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Post by probable on Sept 6, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -5
I love Bill Goldberg, I think he's awesome, and one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time.
His WWE career kind of went as follows:
Announcement made live at Wrestlemania 19 - the live crowd popped out the Goldbeg chant.
Debut on Raw taking out the Rock in a memorable segment.
First WWE match, winning clean against Rock.
Made slightly foolish by being made to wear Goldust wig in a backstage segment, which did seem petty and odd. Those folk just love testing people right?
Won a cool little feud against Jericho.
Was over like Rover at Summerslam 03. Apparantly HHH did not want to lose at the match due to the fact he wasn't 100% (That was the original advertised 1 on 1 match) so he lost the belt to Goldberg the next month at Unforgiven.
Beat the Game again at Survivor Series.
Started a memorable and well built feud against Brock, which culimnated in a rotten match at Wrestlemania - but still went over on his way out.
So all in all, it was a good year for Goldberg on TV, and he was treated as a big star, and face of Raw.
Why did he hate his time in WWE so much?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 12:08:19 GMT -5
Because Goldberg spent much of his WCW run as a no-nonsense, stone-faced guy who went in and destroyed his foes.
Early on, the WWE had Goldust put his wig on him. And Goldberg won the belt too late for people to care (Survivor Series, instead of SummerSlam, which he should've gotten it). And, for that wig thing, Goldberg admits that it just wasn't what his character should've been.
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Post by donny on Sept 6, 2011 12:12:37 GMT -5
I love Bill Goldberg, I think he's awesome, and one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. His WWE career kind of went as follows: Announcement made live at Wrestlemania 19 - the live crowd popped out the Goldbeg chant. Debut on Raw taking out the Rock in a memorable segment. First WWE match, winning clean against Rock. Made slightly foolish by being made to wear Goldust wig in a backstage segment, which did seem petty and odd. Those folk just love testing people right? Won a cool little feud against Jericho. Was over like Rover at Summerslam 03. Apparantly HHH did not want to lose at the match due to the fact he wasn't 100% (That was the original advertised 1 on 1 match) so he lost the belt to Goldberg the next month at Unforgiven. Beat the Game again at Survivor Series. Started a memorable and well built feud against Brock, which culimnated in a rotten match at Wrestlemania - but still went over on his way out. So all in all, it was a good year for Goldberg on TV, and he was treated as a big star, and face of Raw. Why did he hate his time in WWE so much? Because anything other than feeding Goldberg 176 jobbers in 2 minute squashes is detrimental to his ego. |
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Post by thecrocksays on Sept 6, 2011 12:29:28 GMT -5
He was never going to last long. They put him on Raw, which meant he was going to be in the same locker room as HHH every week. That's strike one. He was booked strong in the ring, but was often run down on the mic (Rock, Jericho, HHH all made him look bad in their promos). Strike two. They couldn't get him to resign, had him put over Evolution, and then were going to job him out to Lesnar at Wrestlemania, all within a three month period. Strike three.
Him and Lesnar were similar in many ways. I always thought it was appropriate they went out against each other.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 13:19:53 GMT -5
I enjoyed his WWE run and I never understood people getting up in arms over Goldust putting a wig on him for 5 seconds.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 13:28:42 GMT -5
I enjoyed his WWE run and I never understood people getting up in arms over Goldust putting a wig on him for 5 seconds. Same. Goldberg was booked to look awesome in WWE. I mean seriously, for a guy that was a WCW creation he was booked amazingly. Went over Rock, Jericho, HHH, and Brock and won the WHC in his year that he was there. It's unthinkable to imagine that WWE would give an "outsider" that same type of treatment these days, and I think a lot of that has to do with the way that Goldberg acted like such a bitch at the end. |
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 6, 2011 13:34:52 GMT -5
I enjoyed his WWE run and I never understood people getting up in arms over Goldust putting a wig on him for 5 seconds. Same. Goldberg was booked to look awesome in WWE. I mean seriously, for a guy that was a WCW creation he was booked amazingly. Went over Rock, Jericho, HHH, and Brock and won the WHC in his year that he was there. It's unthinkable to imagine that WWE would give an "outsider" that same type of treatment these days, and I think a lot of that has to do with the way that Goldberg acted like such a bitch at the end. 1. Went over Rock, after Rock was allowed to punk him out and made him look like a joke during the buildup. 2. Same with Jericho. 3. Only after HHH beat him with one sledgehammer shot in the Elimination Chamber after Goldberg dominated the match. 4. By the time he won the title, nobody gave a f*** about him because HHH had come out on top so many times. And in a match with a stipulation that all but screamed "GOLDBERG WINS!" 5. Yeah, he beat Brock in front of a bitchy crowd in a s***** match. The expectations were high and they didn't meet them. That's why it was a failure. |
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Post by donny on Sept 6, 2011 13:41:27 GMT -5
Same. Goldberg was booked to look awesome in WWE. I mean seriously, for a guy that was a WCW creation he was booked amazingly. Went over Rock, Jericho, HHH, and Brock and won the WHC in his year that he was there. It's unthinkable to imagine that WWE would give an "outsider" that same type of treatment these days, and I think a lot of that has to do with the way that Goldberg acted like such a bitch at the end. 1. Went over Rock, after Rock was allowed to punk him out and made him look like a joke during the buildup. 2. Same with Jericho. 3. Only after HHH beat him with one sledgehammer shot in the Elimination Chamber after Goldberg dominated the match. 4. By the time he won the title, nobody gave a f*** about him because HHH had come out on top so many times. And in a match with a stipulation that all but screamed "GOLDBERG WINS!" 5. Yeah, he beat Brock in front of a bitchy crowd in a s***** match. The expectations were high and they didn't meet them. That's why it was a failure. So..... Goldberg should have dominated each and everyone of his feuds with absolutely no one being allowed to get any sort of heat off of him. Riiiiiiiiight.........  |
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 6, 2011 13:45:23 GMT -5
1. Went over Rock, after Rock was allowed to punk him out and made him look like a joke during the buildup. 2. Same with Jericho. 3. Only after HHH beat him with one sledgehammer shot in the Elimination Chamber after Goldberg dominated the match. 4. By the time he won the title, nobody gave a f*** about him because HHH had come out on top so many times. And in a match with a stipulation that all but screamed "GOLDBERG WINS!" 5. Yeah, he beat Brock in front of a bitchy crowd in a s***** match. The expectations were high and they didn't meet them. That's why it was a failure. So..... Goldberg should have dominated each and everyone of his feuds with absolutely no one being allowed to get any sort of heat off of him. Riiiiiiiiight......... No, but he should have been allowed to at least get a one-up on HHH when it mattered most and it didn't happen. |
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Post by Chestnutrice on Sept 6, 2011 14:05:47 GMT -5
Nobody is saying that, Goldberg just didn't go over people when it mattered most, and lost a lot of support because of that.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 14:15:30 GMT -5
He also had a shitty attitude, which carried over into underwhelming performances.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 14:19:22 GMT -5
Same. Goldberg was booked to look awesome in WWE. I mean seriously, for a guy that was a WCW creation he was booked amazingly. Went over Rock, Jericho, HHH, and Brock and won the WHC in his year that he was there. It's unthinkable to imagine that WWE would give an "outsider" that same type of treatment these days, and I think a lot of that has to do with the way that Goldberg acted like such a bitch at the end. 1. Went over Rock, after Rock was allowed to punk him out and made him look like a joke during the buildup. 2. Same with Jericho. 3. Only after HHH beat him with one sledgehammer shot in the Elimination Chamber after Goldberg dominated the match. 4. By the time he won the title, nobody gave a f*** about him because HHH had come out on top so many times. And in a match with a stipulation that all but screamed "GOLDBERG WINS!" 5. Yeah, he beat Brock in front of a bitchy crowd in a s***** match. The expectations were high and they didn't meet them. That's why it was a failure. I disagree. The Rock did what he always did. Why should he have treated Goldberg any different during his promos? Goldberg kicked his ass on his debut night, then beat him clean in his first WWE match. I don't see how Jericho made him look like a joke at all. I think the feud with Jericho was Goldberg's best stuff in WWE. It wasn't as good as the Jericho/Goldberg feud in WCW could have been, but it was good stuff and Goldberg went over clean in their only match. As far as HHH, yes I agree that Goldberg should have won the Elimination Chamber match but really, WWE is never perfect with their booking. It wasn't like HHH buried him either, the finish was actually kind of clever and didn't make Goldberg look bad, it just hurt the overall angle. He still got the belt in the end and the angle was still enjoyable for the most part. And I don't see how Goldberg could have any complaints about the thing with Brock. The build to that match was phenomenal. It was his last match and he got to go out on top, against one of the kayfabe best in WWE history. The fact that the match was shit is their own damn fault. Besides, if they had actually done some work in that match then maybe the crowd wouldn't have been so hostile. What were they supposed to do while Goldberg and Lesnar just played around in the ring for the first 5 minutes? |
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Post by molson5 on Sept 6, 2011 14:24:20 GMT -5
If a guy's character can't survive wearing a wig for 3 seconds he's a worthless hack.
And I wouldn't go that far with Goldberg (because his character did easily "survive" that), but that's kind an exaggerated version of the problems with his character. If a guy has to destroy everyone without showing weakness for two years for the character to work, then the character just isn't worth much at all.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 6, 2011 14:30:11 GMT -5
I guess some people felt that after Triple H's 232093203 month title reign, someone who wasn't as established as Goldberg should have taken the title off of him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 14:31:21 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I'd mark for one more Goldberg run.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 14:31:31 GMT -5
If a guy's character can't survive wearing a wig for 3 seconds he's a worthless hack. And I wouldn't go that far with Goldberg (because his character did easily "survive" that), but that's kind an exaggerated version of the problems with his character. If a guy has to destroy everyone without showing weakness for two years for the character to work, then the character just isn't worth much at all. The thing about Goldberg is he never really had a character to begin with. He was just a big ex-football player that kicked everybody's ass. There was absolutely no creativity there at all, and as soon as WCW tried to get creative with him he started floundering horribly. Granted, WCW's idea of "creativity" was pretty god-awful, but still. WWE at least tried to make him more than a 1 dimensional jobber crusher, and did a fairly good job IMO, but Goldberg just couldn't appreciate it. |
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 6, 2011 14:41:41 GMT -5
The whole wig thing has been greatly exaggerated over the years. It wasn't THAT big of a deal. The guy had a wig on for literally seconds, he took it off and said "don't EVER put that on my head again." Yeah it was a stupid segment, but it wasn't the downfall of Goldberg like folklore has made it out to be.
If anything, I blame Triple H. Goldberg should have won the Championship at SummerSlam, but this was during the peak of Triple H cutting guys' legs out from under them. By the time they finally pulled the trigger and gave him the belt, it was simply too late.
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Post by mystikz on Sept 6, 2011 14:46:20 GMT -5
Goldberg always came across as a guy having too big of an ego that only cared about the money and not the fans. he's lucky WCW built him the way he did. he had no skill or character other than short squash matches.
WWF/E you've always had to have more of a character to make it. they tried to make Goldberg more relate able and not just some snarling bald guy who wins short matches. I thought the stuff with Goldust was moving in the right direction.
I suppose he was unhappy he had to work harder, have longer matches and try to have a character without instantly being on top because of how WCW built him. to be honest I was never much of a fan.
he's no Cena or Rock or Austin. in the end he didn't have the wrestling skill, and he couldn't talk. a hero is a whole lot less interesting is THEY NEVER LOSE. sure we complain about Cena but he's been a whole lot better than Goldberg. NOBODY should go 170-0 or whatever the hell it is. Gillberg was much more entertaining.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 14:53:34 GMT -5
Goldberg always came across as a guy having too big of an ego that only cared about the money and not the fans. he's lucky WCW built him the way he did. he had no skill or character other than short squash matches. WWF/E you've always had to have more of a character to make it. they tried to make Goldberg more relate able and not just some snarling bald guy who wins short matches. I thought the stuff with Goldust was moving in the right direction. I suppose he was unhappy he had to work harder, have longer matches and try to have a character without instantly being on top because of how WCW built him. to be honest I was never much of a fan. he's no Cena or Rock or Austin. in the end he didn't have the wrestling skill, and he couldn't talk. a hero is a whole lot less interesting is THEY NEVER LOSE. sure we complain about Cena but he's been a whole lot better than Goldberg. NOBODY should go 170-0 or whatever the hell it is. Gillberg was much more entertaining. To be fair, his undefeated streak in WCW was amazing. He actually DID have some wrestling ability and he drew a lot of money. It's just that once the streak was broken people lost interest in him. It shows how weak of a character he really was. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 15:00:04 GMT -5
Without beating everybody Goldberg is nothing. He HAS to win to be interesting.
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