Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Mar 14, 2011 13:31:10 GMT -5
....As for why WWE gets less criticism, I'd venture to say it's largely because WWE doesn't really take chances; things are very by the book, rarely coloring outside the lines. I find it incredibly dull, but it also means less outright bad 'Crap, I guess...... This, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. WWE would NEVER be involved with half the bush league crap TNA is.
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 14, 2011 13:31:29 GMT -5
The thing that gets me when I read results here is how, even after all these years, TNA still insists on having almost no clean finishes, even in PPV matches. It's ok to have some outside interference now and then, but why all the freaking time? If you do it so one guy can keep his heat and keep a feud going, why not just not book a singles match, and instead do a tag match or stipulation match? Feuds need clean finishes at some point most of the time, no? As for why WWE gets less criticism, I'd venture to say it's largely because WWE doesn't really take chances; things are very by the book, rarely coloring outside the lines. I find it incredibly dull, but it also means less outright bad 'Crap, I guess. I don't really follow either company outside of what I read on the board, but from what I can gather, TNA is like watching a fiery ten car pileup on the parkway that spills over into the opposite lane, while WWE is like watching paint dry. Only the 1st 3 matches weren't clean(and the KO's match was just reversing a rollup), the other 5 were clean.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Mar 14, 2011 13:32:51 GMT -5
The thing that gets me when I read results here is how, even after all these years, TNA still insists on having almost no clean finishes, even in PPV matches. It's ok to have some outside interference now and then, but why all the freaking time? If you do it so one guy can keep his heat and keep a feud going, why not just not book a singles match, and instead do a tag match or stipulation match? Feuds need clean finishes at some point most of the time, no? As for why WWE gets less criticism, I'd venture to say it's largely because WWE doesn't really take chances; things are very by the book, rarely coloring outside the lines. I find it incredibly dull, but it also means less outright bad 'Crap, I guess. I don't really follow either company outside of what I read on the board, but from what I can gather, TNA is like watching a fiery ten car pileup on the parkway that spills over into the opposite lane, while WWE is like watching paint dry. Only the 1st 3 matches weren't clean(and the KO's match was just reversing a rollup), the other 5 were clean. Indeed, and that rollup reverse/pin lasted for like 30 seconds.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Mar 14, 2011 13:36:19 GMT -5
Only the 1st 3 matches weren't clean(and the KO's match was just reversing a rollup), the other 5 were clean. Indeed, and that rollup reverse/pin lasted for like 30 seconds. I blame it on a really old and slow ref.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 14, 2011 13:36:55 GMT -5
After last night I went from ambivalent towards TNA to actively wanting them to be shut down before someone gets killed in their ring.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:38:47 GMT -5
After last night I went from ambivalent towards TNA to actively wanting them to be shut down before someone gets killed in their ring. What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob.
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Post by Orange on Mar 14, 2011 13:40:39 GMT -5
After last night I went from ambivalent towards TNA to actively wanting them to be shut down before someone gets killed in their ring. What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Oh my God, THANK YOU!!!!!! People act like Sting was even going to allow anything to happen, Jeff was not going to f***ing kill Sting last night. Sting forced him into a move and held him down to force end the match, Jeff didn't and couldn't have even done anything.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 14, 2011 13:40:49 GMT -5
Indeed, and that rollup reverse/pin lasted for like 30 seconds. I blame it on a really old and slow ref. So.....Earl being Earl. ;D
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 14, 2011 13:58:24 GMT -5
What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Oh my God, THANK YOU!!!!!! People act like Sting was even going to allow anything to happen, Jeff was not going to f***ing kill Sting last night. Sting forced him into a move and held him down to force end the match, Jeff didn't and couldn't have even done anything. You say that, but Ken Anderson's concussion says hi. Fact is, if it wasn't Sting, it probably would have ended a lot differently.
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Post by Orange on Mar 14, 2011 14:04:11 GMT -5
Oh my God, THANK YOU!!!!!! People act like Sting was even going to allow anything to happen, Jeff was not going to f***ing kill Sting last night. Sting forced him into a move and held him down to force end the match, Jeff didn't and couldn't have even done anything. You say that, but Ken Anderson's concussion says hi. Fact is, if it wasn't Sting, it probably would have ended a lot differently. Was Hardy impaired when he was facing Anderson though? I can't remember if it was ever said, but if he wasn't than it was an accident, and a misplaced chair shot could happen to anybody.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 14, 2011 14:04:47 GMT -5
After last night I went from ambivalent towards TNA to actively wanting them to be shut down before someone gets killed in their ring. What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Because Sting was experienced enough to call for the ref to pull the plug. What if it'd been someone less experienced and too busy coming off the high of being the main event of a semi-high-profile PPV to notice Jeff was out of sorts and/or didn't want to ruin their 'big moment'? TNA is putting wrestlers in unnecessarily dangerous situations and needs to be stopped.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Mar 14, 2011 14:09:05 GMT -5
What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Oh my God, THANK YOU!!!!!! People act like Sting was even going to allow anything to happen, Jeff was not going to f***ing kill Sting last night. Sting forced him into a move and held him down to force end the match, Jeff didn't and couldn't have even done anything. I actually was thinking the same thing seeing him attempt to kick out the ref counting to three (it was a hebner too) and then seeing the look on Jeff's face afterwards.
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Post by hoffmeister on Mar 14, 2011 14:15:31 GMT -5
This has got people talking, well done TNA
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 14, 2011 14:18:29 GMT -5
This has got people talking, well done TNA Well done what? After this they're sure as hell not getting *my* money.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 14, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -5
This has got people talking, well done TNA This idea is ridiculous. You know what got people talking? The Nexus angle. If I'm running a company, that's what I want people to talk about. Giving the fans a quick finish for a main event, and potentially sending out a wrestler impaired. That's what I want people to talk about. If Jeff Hardy was to die tomorrow, like, would people be going, well, at least people are talking about TNA. I'm dumbfounded by that idea.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:27:06 GMT -5
What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Because Sting was experienced enough to call for the ref to pull the plug. What if it'd been someone less experienced and too busy coming off the high of being the main event of a semi-high-profile PPV to notice Jeff was out of sorts and/or didn't want to ruin their 'big moment'? TNA is putting wrestlers in unnecessarily dangerous situations and needs to be stopped. HAVE YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO? TNA makes the call NOT STING. Sting is taking orders the entire time. Can you fault TNA for giving Hardy the ball? Sure, but come on. Watch the video and the analysis points before you make some bizarre claim.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Mar 14, 2011 14:30:08 GMT -5
They should have just sent EY out there to challenge Sting for the "Unified" TNA title after the Hardy thing.
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Haha. What a story Mark.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Mar 14, 2011 14:35:09 GMT -5
I've never been won over by TNA. There is some good stuff there but the bad outweighs the good in my personal opinion. For the die hard TNA fans, even they have to admit its becoming hard to defend this crap week after week. People shouldn't pay their money and get THAT as the reward. I agree with you to a point although I think there are some things that TNA does much better than WWE. Backstage segments, tag teams, and the Knockouts Division. The knockouts division has been through some bad bumps in the last year but it was great not too long ago back when Kong was still there. It amazes me how much more criticism TNA gets than WWE. It think it has everything to do with the production value and the fact that WWE has been around sixty years longer. I've watched TNA since they started on Fox Sports Net in 2004 or 2005 and it has been hard to watch sometimes but I'd still put TNA now over TNA when they first started on Fox Sports Net where they had Dusty as the authority figure. You want to know how bad TNA was back then? They had the MEM Security guys as a serious tag team in a frat boys gimmick called Phi Delta Slam. Oh yeah it was that bad. You keep bringing it back to booking. It's not about booking it's about terrible businessmen running a terrible business and having no idea what they're doing. Say what you will about Vince and co. but they know how to run a wrestling company and I can guarantee you if any WWE performer showed up in that state they'd be told where to go (maybe not in the past but since 2005 they have tightened up the rules on drugs). TNA not only let Jeff Hardy keep showing up every week despite possibly ending up in prison but they give him the freaking world title and expect him to go out every month and not be off his face on drugs. This is twice now that it's happened and it makes TNA look ridiculously stupid and alienates its fans because god knows how many of the people who bought this show have been entirely turned off the product. Theres a reason TNA have never really had any success despite having huge names like Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle and Sting. Because they are an awful business with idiots in charge that don't give a flying f*** about the health of their employees. Jeff Hardy should be immediately fired from his position because he has had chance after chance after chance with both WWE and TNA and has screwed up every single time. He deserves rehab and should never work in the wrestling business again. But TNA won't do that because they're totally stubborn. And if it is a work TNA deserves to die because, like Jeff Hardy, no matter how many chances it gets it will always screw up.
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Post by dpg on Mar 14, 2011 14:48:00 GMT -5
I agree with you to a point although I think there are some things that TNA does much better than WWE. Backstage segments, tag teams, and the Knockouts Division. The knockouts division has been through some bad bumps in the last year but it was great not too long ago back when Kong was still there. It amazes me how much more criticism TNA gets than WWE. It think it has everything to do with the production value and the fact that WWE has been around sixty years longer. I've watched TNA since they started on Fox Sports Net in 2004 or 2005 and it has been hard to watch sometimes but I'd still put TNA now over TNA when they first started on Fox Sports Net where they had Dusty as the authority figure. You want to know how bad TNA was back then? They had the MEM Security guys as a serious tag team in a frat boys gimmick called Phi Delta Slam. Oh yeah it was that bad. You keep bringing it back to booking. It's not about booking it's about terrible businessmen running a terrible business and having no idea what they're doing. Say what you will about Vince and co. but they know how to run a wrestling company and I can guarantee you if any WWE performer showed up in that state they'd be told where to go (maybe not in the past but since 2005 they have tightened up the rules on drugs). TNA not only let Jeff Hardy keep showing up every week despite possibly ending up in prison but they give him the freaking world title and expect him to go out every month and not be off his face on drugs. This is twice now that it's happened and it makes TNA look ridiculously stupid and alienates its fans because god knows how many of the people who bought this show have been entirely turned off the product. Theres a reason TNA have never really had any success despite having huge names like Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle and Sting. Because they are an awful business with idiots in charge that don't give a flying f*** about the health of their employees. Jeff Hardy should be immediately fired from his position because he has had chance after chance after chance with both WWE and TNA and has screwed up every single time. He deserves rehab and should never work in the wrestling business again. But TNA won't do that because they're totally stubborn. And if it is a work TNA deserves to die because, like Jeff Hardy, no matter how many chances it gets it will always screw up. If TNA is such a bad business and ran so badly, why is it still here exactly? The rumours of massive losses stopped years ago, everyone agrees it pretty much either makes money or pays for itself. Yet its run by bad businessman? Not really logical is it.
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Haha. What a story Mark.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Mar 14, 2011 14:55:21 GMT -5
You keep bringing it back to booking. It's not about booking it's about terrible businessmen running a terrible business and having no idea what they're doing. Say what you will about Vince and co. but they know how to run a wrestling company and I can guarantee you if any WWE performer showed up in that state they'd be told where to go (maybe not in the past but since 2005 they have tightened up the rules on drugs). TNA not only let Jeff Hardy keep showing up every week despite possibly ending up in prison but they give him the freaking world title and expect him to go out every month and not be off his face on drugs. This is twice now that it's happened and it makes TNA look ridiculously stupid and alienates its fans because god knows how many of the people who bought this show have been entirely turned off the product. Theres a reason TNA have never really had any success despite having huge names like Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle and Sting. Because they are an awful business with idiots in charge that don't give a flying f*** about the health of their employees. Jeff Hardy should be immediately fired from his position because he has had chance after chance after chance with both WWE and TNA and has screwed up every single time. He deserves rehab and should never work in the wrestling business again. But TNA won't do that because they're totally stubborn. And if it is a work TNA deserves to die because, like Jeff Hardy, no matter how many chances it gets it will always screw up. If TNA is such a bad business and ran so badly, why is it still here exactly? The rumours of massive losses stopped years ago, everyone agrees it pretty much either makes money or pays for itself. Yet its run by bad businessman? Not really logical is it. TNA, being a private company doesn't publish its accounts so we have no idea what its financial situation is. The fact that it still exists is because it still, somehow has a small but loyal fanbase and are 71% funded by Dixie's dad and his Panda Energy company. Business has never actually boomed for TNA.
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