I have a few TNA questions (long)

[dlg3000]

1. Why do some people say that Dixie is being conned or used by Hogan and Bischoff? It makes Dixie look rather clueless, which is not good.

2. I know about the Isis story as we all do. But I have another question about "larger" women. Will Isis be there as "another" Kong and was Kong fired or did she leave?

3. Will TNA ever pass 2.0 in the ratings in the United States, and if not, what can be done to ensure that it will get that rating? In other words, the current ratings aren't too bad considering they have to go up against CSI, Grey's Anatomy, American Idol, and The Office, which is watched by at least 1/3 of the country.

Then you have HDnet, Digital Cable, and other cable networks to compete with which may have similar ratings. Then you have people who watch "tv" online such as justin.tv and justtvnuts.com, which Nielsen do not track.

Then there are international ratings that are tracked, yet many fans in the US do not bother to comment on that because "TNA sucks", even though many people on justin.tv still watch it. (Why don't they watch Grey's Anatomy or CSI then if TNA is so bad?)

4. I have another question about ratings. If TNA is so bad, then why does the WWE have, on average, only 3 times the rating that TNA does despite the WWE's many shows, more taxing schedule, being an older, established company in which there are stars like Rey Mysterio, John Cena, and Randy Orton? Not to mention they have Wrestlemania, the biggest ppv in wrestling.

5. Will more fans ever TNA a chance instead making it the in-thing to hate it just because it isn't the WWE?

6. Will some fans STILL complain, in your opinion, about TNA being so bad even if their booking and promoting their product improves? I ask this it seems like some people will never be satisfied. It is as if d****ed if you do, d****ed if you don't.

[Red Impact]

1: I don't think a lot of people really have a high opinion on Dixie's ability to run the company, and hiring Hogan caused him to bring in a lot of his friends with a lot of added pay, and ultimately they didn't do anything of any impact in the ratings. So I think people assume that Hogan and Bischoff are in it for themselves and Dixie hasn't figured it out.

2: I think she left? I can't say for sure, she didn't stay around long after the Bubba incident. And I think they'll probably book Isis similar to how they booked Kong.

3: Maybe, but not really any time soon. TNA is niche programming on a cable channel. WWE only pulls between 3 and 4 now, and I'd wager most WWE of the non IWC internet fans don't really pay attention or care about TNA at all. They have a core audience in the 1.1 to 1.3 range and they seem to be maintaining that rather than growing it on any consistent level.

I also don't think those shows get a 33 rating.

4: Wrestling is a niche product now, and the TV landscape has changed drastically. While there may be more of an audience out there, we wont' see attitude era ratings again. Although I'd argue that having much more programming isn't going to help their ratings.

5 and 6: Haters gonna hate. They gonna hate no matter what happens. Any time you have a group of people, you'll have those that blindly hate it, blindly love it, and every level in between. b

[dlg3000]

I didn't mean that they get a 33 rating. I meant that at least 1 out of 3 tv watchers in America watch these shows, maybe more. BTW, thanks.

[Red Impact]

Well, that's teh thing, if one out of the three really watched them (live at least) then the ratings system would likely reflect that.

[Welfare Willis]

Feb 27, 2011 19:40:50 GMT -5 dlg3000 said:

5. Will more fans ever TNA a chance instead making it the in-thing to hate it just because it isn't the WWE?

6. Will some fans STILL complain, in your opinion, about TNA being so bad even if their booking and promoting their product improves? I ask this it seems like some people will never be satisfied. It is as if d****ed if you do, d****ed if you don't.

5) Here's the thing: the people here aren't knocking TNA's product because it isn't the WWE. They're knocking the product because it tries to hard to be the WWE: the 3/3/11 promo this week, hiring WWE cast offs, etc. TNA will never beat the WWE at their game. WWE is too big and has too much market share.

It's a shame because about a 1 or 2 years ago TNA was getting better in some regards because, IMO, they were showcasing their strengths: the X divison and the knockouts. However, Hogan and Bischoff just stalled that progress. We've seen the results of that experiment. Now most of Hogan's cronies are gone and the move to monday night failed. Dixie has to realize that impact is going to be stuck in 0.9 - 1.2 land for a while and no celebrity or former WWE star is going to make them a threat to the WWE Empire. Also she needs a viable long term plan. Dixie has to remember she's going up against a guy who eats, breathes, sleeps, and $(#@s wrestling.


6) You're right about the damn if you do and damn if you don't. A small segment of fans will always complain. The truth is Dixie doesn't need to give a damn about us if what she was doing was making her business successful. Just like when some fans say Metallica sold out. Maybe Metallica did sell out, but they're too busy living in their mansions to give a &^*!.

The problem is TNA isn't very successful if you see the ratings and the rumors about their ppv numbers are correct. Dixie for all her successes and failures is still a businesswoman. Professional wrestling is a different kind of animal then most businesses and you really need someone with the heritage and vision like a Vince McMahon to make it successful.

[dlg3000]

Thanks to your inputs. I really appreciate them. Anyone else?

[MrBRulzOK]

Feb 27, 2011 19:40:50 GMT -5 dlg3000 said:

1. Why do some people say that Dixie is being conned or used by Hogan and Bischoff? It makes Dixie look rather clueless, which is not good.

2. I know about the Isis story as we all do. But I have another question about "larger" women. Will Isis be there as "another" Kong and was Kong fired or did she leave?

3. Will TNA ever pass 2.0 in the ratings in the United States, and if not, what can be done to ensure that it will get that rating? In other words, the current ratings aren't too bad considering they have to go up against CSI, Grey's Anatomy, American Idol, and The Office, which is watched by at least 1/3 of the country.

Then you have HDnet, Digital Cable, and other cable networks to compete with which may have similar ratings. Then you have people who watch "tv" online such as justin.tv and justtvnuts.com, which Nielsen do not track.

Then there are international ratings that are tracked, yet many fans in the US do not bother to comment on that because "TNA sucks", even though many people on justin.tv still watch it. (Why don't they watch Grey's Anatomy or CSI then if TNA is so bad?)

4. I have another question about ratings. If TNA is so bad, then why does the WWE have, on average, only 3 times the rating that TNA does despite the WWE's many shows, more taxing schedule, being an older, established company in which there are stars like Rey Mysterio, John Cena, and Randy Orton? Not to mention they have Wrestlemania, the biggest ppv in wrestling.

5. Will more fans ever TNA a chance instead making it the in-thing to hate it just because it isn't the WWE?

6. Will some fans STILL complain, in your opinion, about TNA being so bad even if their booking and promoting their product improves? I ask this it seems like some people will never be satisfied. It is as if d****ed if you do, d****ed if you don't.

1. Well this is the same woman who invited a bunch of ECW guys to the Impact Zone, which resulted in tons of people being needlessly hurt in a brawl, without telling anybody beforehand, including her own road agents as well as the same woman who foolishly signed over the company to Bischoff when she was tricked into signing some bogus documents which she didn't even bother to read beforehand. So I'd say her character definitely could use a clue or two.

2. Kong was pretty much done in after the Bubba the Love Sponge incident where he badmouthed Haiti and pissed her off so that she attacked him backstage. I'm not sure if it was her decision or not though although I would believe either being the case given the circumstances. As for Isis, considering that she didn't even last as long as Teddy Hart did in the WWE along with reports I've heard that she's kind of immature, I kind of have my doubts that she'll be anything more than a poor woman's Kong at best.

3. Ratings only mean so much. A one week rating means nothing in grand scheme of things and TNA has shown no pattern of growth over the years. The highest it ever got was a show that was stacked with debuts from Jeff Hardy, Ric Flair, Eric Bischoff, The Band, and Hulk Hogan. And as proven later that year it meant nothing concerning getting fans to stick around.

As for if TNA will ever get to a 2.0... not with the current crew, they won't. Maybe if they make some major changes to how they do things...

4. Because WWE's buyrates are drastically higher than TNA's own, which is the goal of a good wrestling television show: to promote the upcoming pay per view and convince people to buy them. WWE is also currently turning a profit at the moment which as far as I know is not the case with TNA. They just might be, but until evidence comes out to support that then I stand by my opinion.

5. If TNA shows signs of improvement and starts turning things around then I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be interested in giving the company another try. Unfortunately that's the only way. Hiring ex WWE guys is not going to do it, Vince Russo is certainly not going to do it, Hulk Hogan himself isn't going to do it, and celebrity cameos aren't going to do the trick either.

Contrary to popular belief, alot of people do want TNA to succeed. They can't force themselves to like the product though in order to help with that.

6. Because as much as you talk about this improvement there are no clear signs to indicate any growth. Outside of a few popped tv ratings, house show attendance is nothing special and buyrates are pitiful at best. Add that to such stupid decisions as picking a guy who is facing drug charges as their World Champion and it really doesn't cast them as an up and coming promotion in my eyes.

[tamalesteve]

TNA iMPACT Ratings Yearly Averages:

2005 - 0.79
2006 - 0.89
2007 - 1.04
2008 - 1.06
2009 - 1.14
2010 - 1.06
2011 - 1.22

Just for anyone curious.

[alabastergrim]

I'll try to answer some but I think the above posters nailed them.

About Dixie, I don't think anyone has the right to say whether she's good or bad because we simply don't know. It also depends on your definition of good. You could say she's doing good because her company is alive or you could say she's bad because it's not growing the way some think it should, etc.

As for if it can ever pass 2.0, not any time soon I think. There's lots of reasons you can name for it but to me, a lot of it is lack of advertising. If you're not on the wrestling boards and spending your time on wrestling sites, I think there's a good chance you have no idea what TNA is IMO. I think there's fans who left wrestling a long time ago who might be interested in TNA but they would never find out about it. On top of that, and slightly related, back in January they had a house show here that I heard about ONE TIME on the radio, that was it. No other ads, if I didn't happen to be listening at that exact moment for that thirty second spot, I wouldn't have even known. PS-I didn't go because I FORGOT.

As for people hating TNA cause it's "cool", I agree with you to an extent but I think that can be said about anything that's ever existed. There's people who hate WWE unfairly, there's people who hate TNA unfairly, ROH, Cocoa Krispees, whatever you can name, there's people who haven't really given it a chance and hate on it and that will never change.