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Post by Hugh Mungus on Feb 13, 2012 1:00:35 GMT -5
Where is that overused Joker pic when you need it? You mean this pic? And to the OP:
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 13, 2012 1:00:53 GMT -5
Just think about this, even during the "reign of terror" Triple H was still one of the most popular superstars in the company and to this day no matter how much the internet bashes him, he continues to be loudly cheered and respected in all the "smark cities". CM Punk at his hottest still couldn't out pop Triple H. He says something you disagree with, so of course he's trolling. That "everybody else is wrong" logic is just completely and utterly ridiculous. That is just something I never understood, and really don't care to.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 13, 2012 1:01:26 GMT -5
...continued to unselfishly help build stars... Jeff Hardy and John Cena both beat him clean. If he has this veto power everyone accuses him of, then he must have been fine doing this. He either agreed to it, or he otherwise doesn't get to pick when he wins and when he doesn't. You don't get to have both.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 13, 2012 1:03:46 GMT -5
He says something you disagree with, so of course he's trolling. That "everybody else is wrong" logic is just completely and utterly ridiculous. That is just something I never understood, and really don't care to. The subject of this thread had nothing to do with CM Punk, yet he shoehorned the references in. He knew it would raise ire and gleefully did it. That = trolling.
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Post by The Papers on Feb 13, 2012 1:06:14 GMT -5
THIS BUSINESS
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Post by moneyman20 on Feb 13, 2012 1:06:20 GMT -5
Who here has said anything about veto power? Anyways, I'm partial to Naked Mideon.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 13, 2012 1:16:21 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy and John Cena both beat him clean. If he has this veto power everyone accuses him of, then he must have been fine doing this. He either agreed to it, or he otherwise doesn't get to pick when he wins and when he doesn't. You don't get to have both. Yeh,but he didnt build then,did he?He lost when they were already stabilished. Beside,the Jeff Hardy victory..wasnt exatcly clean.Triple H was still the better man of the whole feud.The John Cena one i cant remember,so i will take your word
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Feb 13, 2012 1:25:36 GMT -5
Mr. McMahon is the most important.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 13, 2012 1:29:34 GMT -5
Obviously, as we all know, he never EVER built stars*.
By which I mean to say, apparently Batista and Sheamus were built by the Tooth Fairy, and Chris Benoit was completely berried.
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Post by salTy on Feb 13, 2012 1:30:38 GMT -5
A lot of people may disagree... "I'm really happy for you. I'm'a let you finish, but The Godfather was the greatest Attitude era star of all time!"
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 13, 2012 1:34:33 GMT -5
Your premise is laughable. Anyone could've been put in HHH's spot. He's a franchise guy, sure, but he married the bosses daughter. Of course he's going to stick around.
Without Austin there is no Attitude era. He became the hottest thing in wrestling because of his talent. If HHH was the star the company got behind in 97-98 you think he woud've put WCW out of business?
Austin, Rock, Foley got over due to their talent. HHH didn't get over until he became HBK's running buddy, then with Chyna as a sidekick, then with DX, then with Steph, then with being put into every major storyline. It took the effort of several people to get and keep him over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 13, 2012 1:38:33 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy and John Cena both beat him clean. If he has this veto power everyone accuses him of, then he must have been fine doing this. He either agreed to it, or he otherwise doesn't get to pick when he wins and when he doesn't. You don't get to have both. Yeh,but he didnt build then,did he?He lost when they were already stabilished. Beside,the Jeff Hardy victory..wasnt exatcly clean.Triple H was still the better man of the whole feud.The John Cena one i cant remember,so i will take your word John Cena was still very new to the top, so while it wasn't a mismatch, it certainly gave him credibility to tap Triple H. Jeff Hardy, while over, was really not established as a main eventer yet. Prior to this, the closest he had come to a major league singles moment was the ladder match with Undertaker, which he has lost. This was after his midcard feud with Johnny Nitro, if I am remembering right, so it was definitely a step up.
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Post by Toxik916 on Feb 13, 2012 1:39:12 GMT -5
At every live event I've been to HHH always gets one if the best pops of the night. The amount of hate he gets here is insane, he's one of the best wrestlers of all time!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 13, 2012 1:45:57 GMT -5
Austin, Rock, Foley got over due to their talent. HHH didn't get over until he became HBK's running buddy, then with Chyna as a sidekick, then with DX, then with Steph, then with being put into every major storyline. It took the effort of several people to get and keep him over. Austin needed Hart, McMahon, Shawn and Taker Rock needed Austin, Foley and Hunter Foley needed Rock, Austin, Vince, Taker and Kane Hart needed Flair and HBK HBK needed Hart and Diesel In short everyone needed multiple people and talent to help them get over and stay there. To condemn Triple H for that is just silly.
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Post by Manute Bol on Feb 13, 2012 1:46:37 GMT -5
The fact that he never left and continued to unselfishly help build stars only makes his star shine brighter. I was willing to hear your argument out until this line. In an era that saw Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Vince McMahon, Mick Foley and The Undertaker all at the peaks of their careers, you're going to try to convince us that Triple H was the star? Triple H didn't become THE star until 2002 and he did so at the expense of Chris Jericho, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Bill Goldberg, Shelton Benjamin, Eugene and plenty of others.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 13, 2012 1:46:48 GMT -5
The fact that he never left and continued to unselfishly help build stars only makes his star shine brighter. The list of people he either made or laid the foundation for extends from The Rock all the way down to Sheamus. I'm not quite sure how he laid the foundation for the Rock considering both of their stars rose at the same time. As far as him never leaving...how could he? I mean, his penis is attached to one of WWE's top executives. He either has to be surgically removed or she'll have to leave first.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 13, 2012 1:51:18 GMT -5
The fact that he never left and continued to unselfishly help build stars only makes his star shine brighter. I was willing to hear your argument out until this line. In an era that saw Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Vince McMahon, Mick Foley and The Undertaker all at the peaks of their careers, you're going to try to convince us that Triple H was the star? Triple H didn't become THE star until 2002 and he did so at the expense of Chris Jericho, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Bill Goldberg, Shelton Benjamin, Eugene and plenty of others. At the expense of Steiner who was a physical wreck that couldn't do shit, Goldberg who Trips either lost to or only beat thanks to using a sledgehammer, Shelton who Trips lost to 900 times, and Eugene who despite being a comedy gimmick, he put over like crazy and only finally beat thanks to some screwy stuff happening? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 1:54:49 GMT -5
Eh, I'd say Austin.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 13, 2012 1:54:59 GMT -5
Austin, Rock, Foley got over due to their talent. HHH didn't get over until he became HBK's running buddy, then with Chyna as a sidekick, then with DX, then with Steph, then with being put into every major storyline. It took the effort of several people to get and keep him over. Austin needed Hart, McMahon, Shawn and Taker Rock needed Austin, Foley and Hunter Foley needed Rock, Austin, Vince, Taker and Kane Hart needed Flair and HBK HBK needed Hart and Diesel In short everyone needed multiple people and talent to help them get over and stay there. To condemn Triple H for that is just silly. Those guys didn't "need" any of them. Hart and HBK got over with their wrestling styles, Foley, Rock and Austin got over with their promos and characters. Obviously they need opponents but I don't see how you think they helped them get over. Having chemsitry with someone will result in good matches, but that's a small part of getting over. Can you honestly say HHH got over with his wrestling style? His promos? What was it if not for his association with other talents? Ones that literally walked him out to the ring?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 13, 2012 1:56:28 GMT -5
I was willing to hear your argument out until this line. In an era that saw Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Vince McMahon, Mick Foley and The Undertaker all at the peaks of their careers, you're going to try to convince us that Triple H was the star? Triple H didn't become THE star until 2002 and he did so at the expense of Chris Jericho, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Bill Goldberg, Shelton Benjamin, Eugene and plenty of others. At the expense of Steiner who was a physical wreck that couldn't do s***, Goldberg who Trips either lost to or only beat thanks to using a sledgehammer, Shelton who Trips lost to 900 times, and Eugene who despite being a comedy gimmick, he put over like crazy and only finally beat thanks to some screwy stuff happening? Really? And Booker T only lost because they were bringing in Goldberg and they wanted to do HHH/Goldberg. To come by it honest, during the entire "Reign of Terror", Chris Jericho and maybe Randy Orton were the only legitimate burials.
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