BigAl
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Post by BigAl on Mar 14, 2011 1:12:07 GMT -5
Maybe stagnant or redundant would be a better word. Madisons second reign is almost same as a JJ title reign. She seldomly defends it, when she puts the belt on the line, she wins via cheating, and most of the time she wrestles (and loses) in non title matches or in tag matches, (except recently by having former ko's job to her) and just makes the whole thing boring. She's had it waaaaaay to long.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 14, 2011 1:15:56 GMT -5
You see when people say TNA can do nothing right? Well often times they can't and stuff like this is what they mean. So they don't hotshot the belt onto Mickie. They have her go through Tara to get to Madison. Fair enough. Except when Mickie does get to Madison she's jobbed out repeatedly so that it's gotten to the point where no-one cares if Mickie wins the belt now.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 14, 2011 1:15:59 GMT -5
Maybe stagnant or redundant would be a better word. Madisons second reign is almost same as a JJ title reign. She seldomly defends it, when she puts the belt on the line, she wins via cheating, and most of the time she wrestles (and loses) in non title matches or in tag matches, (except recently by having former ko's job to her) and just makes the whole thing boring. She's had it waaaaaay to long. I'm more a fan of the long reigns, because they help build a title to importance, you know? But when those reigns come as a a result of just simply forgetting about the belts, that's when I have an issue. Like the WWE's midcard titles right now. BOTH entire factions of the Nexus and the Corre (minus their leaders who should be chasing the main belts) ought to be gunning for those midcard belts. But NO ONE is. Those belts are afterthoughts. I mean, TNA....I can't really say that their belts are in any sort of better position, really, but at least Madison's reign was consistent.
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BigAl
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Post by BigAl on Mar 14, 2011 2:01:04 GMT -5
You see when people say TNA can do nothing right? Well often times they can't and stuff like this is what they mean. So they don't hotshot the belt onto Mickie. They have her go through Tara to get to Madison. Fair enough. Except when Mickie does get to Madison she's jobbed out repeatedly so that it's gotten to the point where no-one cares if Mickie wins the belt now. this. Mickie should have gotten the belt in the last match she had with Madison. Her ,lsoing to some ridiculous cheat tactic just made the whole momentum of her finally winning die, shorta like Velvet finally getting a pin on Sarita.
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Post by CJ on Mar 14, 2011 2:36:12 GMT -5
Madison's a boring champion. Her matches have been good, but they're not really the highlights of the show like past KO matches have been
The KO division seems to be running in circles and can sometimes be boring
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 14, 2011 3:50:29 GMT -5
Well, technically, neither has a Women's division: they have a "Divas" and "Knockouts" division. Call me snippy, but as far as I can see, the two divisions are practically clones of each other. TNA, for whatever reason, didn't fight to keep the women who practically made the Knockouts division envious (Gail, Kong, etc.), while jobbing out and neglecting perfectly good talent (Daffney, Roxxi, Hamada), so that they could push TBP to the top, creating what we now know as the TBP division. Somehow, the WWE saw this and decided they liked it so much they wanted to pretty much carbon-copy it, so they went from neglecting their Divas, to "neglecting their Divas, all except for Laycool".
You know, when you step back and look at it like that, you wonder why women from the indies would want to work for either company...
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 14, 2011 4:06:34 GMT -5
Well, technically, neither has a Women's division: they have a "Divas" and "Knockouts" division. Call me snippy, but as far as I can see, the two divisions are practically clones of each other. TNA, for whatever reason, didn't fight to keep the women who practically made the Knockouts division envious (Gail, Kong, etc.), while jobbing out and neglecting perfectly good talent (Daffney, Roxxi, Hamada), so that they could push TBP to the top, creating what we now know as the TBP division. Somehow, the WWE saw this and decided they liked it so much they wanted to pretty much carbon-copy it, so they went from neglecting their Divas, to "neglecting their Divas, all except for Laycool". You know, when you step back and look at it like that, you wonder why women from the indies would want to work for either company... Well, in the case of the WWE, it IS a bigger paycheck, even though 90% of your time will be spent jobbing to Johnny Ace's "spank bank" of the month, IE some model who has a thousand percent less talent than you, and you have to carry to even a HORRID match.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 14, 2011 5:30:02 GMT -5
Some people may not like me saying this but I think most of the Knockout matches are not very long due to most of the knockouts not being all that good.
I know people like Velvet but she isn't exactly great in the ring. I would put her on about Kelly Kelly's level, maybe a little higher but not much.
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Post by clashofchampains on Mar 14, 2011 6:35:07 GMT -5
I say scratch the women division and concentrate all your efforts at bringing new male wrestlers for the X Division and take the opportunity to create a great tag division.
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Post by veldfire on Mar 14, 2011 7:05:55 GMT -5
Not that I'm disagreeing with the underlying message of the OP, as I don't. But if TNA were to eliminate everything it either mismanages into underperformance, didn't seem to care about, or doesn't have a handle on, there wouldn't be any TNA.
I'd much rather them improve the ko's divsion as opposed to jettison it (which isn't going to happen anyway .) Especially after tonight no explanation is needed as to why the main event isn't compelling. (And largely hasn't been since the new regime took over.) The X-Division has largely been boring since the days of AJ, Daniels, Joe, and Petey being featured in it. And the tag division is good when it focuses around the Guns and Beer Money. Otoh the rest of the duos aren't the type of performers that are going to compell anyone to become a TNA supporter.
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Post by thevillain on Mar 14, 2011 10:57:46 GMT -5
Now this disappointed and annoyed me more than anything in the KO division lately. This match had all of this build up and a story behind if of Velvet not being able to beat Sarita and having to put her career on the line to get this last match againgst her. Not only do they give it away for free on Impact but they give it only 2 minutes and even then they had a f***ing run in! Velvet finally beats Sarita and it is made to look like a fluke and completely meaningless. Especially with Jersey Shore crap that happened after the match that promo was longer than the match and Sarita no selling the lose to Velvet.
My question is why put Velvet through all of that if her finally beating Sarita is going to made to mean nothing. That was basically the most important match of Velvet's life putting up her career and they treated it like a joke. This is the main issue I have with how Velvet is booked in TNA they treat everything she does in the ring as unimportant. They only thing the sell her on is her entrance and you can't even enjoy that anymore because of Taz's stupid line.
Also to person who said you have to be a BP to get a Knockout title run. If that is the case why hasn't Velvet won it yet? Like it or she is a big part of that group and she hasn't been champion yet and she probably never will be. So I think that it is false to say you have to be a member of that group to receive a title run.
As for the topic I think the KO division could be solid again if they had better booking and writing behind them. Sadly I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by rdarkholme on Mar 14, 2011 11:58:36 GMT -5
Well once upon a time, they had a good Knockout division and I'd much rather they go back to that then eliminate it but I'm not expecting that to happen anytime soon.
They certainly don't have enough knockouts for a tag title and a singles title. Sarita and Rosita have the titles now but aside from the obligatory rematch with Angelina and Winter to continue that storyline what precisely are they going to do with them? Nada as they would say. There's noone for them to wrestle even if they wanted to do something with the titles anyway.
As for the match at the PPV, I'm still trying to figure out the horrible thing Velvet did that Angelina and Winter should be mad about. It seemed maybe right before the cover, Angelina and Velvet had some sort of interaction, but it wasn't hardly even in frame so God knows what it was supposed to be.
That not being bad enough they had an obvious much better finish: Velvet snatches belt from Rosita and tries to smack Rosita, Rosita ducks Velvet ends up clobbering Winter. Rosita tosses Velvet out of the ring (and into Angelina would be really good but just outside works) and gets the pin.
Velvet then would really have something to be sorry for and Angelina and Winter would really have something to be mad about.
Naturally that's why they didn't do it. You know TNA, sometimes the classics do work. That's how they became classics in the first place.
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