Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 1, 2011 21:30:23 GMT -5
Yup, I said it.
Ryder excels as an internet personality, which is why he's the self-proclaimed "Internet Champion". Small doses of him on WWE TV is good, because it keeps his name out there while he focuses on his web show. His web show is hands down the best thing going for him. Too much exposure on WWE TV would hinder the appeal of his web show. Him constantly being on Superstars makes sense since it's strictly an internet show.
So while I do love Ryder and wish him the best, I like that he's not heavily featured in storylines or feuds for titles. I like that he shows up on Smackdown sometimes as Teddy's assistant (or whatever he does there) and that's it.
He's an internet personality, that's his niche, and I hope it stays that way for as long as Z!TLIS is entertaining and successful.
Just my 2 cents. I hope I made some sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 21:35:11 GMT -5
Honestly, if it meant he got an actual push I'd happily see Ryder's gimmick dropped - the guy's too good of a worker to use in squash matches I think. I don't even like Z: True Long Island Story, just the man himself and his ECW work. I do like the gimmick, but I could live without it.
I miss the tights, though.
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 1, 2011 23:18:35 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Ryder's videos, but I'm pretty good with where he's at right now as well. I feel like a lot of the love he gets is that ironic love. Like when a hipster rocks a handlebar mustache. Ryder is a goof...entertaining as hell....but still a goof. And I think that's his appeal...he's so silly and goofy and over the top, that it's entertaining in 3 minute YouTube videos.
He's a mid card guy at best, and I don't think anyone would buy into him up there at the level of say John Cena, CM Punk or The Undertaker.
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Post by mystikz on Sept 1, 2011 23:40:27 GMT -5
the whole point of this was to actually get him feature on tv so unfortunately his show is a failure.
has he and his friends been entertaining? yes
does WWE care? no
but he makes money for WWE they should care? Vince cares about money and Ryder is moving merchandise. still HHH and Vince just see him as a joke. he'll never go anywhere unfortunately. he's been endorsed by many but that means nothing it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 0:28:06 GMT -5
Fine with it. They could maybe do a little more with him on the main shows but not much. I think his act would get stale really fast if he was really featured regularly
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 2, 2011 3:16:46 GMT -5
He's on-track to getting released, if he's not eventually featured on Raw or Smackdown on a more regular basis. I'm sure his Youtube show won't be enough to get the bills paid. I'm sure he's not personally "just fine where he is" on a permanent basis.
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 2, 2011 3:29:49 GMT -5
He's on-track to getting released, if he's not eventually featured on Raw or Smackdown on a more regular basis. I'm sure his Youtube show won't be enough to get the bills paid. I'm sure he's not personally "just fine where he is" on a permanent basis. What makes you say this? I doubt he's even close to getting fired. He's a popular mid-level talent, it seems like all the boys like him, and he's a sufficient enhancement talent. The WWE doesn't like hiring jobbers anymore and prefer to have guys on their permanent roster to fill the jobber roles. Think along the lines of Scotty Too Hotty, Funaki, Hardcore Holly, etc. Wrestlers at this level are trusted by the rest of the roster to not injure them, and it means they don't have to constantly let local indie guys into their locker room. Plus these guys serve as "feelers", so to speak, of new talent called up to the roster. Zack Ryder seems to be filling this role and I'm sure management is happy that he's built himself a cult following while he does so. I don't know why you assume he's on track to getting released. |
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 2, 2011 4:12:22 GMT -5
He's on-track to getting released, if he's not eventually featured on Raw or Smackdown on a more regular basis. I'm sure his Youtube show won't be enough to get the bills paid. I'm sure he's not personally "just fine where he is" on a permanent basis. What makes you say this? I doubt he's even close to getting fired. He's a popular mid-level talent, it seems like all the boys like him, and he's a sufficient enhancement talent. The WWE doesn't like hiring jobbers anymore and prefer to have guys on their permanent roster to fill the jobber roles. Think along the lines of Scotty Too Hotty, Funaki, Hardcore Holly, etc. Wrestlers at this level are trusted by the rest of the roster to not injure them, and it means they don't have to constantly let local indie guys into their locker room. Plus these guys serve as "feelers", so to speak, of new talent called up to the roster. Zack Ryder seems to be filling this role and I'm sure management is happy that he's built himself a cult following while he does so. I don't know why you assume he's on track to getting released. I'm not saying that he's definitely about to be released, just that wrestlers pegged as "Superstars guys" seem to be expendable in WWE (like Chris Masters for example). Superstars is only watched by probably about 5% or less of WWE's regular audience, and if a wrestler wants to make a name for themself, it's not a great place to do it. |
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 2, 2011 4:29:56 GMT -5
"He's on track to getting released"
"I'm not saying that he's definitely about to be released"
I would assume he's fine, much more so than many other guys on the roster. Posting things like "so-and-so is about to be released" is why internet fans get such a bad rap. We know nothing about Zack Ryder's job security and could assume all we'd like. But let's not post ridiculous claims we know nothing about.
Also, I responded to your post clearly explaining why "Superstars guys" are essential and valued by the WWE. I don't know if you didn't fully read my reply or if I wasn't clear, but he has plenty of value to the WWE in his current position.
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Post by bathory on Sept 2, 2011 5:16:09 GMT -5
Ryder won't get released simply due to the fact that his merchandise sells very good , he got a new shirt and headband recently due to popular demand. He's basically turned into the John Cena of Superstars, he's THE undercard hero of WWE. He gets the company money while WWE doesn't even have to invest time for him for the main shows on a weekly basis.
And eventually, if he ever gets even anywhere near that level, he might get a push in the future if he goes overboard with the popularity like Jeff Hardy did.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 2, 2011 5:44:01 GMT -5
"He's on track to getting released" "I'm not saying that he's definitely about to be released" I would assume he's fine, much more so than many other guys on the roster. Posting things like "so-and-so is about to be released" is why internet fans get such a bad rap. We know nothing about Zack Ryder's job security and could assume all we'd like. But let's not post ridiculous claims we know nothing about. Also, I responded to your post clearly explaining why "Superstars guys" are essential and valued by the WWE. I don't know if you didn't fully read my reply or if I wasn't clear, but he has plenty of value to the WWE in his current position. I misspoke when I said he was "on track to getting released". I just meant that if he's pegged as exclusively a Superstars guy, then basically he's just a step above being a jobber and could be seen as more expendable than many others on the WWE roster. Very popular stars like Mickie James and Maria (who were arguably more over than Ryder) were released in just the last year or so. I'm not a huge fan of Zack's, but I don't want him to languish in mediocrity when he's clearly more talented than that. And I certainly don't want him to be released. It seems to me that the whole point of his Youtube videos has been to get more attention and eventually become a bigger player in WWE. It's almost like Steve Austin said on Tough Enough, (I'm paraphrasing) if your goal isn't to eventually be WWE Champion, then why bother even trying to be a WWE Superstar? |
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Post by HBL on Sept 2, 2011 11:03:18 GMT -5
Ryder won't get released simply due to the fact that his merchandise sells very good , he got a new shirt and headband recently due to popular demand. He's basically turned into the John Cena of Superstars, he's THE undercard hero of WWE. He gets the company money while WWE doesn't even have to invest time for him for the main shows on a weekly basis. And eventually, if he ever gets even anywhere near that level, he might get a push in the future if he goes overboard with the popularity like Jeff Hardy did. Yes.Just by his merchandise sales you can say that he's far from being released.Even if his stuff wasn't selling,he'd still be great. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 2, 2011 12:08:25 GMT -5
Ryder won't get released simply due to the fact that his merchandise sells very good , he got a new shirt and headband recently due to popular demand. He's basically turned into the John Cena of Superstars, he's THE undercard hero of WWE. He gets the company money while WWE doesn't even have to invest time for him for the main shows on a weekly basis. Exactly. He gets to show up on the main shows here and there so he's not "never used", he doesn't have to worry about any form of backlash from overexposure, he gets to be himself and have fun on his popular web show, AND he's making WWE some money in the process. He's fine right where he is. |
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Sept 2, 2011 12:44:04 GMT -5
Ryder is the king of Superstars right now. He's to Superstars what Orton is to Smackdown and Cena is to Raw. He's even getting the "underdog that always wins" treatment now. With the added benefit that Striker is better than Cole.
[Before the match]
Matt Striker:"Ryder is outclasses. Ryder doesn't belong in the WWE!"
[Ryder beats Kidd]
Matt Striker:"HE BEAT THE ODDS! I HAVE TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG. HE REALLY DOES BELONG HERE!"
This is his second match in a row that he gets the Cena treatment. Last one was vs Drew where he also got the "HE'S OUTCLASSED" treatment until "LONG ISLAND ICED Z GRABS A VICTORY!"
I mean, being the almighty king of the jobbers isn't much, but it's still enough to retain your job.
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