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Post by Orange on Sept 21, 2011 10:10:49 GMT -5
This video made me tear up a bit, it's sad that people have to hide in the closet anyway, but it takes a brave man (IMO) to come out at all.
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Post by VenomFang on Sept 21, 2011 10:27:51 GMT -5
Is he leaving the military ? If he's not it may have not been a smart thing to do to let the whole world know about this. Can't realisitcally expect all his fellow soldiers to be ok with knowing this information about him. Should have been done in private with his dad in person but todays "youtube" generation seems to have a different mindset.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2011 10:39:38 GMT -5
Filming it, especially since his dad couldn't have known he was filming it, was a bit of an odd decision; just for the fact that 1) he didn't know for sure how his dad was gonna react and 2) more importantly it was a private conversation.
That said, glad it went well for him, and I thought hid dad's reaction was really cool.
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Post by Orange on Sept 21, 2011 10:44:37 GMT -5
Is he leaving the military ? If he's not it may have not been a smart thing to do to let the whole world know about this. Can't realisitcally expect all his fellow soldiers to be ok with knowing this information about him. Should have been done in private with his dad in person but todays "youtube" generation seems to have a different mindset. He says in the video that everybody else knows, and he's got a video coming out to one of his friends. I see no problem in being open about it, and it's certainly nothing to leave the Military over. |
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Post by VenomFang on Sept 21, 2011 10:49:46 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 21, 2011 10:52:51 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now. If bigotry is always conceded to how can there ever be progress. That's like "man racist people don't like shared drinking fountains, so back off them already you non white people!" |
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Post by VenomFang on Sept 21, 2011 10:56:07 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now. If bigotry is always conceded to how can there ever be progress. That's like "man racist people don't like shared drinking fountains, so back off them already you non white people!" Well if he is fine with what he did then good for him but if I was gay I would not come out like he did. I would know that Im working in close quarters with ignorant rednecks (and theres a lot of them around) and I would be scared for my life because I would have no idea what they would do to me. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 21, 2011 10:58:22 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now. You could say the same thing about high school, an office, or society. Are you saying all gays should stay in the closet because some people might not like gays? What the hell man? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 21, 2011 10:59:51 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now. And since he did this, any retaliation would be very publicized. So if they would like to continue being in the military, they'll have to grow a thicker skin. |
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Post by Orange on Sept 21, 2011 11:00:23 GMT -5
Well you need to realize there are people out there in the military who won't be so compassionate, tolerate, and understanding and he will have to deal with those people now. You could say the same thing about high school, an office, or society. Are you saying all gays should stay in the closet because some people might not like gays? What the hell man? Seriously, totally agreed. I'm starting to regret that I posted this, between the suggestions that he should stay closeted and calling the majority of our soldiers rednecks, I should have thought twice  |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 21, 2011 11:02:48 GMT -5
You could say the same thing about high school, an office, or society. Are you saying all gays should stay in the closet because some people might not like gays? What the hell man? Seriously, totally agreed. I'm starting to regret that I posted this, between the suggestions that he should stay closeted and calling the majority of our soldiers rednecks, I should have thought twice I, for one, am glad you shared it. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 21, 2011 11:03:45 GMT -5
On the subject of the actual video, I saw it yesterday and was like "Holy s***. That's awesome"
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Post by VenomFang on Sept 21, 2011 11:09:51 GMT -5
You could say the same thing about high school, an office, or society. Are you saying all gays should stay in the closet because some people might not like gays? What the hell man? Seriously, totally agreed. I'm starting to regret that I posted this, between the suggestions that he should stay closeted and calling the majority of our soldiers rednecks, I should have thought twice Look man I didnt say he should stay in the closet but Im saying he should be prepared for all the other stuff that can come with doing what he did. I didnt say the majority of soldiers are 'rednecks" but youre a fool if you dont believe that there are soldiers out there who are that way. I dont know how many but a lot of people in the military come from poor/uneducated backgrounds so you do the math. If you wanna think the military is some happy utopia filled with rainbows where everyone is tolerant and loves one another for who they are then be my guest. I'm worried about this poor guy and what could happen to him but if he feels safe then so be it. |
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Post by Orange on Sept 21, 2011 11:17:34 GMT -5
Seriously, totally agreed. I'm starting to regret that I posted this, between the suggestions that he should stay closeted and calling the majority of our soldiers rednecks, I should have thought twice Look man I didnt say he should stay in the closet but Im saying he should be prepared for all the other stuff that can come with doing what he did. I didnt say the majority of soldiers are 'rednecks" but youre a fool if you dont believe that there are soldiers out there who are that way. I dont know how many but a lot of people in the military come from poor/uneducated backgrounds so you do the math. If you wanna think the military is some happy utopia filled with rainbows where everyone is tolerant and loves one another for who they are then be my guest. I'm worried about this poor guy and what could happen to him but if he feels safe then so be it. Obviously I don't think that, intolerance is everywhere and I guarantee it exists in the military as well. I'm happy that the guy feels comfortable enough to come out, and if somebody wants to try something no doubt it'll be highly publicized; so a wise person would think twice before letting their bigotry get in the way. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 21, 2011 11:28:56 GMT -5
Very brave, and well done to the dad for his reaction.
Beautiful.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 21, 2011 12:34:45 GMT -5
Seriously, totally agreed. I'm starting to regret that I posted this, between the suggestions that he should stay closeted and calling the majority of our soldiers rednecks, I should have thought twice Look man I didnt say he should stay in the closet but Im saying he should be prepared for all the other stuff that can come with doing what he did. I didnt say the majority of soldiers are 'rednecks" but youre a fool if you dont believe that there are soldiers out there who are that way. I dont know how many but a lot of people in the military come from poor/uneducated backgrounds so you do the math. If you wanna think the military is some happy utopia filled with rainbows where everyone is tolerant and loves one another for who they are then be my guest. I'm worried about this poor guy and what could happen to him but if he feels safe then so be it. If his fellow soldiers don't like it, they're going to have to be the ones who look for something new to do, given the new rules. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 21, 2011 12:39:56 GMT -5
Look man I didnt say he should stay in the closet but Im saying he should be prepared for all the other stuff that can come with doing what he did. I didnt say the majority of soldiers are 'rednecks" but youre a fool if you dont believe that there are soldiers out there who are that way. I dont know how many but a lot of people in the military come from poor/uneducated backgrounds so you do the math. If you wanna think the military is some happy utopia filled with rainbows where everyone is tolerant and loves one another for who they are then be my guest. I'm worried about this poor guy and what could happen to him but if he feels safe then so be it. If his fellow soldiers don't like it, they're going to have to be the ones who look for something new to do, given the new rules. Exactly. |
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Post by bob on Sept 21, 2011 12:53:08 GMT -5
I caught this on the Daily Show last night, very touching stuff
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Post by Cyno on Sept 21, 2011 12:58:40 GMT -5
I was touched by that. Really heartwarming display between a father and a son who was finally able to be honest about who he is without having to sacrifice service to his country.
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Post by Cela on Sept 21, 2011 13:08:57 GMT -5
I have never gotten why sexual preference should be in any way important to a military, especially in today's non rape and pillage mindset.
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