would think it would be wise to ALWAYS have a backup plan for the ME. I mean, what if one of the guys gets in a car wreck, or some other reason can't go. Unless the ME was a multi man match, you'd have to have some form of backup plan. Accidents can always happen, and I'd think it'd be good business to be ready if they do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 20:39:55 GMT -5
If this match shows up on the dvd release, that should prove this is a work. How do you figure that? Jeff won't be Benoit'ed out of existence.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:45:59 GMT -5
If this match shows up on the dvd release, that should prove this is a work. How are they going to cover that up?! Sting Vs. Hardy was all over the ads for it. I don't think there's any good way they could cover something up like that. I keep flashing back to when Scott Hall no-showed Turning Point, and they wisely inserted Eric Young into the match, even if Joe made a point to run down Hall at the same time. Again, they really should have taken that approach with this, shot Hardy out the backdoor, and put Anderson and RVD into the match. I really think if they knew soon enough that Hardy wouldn't be able to go, they could have easily altered the RVD/Anderson match to end it quick.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 15, 2011 21:38:31 GMT -5
Does this mean that Sting had 21 and Jeff had 22?
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Post by rydndirty on Mar 15, 2011 22:00:19 GMT -5
Does this mean that Sting had 21 and Jeff had 22? Sting wanted to play Blackjack, but Jeff had 2 of those too. Nice...
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 15, 2011 22:13:12 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy and TNA proved all their naysayers right on Sunday. Jeff prove he cannot control his demons. You would think after getting into a new work environment and starting a family would change him. Wrong. He did the same thing during his first TNA run, so it shouldn't be shocking he did it again. Fire his ass right now. Don't wait for WWE to pick up the tab for rehab. At least Jake Roberts and Scott Hall admit their addiction control them and struggle everyday to fight them. Jeff thinks everyone overreacting.
TNA should had came up with a plan B, C, or D. No way should a person mentally or physically impaired be sent out for a match. If fans are disappointed by the change of the card, so be it. TNA did solidify the stigma of being a haven for burnouts and druggies. What would happen if Sting didn't go for the flash pin? TNA's priority needs to be keeping a safe workplace. If you don't have the money for professional drug testing, buy a cheap home drug testing kit for CVS. You get test results in minutes. Because one day something really bad is going to happen and there won't be no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by Big fat failure turtle on Mar 15, 2011 22:28:15 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated.
During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?).
Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic.
To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here.
If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this?
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Post by corndog on Mar 15, 2011 23:10:49 GMT -5
First of all I agree, why would they allow him to go out in the first place. But considering what happened in the match it may have been a case of them not realizing how messed up he was until he got out there. I had a friend with pill problems and he would be fine one minute, then you would look back at him and he would be passing out or would become completely out of it.
I also wonder if the reason they stopped the match is because he was facing Sting and Sting made it clear he wasn't going to wrestle Hardy if he was under the influence. From some of the stories I have heard with TNA, I wouldn't put it past them to allow Hardy to wrestle under the influence with lower card wrestlers or even most guys that weren't at Sting's level of stardom. I don't believe this is the first time Hardy has wrestled high in TNA.
I am betting Hardy is feeling pretty stupid right now and maybe this was the wake up call he needed to get his life straightened out, although several incidents in the past should have done the same. Luckily no one got hurt and the match never happened. This could be the end of Hardy's career in TNA, but if it's not I am sure he will be on a tight leash. Unless TNA really is that blind with greed.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Mar 15, 2011 23:25:13 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated. During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?). Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic. To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here. If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this? Very observant, and things like that are the reason why there's no possible way it's a work. They're never that thorough.
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Post by abundantchoice on Mar 15, 2011 23:38:39 GMT -5
Another thing, given Hardy's strange walk down, tripping on the stairs, and limping around a bit;
it's possible that he's got a leg injury, and popped some painkillers a bit before the match, and maybe screwed up the dosage, or took the wrong pills or whatever, and thus led to his meltdown and the last second shenanigans. It might explain why they let him go out in the first place, etc, he might have legitimately been fine until a minute or two before heading out, then the pills kicked in. And it wasn't obvious just how gone he was until he had to move around alot.
Is that what happened? Who knows? We'll probably never know.
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Post by knightboat on Mar 15, 2011 23:46:51 GMT -5
Not sure if this was mentioned or not but right before the announcements when the ref takes Sting's belt he says something to Sting and Sting says "Are you kidding me?"
I'm assuming the ref told him Jeff was in no condition to perform
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 15, 2011 23:48:39 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated. During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?). Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic. To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here. If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this? You know, for as much flack as TNA is getting for letting Hardy even get to the ring, reading these observations makes it clear how efficiently they did shut this thing down. At the very least TNA didn't let him wrestle a full match and put Sting and himself in any serious danger.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 15, 2011 23:50:22 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated. During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?). Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic. To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here. If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this? Great observations here, I re-watched the video after reading your post and you're dead on. The thing that's so telling to me is that on the original viewing I didn't think Jeff looked out of the ordinary, but after watching it again I realize that all his weird mannerisms are the kind of thing that someone drugged out of their mind would do also. Makes me wonder how many times he's been screwed up on television. Aside from the obvious reasons that Jeff shouldn't have been high/drunk/whatever before his match I've got to add...what kind of idiot would go on live PPV clearly on drugs while they're in the middle of a pending drug trial?
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Post by thegigolo on Mar 15, 2011 23:55:49 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated. During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?). Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic. To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here. If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this? Great observations here, I re-watched the video after reading your post and you're dead on. The thing that's so telling to me is that on the original viewing I didn't think Jeff looked out of the ordinary, but after watching it again I realize that all his weird mannerisms are the kind of thing that someone drugged out of their mind would do also. Makes me wonder how many times he's been screwed up on television. Aside from the obvious reasons that Jeff shouldn't have been high/drunk/whatever before his match I've got to add...what kind of idiot would go on live PPV clearly on drugs while they're in the middle of a pending drug trial? Like I said earlier, the courts probably won't use that in a trial, the judge, ect will probably see everything on camera of a wrestling show as "fake" and the defense could say that it was a work anyway, so I doubt they'd use that as any sort of evidence.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 16, 2011 0:17:46 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I've only read the first 12 pages of the original thread, and there was no mention, but it's relevant, and needs to be stated. During Jeff's entrance, you can see the ref staring at Jeff like a hawk and is talking to Borash. Borash then has a word with someone at ringside. Then, during Sting's entrance, the ref holds up his hands to make the X signal, and Jeff walks over to him and chest-bumps him. The ref makes the X signal again, and the next time we see him is during an aerial shot, and he is in the corner talking in someone's ear at ringside (SoCal Val?). Bischoff (imho) was clearly improvising. Poorly. And he definitely has words with both performers off-mic. To their credit, I think they did what they could to put on a match, but neither Brian Hebner nor Sting had any faith in Jeff's ability to to work. My personal opinions as to Jeff's physical state are unnecessary here. If this was a worked shoot, they were incredibly thorough (re: Brian Hebner pre-announcement). But with Hardy still facing drug-related criminal charges, why on earth would they do this? Very observant, and things like that are the reason why there's no possible way it's a work. They're never that thorough. If anyone's the hero of this, it's Hebner. Glad he made the call that Jeff wasn't in match shape, otherwise, this could have gotten uglier than it already has.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 16, 2011 0:21:14 GMT -5
Great observations here, I re-watched the video after reading your post and you're dead on. The thing that's so telling to me is that on the original viewing I didn't think Jeff looked out of the ordinary, but after watching it again I realize that all his weird mannerisms are the kind of thing that someone drugged out of their mind would do also. Makes me wonder how many times he's been screwed up on television. Aside from the obvious reasons that Jeff shouldn't have been high/drunk/whatever before his match I've got to add...what kind of idiot would go on live PPV clearly on drugs while they're in the middle of a pending drug trial? Like I said earlier, the courts probably won't use that in a trial, the judge, ect will probably see everything on camera of a wrestling show as "fake" and the defense could say that it was a work anyway, so I doubt they'd use that as any sort of evidence. The problem with claiming it's a work is if they subpoena someone, because if they lie then it becomes a whole other issue. I'd imagine the prosecution has someone watching Jeff's matches to see if they can ascertain if he is f***ed up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this gets brought up, the defense better prep to rebut this incident.
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