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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 24, 2011 18:04:19 GMT -5
I remember I started doing Spoilers To The Rescue for Ring The Bell on the Angry Marks Podcast Network and this was the debut show. That one opening segment took longer than it took for me to read out the entire spoilers. Also, I remember reading the spoilers to the opening segment and realizing this opening segment was going to be hell. I actually watched and timed how long that segment took, it took an unfathomable 42 minutes and I said that anyone who trashes Triple H for his twenty-somthing minutes promos needs to absolutely criticize this promo. And oddly enough, there were people who trashed the said HHH promos and was very positive about this 42 minute pain. Probably cause the 42 minute promo was only on that 1 show. Triple H and his long promos weren't just on one week or in sparse quantities, it was a frequent occurrence. Every show is judged on its own. So a 20 minute promo is a 20 minute promo despite it happening quite a few times. So I still stand by that there is no defending a 42 minute promo when you trash HHH's 20 minute promos.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 24, 2011 18:06:38 GMT -5
The HHH thing isn't relevant really; as just because one show does something negative, it doesn't excuse another show from doing the same thing.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 24, 2011 18:08:29 GMT -5
The HHH thing isn't relevant really; as just because one show does something negative, it doesn't excuse another show from doing the same thing. Agreed and I am not defending HHH's 20 minute promos as they were terrible. I just could never understand how one person trash one thing and then defend something else that was worse.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 24, 2011 18:09:36 GMT -5
Noted.
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Post by comahan on Feb 24, 2011 18:23:53 GMT -5
Just because you think its worse doesnt make it a fact that its worse. Where you think its worse, some could think its better. I dont mind either.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 24, 2011 20:03:11 GMT -5
I felt like they could've at least had more time for wrestling.
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Post by bob on Feb 24, 2011 20:10:26 GMT -5
where to begin....
there was no wrestling in the first hour
the first match was Tara literally laying down for Madison and Madison won the Knockout Belt
then there was about 10 total minutes of the girl from Jersey Shore
she participated in the worst cat fight in the history of the business with Cookie
Abyss took on Joe for about 5 minutes
in fact REACTION had more wrestling the impact
this was the Impact after Jeff Hardy turned heel and the showed gained its highest rating on Thursday night ever....the never ending promo killed the new found audience
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Post by clashofchampains on Feb 25, 2011 2:05:35 GMT -5
For the guys at the Impact Zone, I can understand their frustrations being there live and all but as a tv viewer I kind of liked it. It was the show just after BFG and after months of They storyline, they had to explain a lot of stuff. They had to do their big promo, they had to have Dixie being thrown out, etc...For one thing I knew what that show was going to be because it was posr BFG, after the big swerve. I was expecting a storyline-heavy show and it was just that.
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Post by golding on Feb 25, 2011 4:00:04 GMT -5
At the point where there's over an hour without wrestling on a two hour show, there is no defending it whatsoever. I recall big promo shows on RAW during the Attitude Era every once in a while as well. So long as it's not a regular occurrence, I simply don't see the big deal people make it out to be.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Feb 25, 2011 4:18:06 GMT -5
It was an episode that had more promo time than wrestling time. Per the standard approach of making mountains out of molehills, some people acted like it was some sort of atrocity that glorified survival. The rating of the show was 1.41. Dude if you're going to talk about the ratings of the show I highly suggest you look at the quarter hours. 1.53 1.52 1.41 1.42 1.43 1.35 1.37 1.23 Notice something? That's right - the audience was leaving. They left. And they didn't come back the next week, which got a 1.16. It's just being deceptive to say that the show got a 1.41 AVERAGE rating and to pretend that the rating indicates positive things about the show, when the truth is that the ratings very clearly show that people were put off by what they saw. The important thing about these numbers isn't the high average, it's the fact that they dropped so significantly. edit: and before I'm accused of being a "TNA hater" or "basher", I actually quite enjoy TNA, sometimes more than I enjoy WWE and in general I'm more of a TNA apologist. But I don't like to pretend that things are hunky dory and perfect and TNA has no flaws, and I definitely don't like it when people are deceptive with numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 4:29:33 GMT -5
But I don't like to pretend that things are hunky dory and perfect and TNA has no flaws, and I definitely don't like it when people are deceptive with numbers. The main problem I had with 10/14/10 was that they overbooked the story aspects and forgot about the wrestling. TNA Impact is a wrestling show, and there was more wrestling on Reaction, a show primarily dedicated to talking. That is a problem. Maybe I'm weird, but when I watch a wrestling show, I want to see wrestling.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 25, 2011 4:43:15 GMT -5
The stupid thing was that it only took them like ten minutes to cover the major points of the angle. Yet they still kep talking.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Feb 25, 2011 4:45:11 GMT -5
At the point where there's over an hour without wrestling on a two hour show, there is no defending it whatsoever. I recall big promo shows on RAW during the Attitude Era every once in a while as well. So long as it's not a regular occurrence, I simply don't see the big deal people make it out to be. I understand why people make a big deal out if it I think,and keep in mind I dont neccessarly agree with everyone on everything im about to say. I like some of the guys in tna. Basically it boils down to one thing,They want an alternative. See,youre right that wwe does that but...thats wwes thing. Thats the way they present their product. People want something thats different. And it's not always because they hate wwe and want this pure wrestling show,sometimes they like,but they just want a different thing out of it. To use a bad analogy,when I go to mcdonalds I'm fine with the big mac but when I go to steak n shake..I want the steak. It sometimes comes off as an immitation of the mcmahon style and people want something different. I like tna,and at times i've loved tna,but i've never seen them do a promo heavy show as good as some of mcmahons. This show was a perfect example of everything that they think is wrong with tnas approach and how they yearn for something different. It also came off of a hot angle,and arguably one of the biggest turns in the history of the promotion for them..so it doubly angered people.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 25, 2011 4:47:31 GMT -5
At the point where there's over an hour without wrestling on a two hour show, there is no defending it whatsoever. I recall big promo shows on RAW during the Attitude Era every once in a while as well. So long as it's not a regular occurrence, I simply don't see the big deal people make it out to be. just because one show does something negative, it doesn't excuse another show from doing the same thing.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Feb 25, 2011 5:06:30 GMT -5
How long did "Rock, This Is Your Life" last? Cuz that segment was great.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 25, 2011 5:11:56 GMT -5
How long did "Rock, This Is Your Life" last? Cuz that segment was great. 20, 25 minutes. I don't remember exactly.
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Post by TripleMerc on Feb 25, 2011 6:36:16 GMT -5
How long did "Rock, This Is Your Life" last? Cuz that segment was great. But that segment was - at least to me and many others - very entertaining. Immortal cutting... a heel promo.... well, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 6:50:37 GMT -5
It was an episode that had more promo time than wrestling time. Per the standard approach of making mountains out of molehills, some people acted like it was some sort of atrocity that glorified survival. The rating of the show was 1.41. Dude if you're going to talk about the ratings of the show I highly suggest you look at the quarter hours. 1.53 1.52 1.41 1.42 1.43 1.35 1.37 1.23 Seriously, that's the ratings equivalent of Bart's test score flipbook that Marge made on the Simpsons (the one episode that Lisa fears she'll lose her intelligence, per the rest of the Simpsons, as she gets older). I'm surprised there wasn't an angry scowl inserted around the 1.35 mark
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 14:51:50 GMT -5
10/14/10 was a great example of killing momentum.
TNA had it coming off the THEY storyline, but murderized it shortly thereafter.
Now its just a big joke amongst wrestling fans.
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Post by bob on Feb 25, 2011 15:21:59 GMT -5
also it killed months of storyline with Hogan and Flair feuding
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